Guild Wars 2

Here is a link to an album, http://imgur.com/a/WLpUt – Draw your own conclusions, if you can’t I’ll help you along.

So here we have a hot join server which has a team of 8 necros. What comes to mind is something that John Peters said something along the lines of “If necros are OP why don’t we see teams of 5 necros.” Oh wait, did I just play a game against 8 necros? I’ll let you figure that one out. Are necros OP or are people simply playing a class which is presumed OP and they seem to synergise really well? Are the opposite team simply ~4x more skilled?

Well let’s take a look at the scores; I am top of my respective team. How did I manage that, well you can see from the scoreboard that I achieved this position by capturing points after the necros left them open. I thoroughly enjoyed this game it made me really think about positioning and has enhanced my knowledge of the game vastly. Oh wait it hasn’t. My team struggled to even down one of these necros, they acted as a pack and when one went down they spammed fears and general conditions and healed their teammates.

So it seems as a general guide to all new players looking to grind out some glory the most effective way is to make a necro and run 30,30,10. You have access to almost every condition in the game and you’re able to spam so many conditions on players that they are unable to cleanse them. This is the game which has been created from the June patch. It has made necros the best class to farm glory. Don’t even get me started on how bad the PvP rank system is and how badly we are rewarded compared to PvE. Especially considering how GW2 is supposedly trying to be a PvP Esport. I genuinely find it quite amusing when so little progress is made in PvP and when it is, it is hardly tested and takes a good month to push out.

-Adam

Ouch!

/15 char

i lol’d

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So it seems Leman led his team into a glorious hot-join victory!

Hail, hail, Leman and hail hot-joins!

Next time you do a image like that you need to show everyones rank at the end.

Hotjoin is notorious for team stacking, where all the good players stack on one team while the newbs are on the other team.

Without knowing the ranks you cant really say anything.

This img is perfect example.

uberkingkong.8041:

Next time you do a image like that you need to show everyones rank at the end.

Hotjoin is notorious for team stacking, where all the good players stack on one team while the newbs are on the other team.

Without knowing the ranks you cant really say anything.

This img is perfect example.

Read my post before posting. Cheers.

Here is a link to an album, http://imgur.com/a/WLpUt – Draw your own conclusions, if you can’t I’ll help you along.

The album has images from the start and end of the game with their respective ranks.

Thanks.

Adam.6047:

uberkingkong.8041:

Next time you do a image like that you need to show everyones rank at the end.

Hotjoin is notorious for team stacking, where all the good players stack on one team while the newbs are on the other team.

Without knowing the ranks you cant really say anything.

This img is perfect example.

Read my post before posting. Cheers.

Here is a link to an album, http://imgur.com/a/WLpUt – Draw your own conclusions, if you can’t I’ll help you along.

The album has images from the start and end of the game with their respective ranks.

Thanks.

I looked at that link, the last image doesn’t show everyones rank. Its very easy for any good player to play any class and dominate in a zerg like you describe while you backcap the zerg.

Has nothing to do with people playing necro, if they are good everyone could be playing warrior and dominate while in zerg with other good players against crappy players.

I manage to average out 500 points a game with glory booster just by playing hotjoins and joining the “right” team. Newplayers aren’t familiar with peoples names, if I join a game right now all I have to do is press B and see which team the hotjoin heroes are on and join that team every single game.

However your right in a way because people just aren’t safe in hotjoins. Brainless newbs will continue to join game without knowing why the rank 50s are always on the other team and continue to get farmed.

Check out this img as well. Somebody map chatted a couple times hes quitting if he keeps getting newbs on his team… litte does he know you can chose to be on the winning team. Its not rocket science to tell whose going to win.

Necros are the FOTM it’s natural to encounter a lot of ’em.

your team had 4 mesmers, are mesmers OP too?

lol blue team sucks!!!

uberkingkong.8041:

Adam.6047:

uberkingkong.8041:

Next time you do a image like that you need to show everyones rank at the end.

Hotjoin is notorious for team stacking, where all the good players stack on one team while the newbs are on the other team.

Without knowing the ranks you cant really say anything.

This img is perfect example.

Read my post before posting. Cheers.

Here is a link to an album, http://imgur.com/a/WLpUt – Draw your own conclusions, if you can’t I’ll help you along.

