Guild Wars 2

So just how many nerfs they need to take more to be brought in line with the other 8 classes?

Looking back at release balance state of revs its just silly how Anet undervalues the integrity of balance in their game, its almost like they made revs disgustingly op on release just for the purpose of HoT sales as if elite specs were not enough

Even after taking a bunch of crazy nerfs that would probably destroy any other class revenants are still #1 in the power dps role for pvp and apparently its not going to change any soon

Time to man up Anet and finish the job you started on balancing revs

They should nerf all elite specs (including rev) to core spec levels otherwise we will be stuck with same builds till new elite spec comes out.

Shadowstep.6049:

They should nerf all elite specs (including rev) to core spec levels otherwise we will be stuck with same builds till new elite spec comes out.

It’s not even possible to do that though. Triple core specs are not done becuase classes don’t have three specs that all synergize well.

Core builds usually have two traitlines that the build is built around, and then the third traitline is just whatever viable traitline is left.

Elite specs offer traitline for that third slot that is actually meaningful. The only way core builds will see viablility next to elite builds is if they make it so that that you can’t run core trait lines with elite trait lines.

I think the biggest issue with Revenant is how swapping legends sets their energy to 50. Remove that feature and they may actually have to watch their energy more…

mrauls.6519:

I think the biggest issue with Revenant is how swapping legends sets their energy to 50. Remove that feature and they may actually have to watch their energy more…

so cooldown plus energy management plus slow as hell regen? i dont see how that could possibly go wrong.

The main problem is off and def in same time with great movement. You can see the same problem in staff/condi thief and dh. Do crazy damage and don’t have any danger. Great movement make condi is not the problem of rev because he can easy get out of attack region and back to target again.

sophiewhite.3149:

mrauls.6519:

I think the biggest issue with Revenant is how swapping legends sets their energy to 50. Remove that feature and they may actually have to watch their energy more…

so cooldown plus energy management plus slow as hell regen? i dont see how that could possibly go wrong.

I don’t think they should have energy. I think they should have CDs on every non AA skill

REV also no need any keyboard movement skill. Just following skill rotation. pass a key transport to target make off and def damage and pass a key leave the target than do rotation to defense. Their movement ALL are Invincible OR break CC. That’s why ppls no any chance to make enough damage/kill a good(LOL) rev.

xeonage.1253:

REV also no need any keyboard turning.

Whew!

mrauls.6519:

sophiewhite.3149:

mrauls.6519:

I think the biggest issue with Revenant is how swapping legends sets their energy to 50. Remove that feature and they may actually have to watch their energy more…

so cooldown plus energy management plus slow as hell regen? i dont see how that could possibly go wrong.

I don’t think they should have energy. I think they should have CDs on every non AA skill

How funny is to see how inexperienced people complain rev … it is low compared to other classes and has poor healing. The damage that you call OP do 2 skills faults and as the Revs against those who fight are more skilled than they come to mourn the forum (and that more grace make me are the guardians, with its 2000 heal and 3000 blocks, CC 14stacks crazy and fire in 1 sec) If rev is so op and guardian is not, because you do not use rev and kill everything you see? You know that besides energy skills also have CD? It is illogical to discuss an issue with people who have no idea how something works and still criticizes …

The only thing I should hear Revenants complaining about is build diversity. Despite the nerfs, Revenant is still the strongest power DPS in the game in a conquest setting. It’s like the nerfs Mesmer took. It made it harder for bad Mesmers to play the build, but it was, and still is, incredibly strong when used well. Revenant is still insanely strong, and it’s only the players that weren’t playing it well that are complaining now.

A Thief that complains rev is still op.
Give me a break.
You don’t even have to face retrib rev anymore.

The fact is you can’t beat the matchup you counter which means you’re bad, not that rev is op.

Well, Revenants is not the only class who has gotten nerfed so much so that then touch the grass with their feet now.

A well played Rev is one of the classes I have problems to handle.

I want nerf on their heal when hit with condi, its too much and mostly cant be interrupted. And nerf on their dodges. Then i am happy.

BeLZedaR.4790:

A Thief that complains rev is still op.
Give me a break.
You don’t even have to face retrib rev anymore.

The fact is you can’t beat the matchup you counter which means you’re bad, not that rev is op.

You realize thief is not only class in this game?

Shadowstep.6049:

BeLZedaR.4790:

A Thief that complains rev is still op.
Give me a break.
You don’t even have to face retrib rev anymore.

The fact is you can’t beat the matchup you counter which means you’re bad, not that rev is op.

You realize thief is not only class in this game?

I think he just chimed in to flame OP because OP mentions thief in his signature.

Shadowstep.6049:

They should nerf all elite specs (including rev) to core spec levels otherwise we will be stuck with same builds till new elite spec comes out.

