Guild Wars 2

I am generally interested in what you (community and Anet) think the leaderboards are. Do they show best players? Do they show most games? Do they show best W/L? Is skill the only factor??

As it stands these leaderboards are about 90% time played— 10% “skill” — what Anet thinks you are…..

IS this what the leaderboards should represent? IDK you tell me..
In most circumstances leaderboards in PVP show the best players at the top.
What is a “best” player? Seeing as this is ranked TEAM Q, I associate the best players as people who win a lot of their games, vs equally skilled opponents, in the Highest MMR bracket…

SO Anet.. What does your leaderboard show?

All about luck.

It isn’t about luck.

It’s about the most games played. They added a GOOD factor into the leaderboards while destroying most of the other good factors.

The good thing added: players who quit for months cannot come back, play 1 game, and be in the top 20 anymore.

The worst part about this leaderboard is that even though you cannot play 1 game and come back to the top of the leaderboard (which is a good thing), you will have to play hundreds to get back there since it’s entirely based on the amount of games you play.

As I’ve said for the past many, many months.. we need the system League of Legends/SC2 has. We don’t have tens of millions of players, so give us Bronze, Silver, and Gold leagues. From there, we don’t even see our MMR, but work up a total points system, similar to what we currently have, to qualify for the next league. Then, the next few matches (3 or 5) we play, we must win 80% of those to be promoted.

Anyone who has played LoL ranked will know what I’m talking about. You also don’t see 67 million LoL players complaining about the ranked system, so it obviously gets the job done.

This leaderboard is silly. It’s a measurement of who can spam the most games.

However, the leaderboard shouldn’t be about rewarding top players stacking themselves into one team to farm unorganized pugs or lesser teams.

If you’re a top player why are you dodging other top players by teaming with them?

SobeSoul.6910:

This leaderboard is silly. It’s a measurement of who can spam the most games.

However, the leaderboard shouldn’t be about rewarding top players stacking themselves into one team to farm unorganized pugs or lesser teams.

If you’re a top player why are you dodging other top players by teaming with them?

Lol, no one is “dodging” anyone.. There are about 10 players that are top tier in NA, these 10 players make up the two best competitive teams in North America… These two teams beat every other team in the game.. These teams are not scared of fighting each other, in fact they welcome it. However it requires all 10 players to be on to play each other… Which unfortunately is quite rare.

So “super pugs” form where 3 players from team A and 2 players from team B join up since the rest of their team is on//

Leaderboards show how well your team performed compared to the matcher’s expectations.

If you play a lot and perform below expectations, you will have few points no matter how many games you play.

Aaron, if the top players have a team they play with, they should only play other teams of similar skill, in their own brackets.

As long as the system is going to put inexperienced players against top teams, win/loss is meaningless and nothing to be boasting about if you are on a top, experienced team.

Mike.4830:

SobeSoul.6910:

This leaderboard is silly. It’s a measurement of who can spam the most games.

However, the leaderboard shouldn’t be about rewarding top players stacking themselves into one team to farm unorganized pugs or lesser teams.

If you’re a top player why are you dodging other top players by teaming with them?

Lol, no one is “dodging” anyone.. There are about 10 players that are top tier in NA, these 10 players make up the two best competitive teams in North America… These two teams beat every other team in the game.. These teams are not scared of fighting each other, in fact they welcome it. However it requires all 10 players to be on to play each other… Which unfortunately is quite rare.

So “super pugs” form where 3 players from team A and 2 players from team B join up since the rest of their team is on//

You guys exploit cele, once it gets nerfed, we’ll c.

Mike.4830:

SobeSoul.6910:

This leaderboard is silly. It’s a measurement of who can spam the most games.

However, the leaderboard shouldn’t be about rewarding top players stacking themselves into one team to farm unorganized pugs or lesser teams.

If you’re a top player why are you dodging other top players by teaming with them?

Lol, no one is “dodging” anyone.. There are about 10 players that are top tier in NA, these 10 players make up the two best competitive teams in North America… These two teams beat every other team in the game.. These teams are not scared of fighting each other, in fact they welcome it. However it requires all 10 players to be on to play each other… Which unfortunately is quite rare.