The album has images from the start and end of the game with their respective ranks.

Thanks.

I looked at that link, the last image doesn’t show everyones rank. Its very easy for any good player to play any class and dominate in a zerg like you describe while you backcap the zerg.

Has nothing to do with people playing necro, if they are good everyone could be playing warrior and dominate while in zerg with other good players against crappy players.

I manage to average out 500 points a game with glory booster just by playing hotjoins and joining the “right” team. Newplayers aren’t familiar with peoples names, if I join a game right now all I have to do is press B and see which team the hotjoin heroes are on and join that team every single game.

However your right in a way because people just aren’t safe in hotjoins. Brainless newbs will continue to join game without knowing why the rank 50s are always on the other team and continue to get farmed.

Check out this img as well. Somebody map chatted a couple times hes quitting if he keeps getting newbs on his team… litte does he know you can chose to be on the winning team. Its not rocket science to tell whose going to win.

I apologise I uploaded the incorrect image

I’m pretty sure, necromancer class will get nerf soon, way too many ppl lerned how to play after last patch.
Cheers Adam.

p.s comes from mesmer

Nobody is safe.

See that. Stacked team of good players.
It really doesn’t matter what profession they play a team stacked with good players will always dominate newbs.

Sure it maybe easier to do it with necromancer now because newbs have no idea how to counter that kind of necromancer.

The bigger problem is hotjoin is jut consisted of good players farming newbies for glory. Anet needs to do something about this.

uberkingkong.8041:

See that. Stacked team of good players.
It really doesn’t matter what profession they play a team stacked with good players will always dominate newbs.

Sure it maybe easier to do it with necromancer now because newbs have no idea how to counter that kind of necromancer.

The bigger problem is hotjoin is jut consisted of good players farming newbies for glory. Anet needs to do something about this.

It’s called hotjoin. Every player should be able to face eachother no matter what rank vs rank. If new players want to go against players of their own level they should do a ranked tournament match. ( I know this aint possible aswel since matchmaking is kittened up but normally it should be like this. I can’t help it that Anet screwed up lol )

A suggestion would be perhaps add certain rank limits to rooms. I used to play an FPS called WarRock where you needed certain levels or in this case ranks to enter a room. For exampe > 1-10 ( for the newbs ) and like +11, +21, +31 for higher players.

I wouldn’t mind adding rank limits to custom arena options actually. It would be very nice for the new players to have a few newbie friendly zones they could learn in.

That’s why I suggest newbies to play tpvp over hotjoins because right now hotjoins isn’t friendly towards newbies. You have more chance of having a team that can win in tpvp than hotjoin for a newbie because they don’t know any better to join the team with 5 rank 40+.

Another sad thing is that tpvp considers someone who never done a tpvp match in there life on the leaderboards. When they should be considered something like 20% or 0%.

uberkingkong.8041:

See that. Stacked team of good players.
It really doesn’t matter what profession they play a team stacked with good players will always dominate newbs.

Sure it maybe easier to do it with necromancer now because newbs have no idea how to counter that kind of necromancer.

The bigger problem is hotjoin is jut consisted of good players farming newbies for glory. Anet needs to do something about this.

That last statement is just pure ignorance. Let’s stop good players from playing hot-joins. Noo, push them into tPvP so we can face more rank 1s and rank 10s. Are you serious?

Unless Anet does something about rank points, you will never stop seeing high glory rank players in hot-join.

Oh and also, rank =/= skill.

they should remove the button where you can choose red or blue and make YOUR Team random like it was before. When wanna play in a team go customarena (could give customarena finaly some sense) or Tournament but dont farm new player in the ground on their first steps so they quit before they see whats going on.

I saw this sooo often – i even saw top teams farming randoms as a full team on spawn (The Morticans – i made screenshots) thats just lame and very bad for the game.

And classtacking in pvp games ALWAYS show which class is op atm – its a golden rule
and it is NOT ONLY necro – thats the new guy now but go and make 20-30 hotjoins in a row and you will see 5+ thiefs (saw matches like 8 thiefs vs 5 thiefs )per team or 3-4+ mesmers

Romek.4201:

they should remove the button where you can choose red or blue and make YOUR Team random like it was before. When wanna play in a team go customarena (could give customarena finaly some sense) or Tournament but dont farm new player in the ground on their first steps so they quit before they see whats going on.

