Guild Wars 2

There have been a lot of issues following the matchmaking changes – people intentionally leaving matches, refusing the play and going afk at base (sometimes rather vocally), intentionally helping the enemy team gain points, etc. For most people, respect for your team and Dishonor are enough to dissuade them from this kind of behavior, but it still happens enough for PvPers to feel let down and disenchanted.

Most of this is already covered in the rules of conduct:

While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

but I think it may be time for an addendum or revision, as well as a report option for violation of the PvP sportsmanship clause. I have faith that a solution to these problems is in the works somewhere, but until that happens, players need to be able to take some kind of action against it.

Our report options are only “botting, inappropriate character name, spamming, verbal abuse, scamming, selling gold, LFG system abuse.” Match manipulation doesn’t fit into any of these categories, and is a poor description for most unsportsmanlike behavior anyway. I know Anet’s been hard at work and probably doesn’t need more work, but this intermediary fix seems simple.

Anet, if you’re reading, can we have this? Would you be able to follow up on this type of report? Could we maybe have a small description section as well, so players can let you know what’s wrong? Players, would you use this and do you feel it would help you?

I support it in theory, but it would be very hard to police, and somewhat open to abuse too. What’s to stop angry players from mass reporting some poor newbie who stumbled into Unranked and is doing all the classic mistakes like double-capping, zerging, or getting into pointless fights while all 3 points are capped? Without some form of chat confirmation, it can be very difficult to prove whether somebody is match manipulating or just a bad player.

Are you sure those people are intentionally helping the other teams?

Since I doubt it is easy to even be queued in the same match as enemy player.

the guy is probably just trying to loss faster. Or someone on your team talk trash to him and he don’t bother to help.

Zaxares.5419:

I support it in theory, but it would be very hard to police, and somewhat open to abuse too. What’s to stop angry players from mass reporting some poor newbie who stumbled into Unranked and is doing all the classic mistakes like double-capping, zerging, or getting into pointless fights while all 3 points are capped? Without some form of chat confirmation, it can be very difficult to prove whether somebody is match manipulating or just a bad player.

Which is why I really hope that Anet save some match information, like scores, chat logs and so on. If they keep that then it will be very easy to spot wether this is a new player (they can just check his stats) or a veteran kitten.

Geiir.7603:

Zaxares.5419:

I support it in theory, but it would be very hard to police, and somewhat open to abuse too. What’s to stop angry players from mass reporting some poor newbie who stumbled into Unranked and is doing all the classic mistakes like double-capping, zerging, or getting into pointless fights while all 3 points are capped? Without some form of chat confirmation, it can be very difficult to prove whether somebody is match manipulating or just a bad player.

Which is why I really hope that Anet save some match information, like scores, chat logs and so on. If they keep that then it will be very easy to spot wether this is a new player (they can just check his stats) or a veteran kitten.

I think that is very hard to prove nothing except having a referee over your shoulder.

In example: yesterady in one of my matches, playing as a meditation guardian in Niflhel, I did stay on close over the whole match, keeping our base. I got like 25 points due scoring the area and two succesfull defends (few kills). We won by a landslide (by more than 300 points), but for most of the match my role was just to stay alone, on close, doing nothing, scoring nothing to myself, despite the point I keep on guard was scoring for my team the whole match.

Another example: a player does a great job, scores a lot of kills and contributes to the the advantage of his team; then suddenly He makes personal a duel with another player, leaving a side the match and just engaging in the fight. As the result, the team loses, but who are we to judge them? The ultimate goal of the game is (must be) to have fun, and for him having that fight can be more fun that just winning another irrelevant match.

I remember my two (only) matches in LoL. I was utterly bad; in one of them I died like 17 times, and one of the players of my teams was mad blaming me for “feeding the opposite team”. He was wrong, but despite I did try to argue my novelty to the game He still was raging all the time.

The way to prevent disgusting behaviour from your team mates is just trying to play always with the same people, making comformed teams. The game still doesn’t have numbers enough in PvP to have a functional matchmaking based on skill levels and personal delivery, so ramdom teams will provide random experiences.

Buran.3796:

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I Ranked there is only one goal: Win at any cost.

Zaxares.5419:

I support it in theory, but it would be very hard to police, and somewhat open to abuse too. What’s to stop angry players from mass reporting some poor newbie who stumbled into Unranked and is doing all the classic mistakes like double-capping, zerging, or getting into pointless fights while all 3 points are capped?

The entire report system is open to abuse though. I’m more talking about egregious instances of someone repeatedly refusing the play. I assume Anet takes reports with a grain of salt anyway, unless the reported offense is clear and quite terrible.

You make a good point that newbies are going to make a ton of idiotic mistakes. I’m sure someone would report them too, but playing badly shouldn’t be a violation of any rule. If someone is new that will be obvious to whoever reviews reports.

I see a lot of blatant trolling sometimes though. Like “yes, I’m fighting in the street and not capping points, because you’re all scrubs and it’s not worth it to even try with this kitten team.” I think that’s an obvious problem, whereas someone who’s new or otherwise confused probably isn’t going to offensively mouth off about it.

Buran.3796:

In example: yesterady in one of my matches, playing as a meditation guardian in Niflhel, I did stay on close over the whole match, keeping our base. I got like 25 points due scoring the area and two succesfull defends (few kills). We won by a landslide (by more than 300 points), but for most of the match my role was just to stay alone, on close, doing nothing, scoring nothing to myself, despite the point I keep on guard was scoring for my team the whole match.

Bunkers are an example of why points scored shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Holding and defending a point is legit. Rushing far and dying over and over can even be legit (think of the poor noobs) – it depends on intention. Which admittedly is difficult or even impossible to prove if they don’t say anything.

What I’m primarily suggesting is a report option for situations that are clear BS. As mentioned above, people who insult their team based on composition alone, and refuse to play because of that. Terrible team comp in soloQ isn’t the fault of the team. Sometimes those terrible comps even win, but not if one or two people on the team just flat out refuse to try, and make that very clear with what they say in chat.

Yeah, in some cases, it’ll be obvious that the person is deliberately sabotaging your own team. Whether it’s because they announced it, or because you see the player just running into a wall back at your base. But in your latter example, is it a case of them just giving up or because they got a case of “combat tunnel vision” because they got jumped on the way to a point and their “must kill my opponent!” instinct kicked in. (Happened to me a few times.)

And even if they just gave up, sometimes you can’t really blame them if the match really IS completely one-sided. When the score is 30 – 300, the enemy team has bunkers and gank squads roaming around, and you know that there is absolutely no way you can pull a comeback, can you really blame them for wanting the pain to end sooner?

Maybe they could add a “Reputation” stat that your teammates could rate you with after a match. +1 or -1 kind of thing. That way I could -1 the next person who says “Stupid Ranger Arie, can’t even kill an engineer!” As Chaith dances over my dead body and we loose 500-30. :-)

Morwath.9817:

Buran.3796:

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I Ranked there is only one goal: Win at any cost.

Some say that a lazy, low-MMR engi had that thought one day, and he invented the turreter build…