So “super pugs” form where 3 players from team A and 2 players from team B join up since the rest of their team is on//

It is dodging whether you like it or not, and regardless of the intent of the Abjured and others. I don’t mean it in a negative way either. When your best competition is on your own team and there’s a huge gap between other competitors there’s really only one solution if you are a true competitor.

I’m talking about how things operate within the new ghettofabulous grindfest leaderboard, because it doesn’t rank teams.

Firebird.8324:

Mike.4830:

SobeSoul.6910:

This leaderboard is silly. It’s a measurement of who can spam the most games.

However, the leaderboard shouldn’t be about rewarding top players stacking themselves into one team to farm unorganized pugs or lesser teams.

If you’re a top player why are you dodging other top players by teaming with them?

Lol, no one is “dodging” anyone.. There are about 10 players that are top tier in NA, these 10 players make up the two best competitive teams in North America… These two teams beat every other team in the game.. These teams are not scared of fighting each other, in fact they welcome it. However it requires all 10 players to be on to play each other… Which unfortunately is quite rare.

So “super pugs” form where 3 players from team A and 2 players from team B join up since the rest of their team is on//

You guys exploit cele, once it gets nerfed, we’ll c.

Exploiting and “using a lot of” are entirely different meanings.

The one thing I do like about the leaderboard is it rewards avid and active play. You can no longer get to the top and then go afk and maybe play a few games a week to retain your position. Other than that there are still a lot of issues that need to be addressed, however this is a brand new system, so of course there will be issues to begin with.

RANK 7 POINTS 27 Matt.7248 Vis Viress WINS 16 LOSSES 24 40.00%

I don’t care how many matches you played or how well you played or what the odds of your team winning were… if you have a 40% win percentage you do NOT deserve to be ranked high on the leaderboard!

Guard.6751:

RANK 7 POINTS 27 Matt.7248 Vis Viress WINS 16 LOSSES 24 40.00%

I don’t care how many matches you played or how well you played or what the odds of your team winning were… if you have a 40% win percentage you do NOT deserve to be ranked high on the leaderboard!

You might want to think that through a little deeper.

Guard.6751:

RANK 7 POINTS 27 Matt.7248 Vis Viress WINS 16 LOSSES 24 40.00%

I don’t care how many matches you played or how well you played or what the odds of your team winning were… if you have a 40% win percentage you do NOT deserve to be ranked high on the leaderboard!

I guess you don’t understand how the new leaderboards work, win percentage means nothing, It’s all about the MMR and how well you did in the match.

I understand how it works and I don’t agree with it. Currently the LB gives too much value in overall games played and lost games.

@Silentshoes & @Chase

So you think the more games you play the higher you should be?

I think if they throw you against a team of top MMR players who know each others’ rotations and roles, all on Teamspeak lawling about and streaming it on Twitch (I have seen this)…

If they throw you and some low-level players against these guys, again and again, and you are able help your team get 200 points more times than not, you deserve to rise in the ladder.

And if you do it a LOT, consistently, yeah, you should be on top.

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

Maybe pretty smart if it gets new players into sPvP long term.

Silentshoes.1805:

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

Maybe pretty smart if it gets new players into sPvP long term.

you mean farmers? Encouraging farming is really gonna help pvp i guess…but they’re trying to dumb this game down as much as possible with every patch since it got out so yeah…i wouldn’t be surspised after all

wonder why high level pvp players are less than 1/3 than one year ago…after all those awesome casual friedly reworks…

ESL is probably the only decent thing left so far

You can play a lot of games and lose. No points for that.

I like the way it gives points to players who perform better than expected. And gives less points to people who win because their opponents are less experienced. Like having brackets. Or like getting no XP for killing easy, gray mobs in PvE.

Silentshoes.1805:

You can play a lot of games and lose. No points for that.

I like the way it gives points to players who perform better than expected. And gives less points to people who win because their opponents are less experienced. Like having brackets. Or like getting no XP for killing easy, gray mobs in PvE.