I saw this sooo often – i even saw top teams farming randoms as a full team on spawn (The Morticans – i made screenshots) thats just lame and very bad for the game.

And classtacking in pvp games ALWAYS show which class is op atm – its a golden rule
and it is NOT ONLY necro – thats the new guy now but go and make 20-30 hotjoins in a row and you will see 5+ thiefs (saw matches like 8 thiefs vs 5 thiefs )per team or 3-4+ mesmers

I think that the classes people play, especially in hotjoins, aren’t exactly indicative of their OPness.

I think it’s more attributable to the fact that necros are both incredibly OP AND easy to play. Honestly necros are a pretty huge face roll ATM with very little difference between the top players and nubs. Good players can pick up a necro and compete in high level tourneys in under a day.

vicious.5683:

Necros are the FOTM it’s natural to encounter a lot of ’em.

your team had 4 mesmers, are mesmers OP too?

lol blue team sucks!!!

Mesmers have it pretty bad against conditions, before Necros became a powerhouse it was just trap rangers that did really well against them.

Sadly..this is not the first, the second..or even the 70th time I have seen this thread with attachments to back up the claims.

All I know is that of the guilds I have been part of..each consisting of 150+ members..both are now near empty.

The pvp waiting area that used to be full is now near empty most days.

And no matter how well I do in a match,..the reward I get is usually lesser than me opening a copper grade chest.

Sadly anet is only partly to blame for this. If people didnt act like douchbags and feel the need to roll the next op class and just played classes based on real interest, it wouldnt be such of a problem. So…in conclusion, its YOU the players who do this stuff.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Sadly anet is only partly to blame for this. If people didnt act like douchbags and feel the need to roll the next op class and just played classes based on real interest, it wouldnt be such of a problem. So…in conclusion, its YOU the players who do this stuff.

So the players have to be blamed for playing hotjoin or abusing builds caused by balanced-changes by A-Net? I doubt good players would even play hotjoin if tournament-play would actually be more rewarding than this brainless zerging.

It’s the same if you say, A-Net can’t be blamed that CoF p1 is overfarmed by zerk-warriors. Such a nonsense here.

Ya the players are to blame for immediately falling over themselves to make a toon of the new op class. My necro has been sitting at 7lvl shy of 80 since a week a half. I could care less about pve stuff. Do whatever you want. I am speaking to the people who didnt know necro even existed until this patch and made them to bring into pvp or crafted leveled them in a day for wvw only because they’re on the op side in some aspects.

So ya, its the players who are to blame.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Ya the players are to blame for immediately falling over themselves to make a toon of the new op class. My necro has been sitting at 7lvl shy of 80 since a week a half. I could care less about pve stuff. Do whatever you want. I am speaking to the people who didnt know necro even existed until this patch and made them to bring into pvp or crafted leveled them in a day for wvw only because they’re on the op side in some aspects.

So ya, its the players who are to blame.

Your ignorance is worth a medal.

Mono teams usually tend to do well..
I have had two instances with only elementalists in team(8v8) and we won both games pretty fast.
I think the reason is that you understand the syneriges pretty well if you are playing in the same team with same professions. Especially as it is hot-join the level of players is pretty low and those synerigeis come over the top.
I’m pretty sure that in tpvp a group of necros(5v5) would be slaughtered pretty fast. That said i have never played against a mono team in tpvp, so i am just guessing.

So imo it is not a “proof” that necros are op, same would have happen with any mono team imo(in hot-join of course)

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

So ya, its the players who are to blame.

Your ignorance is worth a medal.[/quote]

Thanks! I get its freightening and scary for you to discover this previously unknown fact that most of the people who play this game are kittens.

pff, necros are nothing, I’m starting to get matched against premades in hotjoin as well.

It’s all Leman’s doing.

Very fun game – necros facerolled everything haha

we tried to bully a mesm and a thief out of our team in the next round but they DIDNT LISTEN !!!

KarlaGrey.5903:

It’s all Leman’s doing.

The more Adam says I’m OP, the more I believe that and things like this start to happen.