That is the point, so we can all go by the xpac to compete. To counter hots elite specs you need the xpac2 elite specs.

Chungo.3169:

mrauls.6519:

sophiewhite.3149:

mrauls.6519:

I think the biggest issue with Revenant is how swapping legends sets their energy to 50. Remove that feature and they may actually have to watch their energy more…

so cooldown plus energy management plus slow as hell regen? i dont see how that could possibly go wrong.

I don’t think they should have energy. I think they should have CDs on every non AA skill

How funny is to see how inexperienced people complain rev … it is low compared to other classes and has poor healing. The damage that you call OP do 2 skills faults and as the Revs against those who fight are more skilled than they come to mourn the forum (and that more grace make me are the guardians, with its 2000 heal and 3000 blocks, CC 14stacks crazy and fire in 1 sec) If rev is so op and guardian is not, because you do not use rev and kill everything you see? You know that besides energy skills also have CD? It is illogical to discuss an issue with people who have no idea how something works and still criticizes …

Inexperienced?

I should have added the word “just”. I think they should just have CDs on every non AA skill and remove the energy component

Emapudapus.1307:

I want nerf on their heal when hit with condi, its too much and mostly cant be interrupted. And nerf on their dodges. Then i am happy.

Nerf their heal? They have the worst heals in the game (assuming you’re meta shiro/glint) Shiro isn’t even a heal, it’s a dmg boost, and Glint is the easiest heal to counter. Also, you want to nerf Rev’s only counter to condi? Rev literally has 1 condi clear on legend swap, and staff #4 can be interrupted easily, and isn’t even worth the cast time. Also nerf their dodges? Sure revs have a lot of evades, it’s their only defense other than shield #5, and blocks can be easily bypassed with unblockable skills. Look at other classes.

DH, has a lot of blocks, insane heal skill, an immune that resets a block and a heal.

Chronos have double distort, moa, stealth, clones, HP on shatter, and a CS to double all that.

Warriors have access to insane toughness, heal sig + rousing resilience + HP on burst skills, blocks, double endure pain, berserker stance, plenty of stunbreaks, plenty of resistance

Thief has triple the amount of evades than revs do, can disengage, stealth, blocks,

Ele has HP on auras, water overload, obsidian flesh, projectile reflects, almost perma protection uptime

Necro is squishy :P

Engineer has reflect projectiles, double med gyro/healing turret, insane boon output, stealth, stab, double immune, condi removal

Ranger has incredible heals, able to kite, stealth, water fields, stone sig, condi removal, a lot of stab

And what does Rev have?
3 evades, 2 blocks, one immune, no stab, no kiting potential, no reflects, tiny bit of proc, almost no condi clears, no resistance, literally 2 blinds, and actually good CC

And you wanna nerf the heal and the evades.

No evades, 2 blocks, no immune, no stab, no kiting potential, no reflects, tiny bit of proc, almost no condi clears, no resistance, literally 2 blinds, and good CC.

Rev still OP

No kiting potential? Revenant? Pls.

Ranger has pretty bad stab access (60s cd, 1s casttime + 2s in CA on a skill that roots the player).

And rev doesn’t only has evades, blocks, blinds, low cd stunbreaks, ports and glint heal, it also has better dmg output than any other class.

OP is feeling the high skill cap that Revs are. They didn’t balance the class on how well moderate players use them. Anet balanced them by how well pros perform on the class.

• If you die to DH 1v1 then you’re doing something wrong.
• If a team prefers a Thief over you then you’re doing something wrong.
• If you die faster than a Necro then you’re doing something wrong.

This isn’t speculation, Revs really do have a high skill cap and Rev pros (though they tryhard) are really op at the moment.

Shadowstep.6049:

They should nerf all elite specs (including rev) to core spec levels otherwise we will be stuck with same builds till new elite spec comes out.

That would be an excellent way to make people to quite the game, taking in consideration that no one with the expansion is playing the vanilla classes -ouside a very few exceptions-.

Buran.3796:

Shadowstep.6049:

They should nerf all elite specs (including rev) to core spec levels otherwise we will be stuck with same builds till new elite spec comes out.

That would be an excellent way to make people to quite the game, taking in consideration that no one with the expansion is playing the vanilla classes -ouside a very few exceptions-.

Yeah and only reason for it is because elite specs are broken as hell compared to core. Every single friend i have in pvp would rather play core build if it was viable in higher tiers. People would quit if game had more build variety? Sssssuuuureeee.

I agree, I think rev damage is a bit too high in PvP. I dont think it’s the class overall that is overpowered, but the damage output of certain builds can feel a little unfair at times, as with most classes.

And about elite specs. I gotta say, really love chronomancer and would not rather go back to core specs. But yeah, it can also be toned down some while still keeping its flavor.