Nah you actually get points also when loosing most of times…you just need to play, you can go up even loosing every single game…just need a bunch of points and your +1 is almost always granted

(That’s why when we go full premade we always try to snowball asap in order to keep other team under 100 pnts, ppl who lose shouldn’t get points…no matter what, tricap as fast as possible and spawncamp…hoping to discourage farmers at least, since anet doesn’t really give any kittens we’re doing that our way)

Always used to let losing team members to all get some points in order to get rewards (Since with 0 pnts you get nothing) but they just made us going full gank now or ppl are gonna start farming just aiming to get some pnts and their +1 at the end..no mercy now…not anymore

You make it sound like it is easy for a team of noobs to get 200 points while they are being slaughtered by an experienced team.

That ladder grid is meant to even the playing field between noobs and highly experienced teams. Your idea that noobs should be penalized for failing to win impossible matches makes no sense.

Silentshoes.1805:

You make it sound like it is easy for a team of noobs to get 200 points while they are being slaughtered by an experienced team.

You just need one cap holding it with 5 ppl….you’re gonna be around 200+ when they hit 500….if you can’t hold one point with 5 ppl well…you probably don’t even deserve that +1 anyway

And look at this player (#872) 45 games, and only 5 points.

It’s not just playing a lot. He/she played a LOT.

Rank 872 // 5 pts //<player name> 15 // 30 // 33.33%

Silentshoes.1805:

And look at this player (#872) 45 games, and only 5 points.

It’s not just playing a lot. He/she played a LOT.

Rank 872 // 5 pts //<player name> 15 // 30 // 33.33%

Has to do with when you play I bet,
I’m rank 877 and I played against some good players only have 4wins 3 losses, 5 points.

I’m liking this leaderboard because it rewards you for playing against other good players and not good players avoiding good players, thus the good players are facing newbs to get to top 100 by pounding a bunch of newbs and not facing the other good players.

Believe it or not, I do play with these top players every now and then, and I see other solo que’ers pressuring them and I’ve even seen matches I thought we’d win because a ‘top player’ was on my team, but the players on the other team were… believe it or not…. Better.

So when I see people with that 20 wins 0 losses crap, pretty much tells me, they be facing a bunch of newbs or easy wins by premade facing solo que’ers. They don’t deserve hardly any points from that, they need some legit games, face some other good mmr players and face other premades. Having trouble finding other good mmr players and premades???
-Play during primetime, it helps with that issue.

Interesting, that player disappeared from the 1000 now.

But there is at least another with high number of games and very few points.

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

So you weren’t asking a question at all? You just wanted people to post in support of your view, which is this.

Would you be happy with any leaderboard that didn’t have you at the top of it? (Top not having to mean #1 btw)

A joke. That’s exactly what the current leadearboard is.

Lets imagine a couple of players A and B, with player A being far more skilled than B.
For simplicity, lets say we have enough population and both players are consistently matched in games where they have a 40-60% odds of winning.
If MMrs are correctly settled, results should be fairly simetric and each player would get +1 point from each one of the about 50% of games he should won. They won’t get, however, a -1 from the other half of the matches; sometimes the end score will be close and the losing player won’t get any ladder score decrease.
This not only results on an slow but steady gain of points for those who play a lot, but does it without any change on the MMR values. A and B would be confined each one on their own bracket but, even if the system is actually recognizing A as a far better player by doing so, the one with the largest amount of games would likely achieve a higher score on the leaderboards.

We know from the blog post that ladder position is taken into consideration by the matchmaking system, but we lack any information about how it’s weighted or how it interacts with the MMR.

Lets think the real MMR is slightly modified based on the leaderboard score for matchmaking purposes, which would bring the player into a different “bracket” were his odds of winning are smaller.
It would be necessary for the system to use the virtual MMR as the real one in order to calculate the odds of winning. Otherwise, the player would benefit from a less punishing reward structure and we would achieve nothing but a worse matchmaking behaviour.
What happens, however, with the other randomly assigned players in the match? For them, the system should assign odds of winning based on the real MMR value. Otherwise, a high leaderboard rated player would unfarily penalize his randomly assigned teammates and benefit the opposing team.
In the end, the system should create a match based on virtual MMR values, then assign differents odds of winning to each player based on their own virtual MMR value and the real MMR of the other ones and finally adjust real MMRs based only on real MMRs.