#EverybodyLovesLemmy

In all seriousness, we just camped their spawn with necro AoE. This would happen to most teams. The moment you’re able to seal the opponent in their base, it’s basically a glory farmfest with players just running in and dying.

This would never happen in a rated match. Note: not saying necros (or rather aoe in general) don’t need tuning (they do).

Hint to everyone: evasion thieves are decent vs this necro.

You lost, not because the other team had only necros, but because your team had no warriors

I stopped playing hotjoin for glory a long time ago.

And I ALWAYS try to go play with low rank guys: I wan to fight proficient people, not newcomers.

I am happier if I take down a thief at rank 40 than at rank 9.

These are the cases that make me wish this game had CC immunity like most other MMOs (if you get feared for instance and you don’t cleanse it yourself, you’ll be immune to fear for x amount of time after the first one finishes duration)

Swim.6830:

These are the cases that make me wish this game had CC immunity like most other MMOs (if you get feared for instance and you don’t cleanse it yourself, you’ll be immune to fear for x amount of time after the first one finishes duration)

CC immunity was a terrible mechanic in those MMOs and always has been.

Think about it. CC is the necromancers greatest weakness. You start putting CC on immunity timers and necromancers become that much stronger. Besides, CC in those other MMOs lasted a heck of a lot longer. 10 seconds or so on some of the CC. The most you will ever be CCed by one ability in this game is 3 seconds. Most will only CC you for a second or two. Not to mention that every class has a million and one ways to break out of CC. Stun breakers are every where. Stop loading your utility bar with DPS crap. Its not always about doing maximum damage.

What I see when looking at the rank image is 7 39+ rank necros beat a team with 5 sub rank 23 players, heck, 4 sub rank 10’s for that matter.

according to you:
8 mesmer is not OP? practically nn predete point;)
8 guardian is not OP? do not kill anyone
8 engi is not op? fly all over the map XD
8 elements is not OP? all aoe
think about it before publishing this kind of post here

^Yeah eles sure got more aoes than necros sarcasm

And that flying all over is lethal when the game is about holding points.

Kravick.4906:

Swim.6830:

These are the cases that make me wish this game had CC immunity like most other MMOs (if you get feared for instance and you don’t cleanse it yourself, you’ll be immune to fear for x amount of time after the first one finishes duration)

CC immunity was a terrible mechanic in those MMOs and always has been.

Think about it. CC is the necromancers greatest weakness. You start putting CC on immunity timers and necromancers become that much stronger. Besides, CC in those other MMOs lasted a heck of a lot longer. 10 seconds or so on some of the CC. The most you will ever be CCed by one ability in this game is 3 seconds. Most will only CC you for a second or two. Not to mention that every class has a million and one ways to break out of CC. Stun breakers are every where. Stop loading your utility bar with DPS crap. Its not always about doing maximum damage.

You presume too much about what I put on my utility bar. The current state of the game actually forces people to put more than one stunbreaker/cond removal in order to be competitive. Where is the diversity in that, especially considering some are a MUST HAVE for certain classes?

Yes CCs here are shorter, but with such a dynamic game where 1 second can mean dead or not a long CC chain from 3 necros (just as an example) brings nothing fun or competitive. There is no thought process of when someone should use their CC by risking of wasting it, because CC is so much more available than defensive abilities for most classes.

(I am not trying to bash necros in any way, heck I have one. I am bashing all CC in general and how poorly they are balanced in this game from class to class and in general)

Are you really complaining about being CCed from multiple sources? Are you telling me that if 3 people jump you that you should even stand a chance? Sorry, I don’t buy it. CC or not, those 3 people would still kill you.

miriforst.1290:

^Yeah eles sure got more aoes than necros sarcasm

And that flying all over is lethal when the game is about holding points.

or contesting …. which is a very underplayed element…but i guess we’re talking hot-joins… so maybe…not underplayed :P

and just 2 month ago, when I joined gw2 necro’s where on the bottom.

i guess i should learn warrior. they say its on the bottom, must be op’ed next week.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

uberkingkong.8041:

See that. Stacked team of good players.
It really doesn’t matter what profession they play a team stacked with good players will always dominate newbs.

Sure it maybe easier to do it with necromancer now because newbs have no idea how to counter that kind of necromancer.