Shadowstep.6049:

Yeah and only reason for it is because elite specs are broken as hell compared to core. Every single friend i have in pvp would rather play core build if it was viable in higher tiers. People would quit if game had more build variety? Sssssuuuureeee.

I wouldn’t come back to bunker Guardian after playing offensive DH (and anyway bunker Guardian was useless for a long time before the HoT arrival).

For some classes is even worse: Heralds can’t return to Revenant because “Rev” doesn’t work without Herald/Glint. The last patch twelve days ago made condi Herald useless at every department of the game so I did stop to use the class.

You can foster the idea of nerfing everyone, but I wouln’t play a class if lacks any viable build or if the only one viable lacks fun for me.

What is wrong with elite specs being on same level as core. It would mean you would have choice of still playing elite or play core = build variety. Nobody says elite specs should be nerfed to the level of being unviable.

Shadowstep.6049:

What is wrong with elite specs being on same level as core. It would mean you would have choice of still playing elite or play core = build variety. Nobody says elite specs should be nerfed to the level of being unviable.

having to completely start over on balance is the reason anet will not do this. its a pipe dream involving too much work for a pve balance team. let alone the fact that pve content (raids and t4 fractals) would become insanely hard if the balance wasnt split. and they wont do that because it would take quite a bit of coding and extra work balancing. in other words. give up.

How is revenant still unbalanced for you, IMO, its already overnerfed and broken class in this game.

Theres a poll in reddit right now that shows which class you like the most, guess what class is at the bottom with 5% of the votes.. Revenant.

In the last 3 nights in WvW SBI, the entire pug squad of over 30+ ppl, I have not seen any revs. Theres a WvW Guild here [sV] that’s been recruiting for revs for days now and its still looking.

I fought 2 Revs in PVP in the past 6 days, both were easily killed by my ele which I just made using a default ingame premade auramancer build lol.

Revenant is dead. It has 2 useful sets of weapons (sword/shield+staff), it has 2 useful legends (Glint+Shiro) it has 1 useful metabuild (Dev/Invo/Herald), Sword 2 and 3 are buggy, Staff 5 requires precision to aim even then most experienced pvp’ers will avoid/counter all this easily.

If anything they need some serious unnerfings or buffs. In the meantime, ill be on my ele using my rev as storage.

Hirasaki.6208:

How is revenant still unbalanced for you, IMO, its already overnerfed and broken class in this game.

Theres a poll in reddit right now that shows which class you like the most, guess what class is at the bottom with 5% of the votes.. Revenant.

In the last 3 nights in WvW SBI, the entire pug squad of over 30+ ppl, I have not seen any revs. Theres a WvW Guild here [sV] that’s been recruiting for revs for days now and its still looking.

I fought 2 Revs in PVP in the past 6 days, both were easily killed by my ele which I just made using a default ingame premade auramancer build lol.

Revenant is dead. It has 2 useful sets of weapons (sword/shield+staff), it has 2 useful legends (Glint+Shiro) it has 1 useful metabuild (Dev/Invo/Herald), Sword 2 and 3 are buggy, Staff 5 requires precision to aim even then most experienced pvp’ers will avoid/counter all this easily.

If anything they need some serious unnerfings or buffs. In the meantime, ill be on my ele using my rev as storage.

- most of reddit population is pve’ers and roleplayers. Ofc they wouldn’t like rev since it is not viable for elitist raiding according to qT (which is total bs imo) and you know how blindly people follow some elitist crap even though they can’t even play as well.
- how is WvW related to pvp?
- extremely tiny player pool doesn’t proof anything. I also would bet those revs were bad or tried out new stuff.
- pretty much every class is pigeonholed in the same build (at least at high pvp levels). Every class suffers from game breaking bugs.
- no, if anything they need to nerf rev and other elite specs more so core become viable and we actually see some build variety

I get revs in my team a lot in higher MMR matches – in my experience thief/rev combo wombo allowed us to carry hard. We even won 2v3 fights vs classes that rev supposedly is weak against (condi mes, necro). Really, the problem with rev is between monitor and chair.

Bandwagon moved somewhere else, eh?

Shadowstep.6049:

Hirasaki.6208:

How is revenant still unbalanced for you, IMO, its already overnerfed and broken class in this game.

Theres a poll in reddit right now that shows which class you like the most, guess what class is at the bottom with 5% of the votes.. Revenant.

In the last 3 nights in WvW SBI, the entire pug squad of over 30+ ppl, I have not seen any revs. Theres a WvW Guild here [sV] that’s been recruiting for revs for days now and its still looking.

I fought 2 Revs in PVP in the past 6 days, both were easily killed by my ele which I just made using a default ingame premade auramancer build lol.

Revenant is dead. It has 2 useful sets of weapons (sword/shield+staff), it has 2 useful legends (Glint+Shiro) it has 1 useful metabuild (Dev/Invo/Herald), Sword 2 and 3 are buggy, Staff 5 requires precision to aim even then most experienced pvp’ers will avoid/counter all this easily.