On top of that, ladder position is far from the only thing modifying a natural matchmaking.
For example, it makes sense to assign another virtual MMR increase for players that join grouped up. However, unlike the ladder related one, not only this increase should be taken into consideration when calculating the odds of winning for everybody (because it actually matters a lot) but probably should also be somehow used for adjusting the real MMRs after the match.

Unfortunately, not even with this can we address the skill gap between players A and B.
It only puts a limit on the score a player can get by sheer grind, providing an indirect and terrible flawed advantage to another subset of players: those who start the season with their MMR tanked.
In fact, since it looks like the ladder rating can’t go below zero, any player could purposely tank down his MMR at the very beginning of the season and then start farming points from scratch.
Maybe this is the solution … maybe MMRs should be reset at the start of a season so every player can keep gaining ladder points until they reach their natural MMR score. Does a decent leaderboard system justify, however, having absolutely terrible matches for the first days of every new season? I don’t think so.

Honestly, the old leaderboards had some serious flaws, but at least they were based on MMR, which is the core value the system itself uses for measuring player skill.
This new one … it just doesn’t make sense for anyone except maybe players/teams at the very top (the ones that actually have other means of serious competition), and even for them the exact final position is going to be nothing but a measure of grind.

Jak Shadow.2864:

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

So you weren’t asking a question at all? You just wanted people to post in support of your view, which is this.

Would you be happy with any leaderboard that didn’t have you at the top of it? (Top not having to mean #1 btw)

I would be happy with a leaderboard not rewarding ppl for losing and that’s all, and since most top players\teams only play during night prime times most of them are nowhere to be seen in this “top” ladder while, on the other end, looks pretty crowded by scrubs who just keep playing all day no matter the result

Archaon.9524:

Jak Shadow.2864:

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

So you weren’t asking a question at all? You just wanted people to post in support of your view, which is this.

Would you be happy with any leaderboard that didn’t have you at the top of it? (Top not having to mean #1 btw)

I would be happy with a leaderboard not rewarding ppl for losing and that’s all, and since most top players\teams only play during night prime times most of them are nowhere to be seen in this “top” ladder while, on the other end, looks pretty crowded by scrubs who just keep playing all day no matter the result

You should show those scrubs how scubby they are and scrub those scrubs right of that scrub lis and take the #1 scrub spot.

NeXeD.3042:

Archaon.9524:

Jak Shadow.2864:

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

So you weren’t asking a question at all? You just wanted people to post in support of your view, which is this.

Would you be happy with any leaderboard that didn’t have you at the top of it? (Top not having to mean #1 btw)

I would be happy with a leaderboard not rewarding ppl for losing and that’s all, and since most top players\teams only play during night prime times most of them are nowhere to be seen in this “top” ladder while, on the other end, looks pretty crowded by scrubs who just keep playing all day no matter the result

You should show those scrubs how scubby they are and scrub those scrubs right of that scrub lis and take the #1 scrub spot.

Already met many of them…but if you play 5 matches\day and they play 20 you can rek them every single time you face each other but they will always be over you, it’s just plain simple maths

farming wars 2 here we go

Archaon.9524:

NeXeD.3042:

Archaon.9524:

Jak Shadow.2864:

Archaon.9524:

New Leaderboards = Farm

Pretty epic for a game that is tryharding to be esportz lol

So you weren’t asking a question at all? You just wanted people to post in support of your view, which is this.

Would you be happy with any leaderboard that didn’t have you at the top of it? (Top not having to mean #1 btw)

I would be happy with a leaderboard not rewarding ppl for losing and that’s all, and since most top players\teams only play during night prime times most of them are nowhere to be seen in this “top” ladder while, on the other end, looks pretty crowded by scrubs who just keep playing all day no matter the result

You should show those scrubs how scubby they are and scrub those scrubs right of that scrub lis and take the #1 scrub spot.