The bigger problem is hotjoin is jut consisted of good players farming newbies for glory. Anet needs to do something about this.

That last statement is just pure ignorance. Let’s stop good players from playing hot-joins. Noo, push them into tPvP so we can face more rank 1s and rank 10s. Are you serious?

Unless Anet does something about rank points, you will never stop seeing high glory rank players in hot-join.

Oh and also, rank =/= skill.

Never said to stop high ranks from playing hotjoins. What my post is about is high ranks stacking on one team while the ranks 1-20 are on the other team being farmed.

Ever since your allowed to pick what team you want, theres been an increase in people stacking teams and hotjoin heroes farming newbies.

It’s a lot harder back then to swap team than it is to spam red team just because that rank 50+ dude is on that team and hes always getting 300+ glory and everyone with a brain knows to join that team (newbies don’t have brains in hotjoins). Hence they continue to easily get 500 glory at the end game.

Hotjoin isn’t safe for newbies, they are safer playing tpvp at least there they have a chance to be on a balanced team rather than bunch of newbies playing hotjoin against stacked team of 50s, where all they will do is die constantly.

Look at the images on this thread. Obviously the rank 40+ are dominating all those lower ranked people in hotjoins because they are all on the same team. Its stupid to go on the other team.

And I know of a lot of reputable players that do this. Who wouldn’t go for easy glory.

But thing is the longer this is around, the longer it will take for the pvp community to grow because we aren’t attracting newplayers this way, if anything this is making newplayers leave the pvp with disgust because they have better things to do than get farmed by hotjoin heroes all day. Nobody wants to play a game just to die all day long.

uberkingkong.8041:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

uberkingkong.8041:

See that. Stacked team of good players.
It really doesn’t matter what profession they play a team stacked with good players will always dominate newbs.

Sure it maybe easier to do it with necromancer now because newbs have no idea how to counter that kind of necromancer.

The bigger problem is hotjoin is jut consisted of good players farming newbies for glory. Anet needs to do something about this.

That last statement is just pure ignorance. Let’s stop good players from playing hot-joins. Noo, push them into tPvP so we can face more rank 1s and rank 10s. Are you serious?

Unless Anet does something about rank points, you will never stop seeing high glory rank players in hot-join.

Oh and also, rank =/= skill.

Never said to stop high ranks from playing hotjoins. What my post is about is high ranks stacking on one team while the ranks 1-20 are on the other team being farmed.

Ever since your allowed to pick what team you want, theres been an increase in people stacking teams and hotjoin heroes farming newbies.

It’s a lot harder back then to swap team than it is to spam red team just because that rank 50+ dude is on that team and hes always getting 300+ glory and everyone with a brain knows to join that team (newbies don’t have brains in hotjoins). Hence they continue to easily get 500 glory at the end game.

Hotjoin isn’t safe for newbies, they are safer playing tpvp at least there they have a chance to be on a balanced team rather than bunch of newbies playing hotjoin against stacked team of 50s, where all they will do is die constantly.

Look at the images on this thread. Obviously the rank 40+ are dominating all those lower ranked people in hotjoins because they are all on the same team. Its stupid to go on the other team.

And I know of a lot of reputable players that do this. Who wouldn’t go for easy glory.

But thing is the longer this is around, the longer it will take for the pvp community to grow because we aren’t attracting newplayers this way, if anything this is making newplayers leave the pvp with disgust because they have better things to do than get farmed by hotjoin heroes all day. Nobody wants to play a game just to die all day long.

It’s not that: is that newbies are there to learn. So they can even stand getting steamrolled.

But I am asking this to the good players: where is the fun at fighting low ranks? When I face a team made by those people, I leave, because I don’t think is fair.

If there’s a tiam with higher ranks, I alway try to play against that team and face high ranked enemies.

People aren’t doing it to have fun, they are doing it to rank up as fast as possible. And if your dumb enough to go on the other team, that’s good for them because it allows another one of them to join the winning team. You have no idea how many times I seen a stack room go 5v6 with 9 spectators just waiting for someone to join the team that’s getting farmed so they can join the farming team.

Just join the team they’re on, nobody cares about newplayers in pvp, nobody cares about the growth of pvp, its all about ranking up as fast as possible.