If anything they need some serious unnerfings or buffs. In the meantime, ill be on my ele using my rev as storage.

- most of reddit population is pve’ers and roleplayers. Ofc they wouldn’t like rev since it is not viable for elitist raiding according to qT (which is total bs imo) and you know how blindly people follow some elitist crap even though they can’t even play as well.
- how is WvW related to pvp?
- extremely tiny player pool doesn’t proof anything. I also would bet those revs were bad or tried out new stuff.
- pretty much every class is pigeonholed in the same build (at least at high pvp levels). Every class suffers from game breaking bugs.
- no, if anything they need to nerf rev and other elite specs more so core become viable and we actually see some build variety

I get revs in my team a lot in higher MMR matches – in my experience thief/rev combo wombo allowed us to carry hard. We even won 2v3 fights vs classes that rev supposedly is weak against (condi mes, necro). Really, the problem with rev is between monitor and chair.

Bandwagon moved somewhere else, eh?

So your saying Rev’s should get more nerfs bec you can make a premade team with revs and wreck pugs in unranked? Do you even Rev? You sound like a thief who got 1 shotted by a zerker hammer rev and demands more nerfs.

Hirasaki.6208:

Shadowstep.6049:

Hirasaki.6208:

How is revenant still unbalanced for you, IMO, its already overnerfed and broken class in this game.

Theres a poll in reddit right now that shows which class you like the most, guess what class is at the bottom with 5% of the votes.. Revenant.

In the last 3 nights in WvW SBI, the entire pug squad of over 30+ ppl, I have not seen any revs. Theres a WvW Guild here [sV] that’s been recruiting for revs for days now and its still looking.

I fought 2 Revs in PVP in the past 6 days, both were easily killed by my ele which I just made using a default ingame premade auramancer build lol.

Revenant is dead. It has 2 useful sets of weapons (sword/shield+staff), it has 2 useful legends (Glint+Shiro) it has 1 useful metabuild (Dev/Invo/Herald), Sword 2 and 3 are buggy, Staff 5 requires precision to aim even then most experienced pvp’ers will avoid/counter all this easily.

If anything they need some serious unnerfings or buffs. In the meantime, ill be on my ele using my rev as storage.

- most of reddit population is pve’ers and roleplayers. Ofc they wouldn’t like rev since it is not viable for elitist raiding according to qT (which is total bs imo) and you know how blindly people follow some elitist crap even though they can’t even play as well.
- how is WvW related to pvp?
- extremely tiny player pool doesn’t proof anything. I also would bet those revs were bad or tried out new stuff.
- pretty much every class is pigeonholed in the same build (at least at high pvp levels). Every class suffers from game breaking bugs.
- no, if anything they need to nerf rev and other elite specs more so core become viable and we actually see some build variety

I get revs in my team a lot in higher MMR matches – in my experience thief/rev combo wombo allowed us to carry hard. We even won 2v3 fights vs classes that rev supposedly is weak against (condi mes, necro). Really, the problem with rev is between monitor and chair.

Bandwagon moved somewhere else, eh?

So your saying Rev’s should get more nerfs bec you can make a premade team with revs and wreck pugs in unranked? Do you even Rev? You sound like a thief who got 1 shotted by a zerker hammer rev and demands more nerfs.

No, my point is rev is still very strong. We won vs classes he is supposed to lose against. I wasn’t in premade with those revs btw, we just ended up on same team, that is all. It was ranked too.
Also, all pro league players i know said rev is still best pick. I respect their opinion more than cries from spoiled bandwagon members.

Yes, i do have a rev and play it once in a while, i just don’t like their playstyle, never did really. I didn’t get one shot by zerker hammer rev, i do demand nerfs for revs and all other elite specs however. Go play core thief vs revs – maybe you will realize how still overtuned they are along with other elite specs. This game won’t see variety until elite specs and rev get proper nerfs.

I honestly don’t understand all these cries from rev playes – we all knew rev was overtuned beyond comparison for the sake of HoT sales, we all knew the class going to get nerfed when Anet sold enough HoT copies. What did you actually expect lol?

I’ve been playing my rev more and more since patch. I gotta say the damage potential still turns fights around.

I’ve been playing more recklessly (taking 1v2s 3s etc) to practice using my defensive skills.

This class remains firmly at the top no question about it.

Shadowstep.6049:

What is wrong with elite specs being on same level as core. It would mean you would have choice of still playing elite or play core = build variety. Nobody says elite specs should be nerfed to the level of being unviable.

Unless the elites were nerfed so badly that using them was actively detrimental, the sheer mechanical changes they provide (modified class mechanics, new weapon and skills, etc) make them a superior choice over a third core trait line (a lot of which are still pretty mediocre) in pretty much every situation.