Already met many of them…but if you play 5 matches\day and they play 20 you can rek them every single time you face each other but they will always be over you, it’s just plain simple maths

farming wars 2 here we go

Ya gotta play during primetime when they play and start beating them, make them get -negatives instead of +positive points.

Its point based system, if your better than them, beat them up put them in there place. If your just facing a bunch of newbies not even on the leaderboard don’t expect the top players to drop.
Top players have to face top players and beat them up collect more points and knock them off.

This leaderboard doesn’t encourage newbie farming. Like the previous one did.

You want +1 play during your newbie farming hours.
You want +3 per win, play during primetime when other good players are playing.

Formula for success in current leaderboards: “Amount of time played in MMR sweet spot”. The MMR sweet spot, where you get the fastest queue pops and gain a net amount of points, even though you went 50:50 W/L.

Exhibit A:

1) Lose 3 games, but still gained 1 point? (lol??? close games maybe?). Your MMR is now below what your true MMR is.
2) Crush noobs; gain points. MMR rises back to normal.
3) Rinse and repeat.

As always, Anet is hipster and has to do things their own way. A leaderboard that isn’t ordered on the basis of MMR is obviously not one that’s entirely based on skill.

yummcha.9456:

Formula for success in current leaderboards: “Amount of time played in MMR sweet spot”. The MMR sweet spot, where you get the fastest queue pops and gain a net amount of points, even though you went 50:50 W/L.

Exhibit A:

1) Lose 3 games, but still gained 1 point? (lol??? close games maybe?). Your MMR is now below what your true MMR is.
2) Crush noobs; gain points. MMR rises back to normal.
3) Rinse and repeat.

As always, Anet is hipster and has to do things their own way. A leaderboard that isn’t ordered on the basis of MMR is obviously not one that’s entirely based on skill.

All 3 of those were to the same team, whose pvp record was about 41-1 at the time. On that note we had lost 3 more games to them the hour before that and didn’t go up and we didn’t fall since we fell within the ‘reasonable threshold’. The +1 we gained from that was probably our match that ended 470-480 where the timer ended the match.

Plus we had 1-2 players who had not played in months with probably significantly lower MMR so as to tip the scale to get us a point even if we scored almost enough for a victory but still lost.

There’s a lot of flaws in the system, and particularly having to fight the same team 6 times in a row (actually 8 since we played and lost to them 2 more times after that). So I am not complaining that I got +1 from 3 hours of playing… and anyone who tries that hard deserves even that little of compensation for time investment. That being said, I completely disagree with how the current LB is set up, and that they’re doing rewards.

For example, when I was at 56 wins, 12 losses, Cover girl was ahead of me by 5-10 points with ~36 wins and ~25 losses… Why do I have to win nearly TWICE as many games, and have to win significantly more of them to just try to catch up to that? It seems stacked against people who have strong MMR’s coming into the ladder.

yummcha.9456:

1) Lose 3 games, but still gained 1 point? (lol??? close games maybe?). Your MMR is now below what your true MMR is.

yummcha,

Their MMR would not go down for the loss if the matcher expected them to lose. And even more so if they made the game close.

You are not understanding how MMR works.

When you play a higher MMR team and lose, your MMR is not changed. Especially if the matcher has seen you in a lot of games and is “confident” about your MMR.

Lux.7169:

yummcha.9456:

Formula for success in current leaderboards: “Amount of time played in MMR sweet spot”. The MMR sweet spot, where you get the fastest queue pops and gain a net amount of points, even though you went 50:50 W/L.

Exhibit A:

1) Lose 3 games, but still gained 1 point? (lol??? close games maybe?). Your MMR is now below what your true MMR is.
2) Crush noobs; gain points. MMR rises back to normal.
3) Rinse and repeat.

As always, Anet is hipster and has to do things their own way. A leaderboard that isn’t ordered on the basis of MMR is obviously not one that’s entirely based on skill.

All 3 of those were to the same team, whose pvp record was about 41-1 at the time. On that note we had lost 3 more games to them the hour before that and didn’t go up and we didn’t fall since we fell within the ‘reasonable threshold’. The +1 we gained from that was probably our match that ended 470-480 where the timer ended the match.

Plus we had 1-2 players who had not played in months with probably significantly lower MMR so as to tip the scale to get us a point even if we scored almost enough for a victory but still lost.

There’s a lot of flaws in the system, and particularly having to fight the same team 6 times in a row (actually 8 since we played and lost to them 2 more times after that). So I am not complaining that I got +1 from 3 hours of playing… and anyone who tries that hard deserves even that little of compensation for time investment. That being said, I completely disagree with how the current LB is set up, and that they’re doing rewards.

For example, when I was at 56 wins, 12 losses, Cover girl was ahead of me by 5-10 points with ~36 wins and ~25 losses… Why do I have to win nearly TWICE as many games, and have to win significantly more of them to just try to catch up to that? It seems stacked against people who have strong MMR’s coming into the ladder.

Hi Lux – yeah the rewards attract people with very little pvp experience but maybe that’s okay if they are willing to learn and help prop up the pvp population. I still havent figured out the all the variables that affect this LB Since you’ve mentioned Cover Girl’s rank, my best guess is that the system gives extra credit to solo queue players.

On the first day this was implemented, Cover Girl, who queued solo at the time was in my team. I think everyone from that match queued solo and it was a 5v5, one guy left before I took the screenie. So I’m thinking she may have defeated a few teams that were premade and that may have given her the boost in ranking.

To get into high position of this grinding arena leaderboard, my calculation is that approximate 25% skill and 75% time played is required.

I think many aren’t understanding how the new leaderboard is working :
- a point system clearly indicates that the leaderboard is based on the long term, you can’t evaluate it after a few days
- every opponent is different. If the top player has 50 points with 30 wins and 50 loses, this means he probably had many fights against better opponents. Alternatively, if some player has 40 points with 40 wins and 0 loses, it means he probably just faced beginners as a premade( thus +1 for all). The situation will reverse, again, on the long term though, as the top player will get -3 or so from loses..

Front leaderboard page, just lol xD

If all of you are so sure that the leaderboards are bad and you are so much better than the higher ranking person…. you could… I mean well…. you could enter into a tournament…. for those of you that choose not too and continue to play solo THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.

Dustin.2793:

Front leaderboard page, just lol xD

Somebody just mad they aint on it.

Sorry but avoiding good players and only playing against newbs doesn’t bring you to top 25 anymore.

Playing 2 games a week doesn’t keep you up there anymore either.

Nothing but good changes on this leaderboard.

I’m glad it works something like you play during primetime win 3 games get +2s and +3s and lose 2 games and get +1 so 5 games total be +8 or +9 and +2, +10 or +11 total.

While those preppy popular kids farming newbies at odd hours, play 5 games, win all 5 and get +1, making them +5.

You play against crap you get crap results on leaderboard.
You play against good players, you get good results on leaderboard.

Yall need to stop whining you don’t have the easymode out anymore.

You know ostrich eggs? well I’ve had a few run ins with him during solo que, he plays during primetime. Guess what hes on the top 25. He don’t farm newbies all day. And he doesn’t have a perfect score so don’t go around thinking you better than everyone else because you won WTS. He won WTS too and he’s been beaten a few times.
Those people with 20+ wins 0 losses, bunch of baloney. Nothing but newb farming because I don’t see other good players with 20 losses due to your beatdown. Those good players out there would break your perfect scores.

Points based on real games, no more cheesemode I beat the system and therefore #1 on leaderboards type games. I’m HAPPY that they finally have something that is a result of real games rather than people trying to cheat the system.

Except that right now top leaderboard players are likely the ones advancing their MMR the most, I.E. winning poorly predicted games.

The good thing about the system is that you’re going to have to play consistently all season to be on top. I’ll be very surprised if the leaderboard looks anything like it does right now in 1 week.

I’m still not sure if the games played vs. skill balance will be right, but we’ll see in the coming weeks.

Why reward “top na teams” if they only play 1 game a week? This isn’t the previous leader boards. This isn’t a tournament. It’s a pvp season.
That said, teams/players who are consistently getting that 400+ point margin shouldn’t earn a point if they have (obviously) high mmr, or, high on the leaderboards. Shouldn’t LB rank 1 already give you high mmr? I’ll let the devs handle the data and recalculate what ever they need to recalculate from this test season.

It’s not a grind. It’s being consistent. If these players stop playing, they risk losing that position. If they aren’t winning, they risk losing that position. There are numerous teams and players who are doing what the current top rank 25 player’s are doing. Just inconsistently so.

Regardless, ESL tournaments and the like will reward you not just fame, but an all around bigger payout. Why give these players automatic top 5 on leaderboards?
Edited: Actually, that would be a good idea. Tournament can give +10 rank points or something.

uberkingkong.8041:

Dustin.2793:

Front leaderboard page, just lol xD

Somebody just mad they aint on it.

Sorry but avoiding good players and only playing against newbs doesn’t bring you to top 25 anymore.

Playing 2 games a week doesn’t keep you up there anymore either.

Nothing but good changes on this leaderboard.

I’m glad it works something like you play during primetime win 3 games get +2s and +3s and lose 2 games and get +1 so 5 games total be +8 or +9 and +2, +10 or +11 total.

While those preppy popular kids farming newbies at odd hours, play 5 games, win all 5 and get +1, making them +5.

You play against crap you get crap results on leaderboard.
You play against good players, you get good results on leaderboard.

Yall need to stop whining you don’t have the easymode out anymore.

You know ostrich eggs? well I’ve had a few run ins with him during solo que, he plays during primetime. Guess what hes on the top 25. He don’t farm newbies all day. And he doesn’t have a perfect score so don’t go around thinking you better than everyone else because you won WTS. He won WTS too and he’s been beaten a few times.
Those people with 20+ wins 0 losses, bunch of baloney. Nothing but newb farming because I don’t see other good players with 20 losses due to your beatdown. Those good players out there would break your perfect scores.

Points based on real games, no more cheesemode I beat the system and therefore #1 on leaderboards type games. I’m HAPPY that they finally have something that is a result of real games rather than people trying to cheat the system.

or i’m actually not a virgin and will not play 1000 games a week. Pass your girl this way and ill show you what farming is.

Haha

Are you suggesting the board is a virginity ranker? xD

uberkingkong.8041:

Dustin.2793:

Front leaderboard page, just lol xD

Somebody just mad they aint on it.

Sorry but avoiding good players and only playing against newbs doesn’t bring you to top 25 anymore.

Playing 2 games a week doesn’t keep you up there anymore either.

Nothing but good changes on this leaderboard.

I’m glad it works something like you play during primetime win 3 games get +2s and +3s and lose 2 games and get +1 so 5 games total be +8 or +9 and +2, +10 or +11 total.

While those preppy popular kids farming newbies at odd hours, play 5 games, win all 5 and get +1, making them +5.

You play against crap you get crap results on leaderboard.
You play against good players, you get good results on leaderboard.

Yall need to stop whining you don’t have the easymode out anymore.

You know ostrich eggs? well I’ve had a few run ins with him during solo que, he plays during primetime. Guess what hes on the top 25. He don’t farm newbies all day. And he doesn’t have a perfect score so don’t go around thinking you better than everyone else because you won WTS. He won WTS too and he’s been beaten a few times.
Those people with 20+ wins 0 losses, bunch of baloney. Nothing but newb farming because I don’t see other good players with 20 losses due to your beatdown. Those good players out there would break your perfect scores.

Points based on real games, no more cheesemode I beat the system and therefore #1 on leaderboards type games. I’m HAPPY that they finally have something that is a result of real games rather than people trying to cheat the system.

I bet those same people you dislike so much keep winning the only things that matter, and I bet the new leaderboard people flame out very quickly (maybe a few make it). You can be ranked higher than “those frat boys” but they will still be the ones winning tournaments.