Guild Wars 2

So, im thinking that a lot of the problems with class stacking, is due to people not wanting to switch classes or change their current loadout to complement the team, or counterbuild the enemy.

Im no expert at this and i know newer players, have absolutely no clue, so maybe we can bring some pointers here, as to what to pick against the enemy team and why?

I think it could be really informative for a lot of players.

Keep it constructive and dont deteriorate it into DH hate etc. please

When I hold a point on eng I fear little but necromancer is one that I scream help with as I myself struggle vs them, not all as I am skilled enough to own a noob that’s my counter. But when I care about the point and do not want to play kite I find necromancer is my counter on eng. When I play thf I find revs and necromancer the most easy to kill. On my eng I with my build find I counter rangers thfs and grds ( not so much a burning grds. But this is my counters to confirm these as being hard counters I would need people to agree with me.

When I’m on my Necro, I love coming across a lone Engi. Really, I just love fighting any boon-heavy class. I’m all like, that’s some nice boons you have there, aaaaaaaaaaand now you have aids. ;-P

Nice!

I heard ROM on stream, talking about druid and their counters.

He said druid was good against most things but it hates condi classes, he specificly mentions condi war and condi necro as the best counters, but he said any condi focused build should be good.

Druids apparently have a hard time countering a ton of conditions.

Yeah, played Druid quite a bit and definitely always had a hard time with condi builds. You just wait for them to drop celestial avatar then condi bomb them.

On Scrapper, it is hard to fight against boon corrupt and heavy condi builds as well.

On Reaper, ranged power builds and heavy cc gives me the most problems.

Not experienced enough with the rest.

DH > all

I had to.

But really…

DH > Mesmer, Daredevil, ?
Berserker > Chrono, Tempest, Reaper, DH
Druid > DH, ?
Daredevil > Tempest, Herald, Druid,
Reaper > Herald, Scrapper, Tempest, Druid
Herald > ?
Tempest > DH (used to be other way around when traps dazed with the trait),
Chrono > Tempest, Druid, Herald
Scrapper > Tempest, Druid, DH

This list is based on experience, logic and plain facts. It’s also based only on meta builds. It’s also incomplete because professions, such as Rev, I’m just unsure about.

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DH > all

I had to.

But really…

DH > Mesmer, Daredevil, ?
Berserker > Chrono, Tempest, Reaper, DH
Druid > DH, ?
Daredevil > Tempest, Herald, Druid,
Reaper > Herald, Scrapper, Tempest, Druid
Herald > ?
Tempest > DH (used to be other way around when traps dazed with the trait),
Chrono > Tempest, Druid, Herald
Scrapper > Tempest, Druid, DH

This list is based on experience, logic and plain facts. It’s also based only on meta builds. It’s also incomplete because professions, such as Rev, I’m just unsure about.

At high levels of play, in 1v1 (or small-scale fights), DH has some soft-counters or close calls:

-Staff/Acro Daredevil (it takes a while but DH really doesn’t have the utility to put one of these down whereas DD can interrupt DH heals regularly).

-Power Rev: Maybe not now after those nonsense nerfs… but as of last patch (and currently still in WvW) a power-based rev can take out a DH.

-Power berserker with Might Signet: Unless the DH notices and respects that signet, a good berserker will burst down the average and even above average DH. Close match if both are very skilled and knowledgable.

-Condition Chronomancer: Not sure of the exact build but I imagine it’s something similar to what Helseth runs (change out portal for Decoy or Mirror Images). This is more applicable to duels rather than playing as part of an organized team though.

-Shout-trooper druid: Sort of a drawn out fight but a DH simply does not have the CC to deal with these and their burst cannot overcome druid’s kiting + stealth + healing whereas druid’s pet skills and staff auto will inevitably wear down DH’s sustain.

power dh> thf and mes
power thf> rev, mes, necro, ele
power rev> dh, ele, necro (needs the drop)
support ele>dh, engi, rng
bruiser engi> dh, thf, rev
bruiser rng>dh, thf, rev,
condi mes> rev, rng (maybe), engi (maybe)
condi necro> engi, rng, dh (maybe), ele (maybe)
condi war> ele, rev, mes (maybe), thf (maybe), rng, engi (maybe?), necro (maybe)

hmm, it seems i think condi war is too OP, but i honestly don’t think it’s that strong. too easy to kite. It’s just that it gets to keep the point during the fight i suppose since you gotta avoid skullgrinder if you don’t have enough stability (which is why i am not so sure if engis should have such a problem with condi wars).

edit: i just noticed i didn’t put anything that counters warrior. anybody know what counters it?

Good stuff guys.

So if people really wanna fight against their dreaded stacked DH teams, they should learn their druids, engineers and Ele’s ?

2 of theese is support, why is it that druid is good against DH? is it because of the ranged power damage? do we have any other ranged power damage meta spec at all atm?

I know rev used to be their counter and them being played much less, is maybe one of the reasons guard presence is felt a lot more.

Also interesting that we havent found a counter for warrior yet, which is also prolly one of the reasons its working so well atm, maybe power rev was their counter too.

The forum is full of know it all’s, slinging stuff like bring the counter, or just counter this and that, why are they not in here teaching all of us about theese counters?

Come senpai’s teach us ! :P

I’m quite new to the PvP scene, so go easy on me, please – but what is a DH?

power rev was the warrior counter or better it often took the warriors place due to offering boon support and good mobility with very high power damage. After the nerf reve is now balaced and abandoned due to being less tanky in solo Q then warrior.
I play off meta ele with sage so some counters don´t fit for me some do.

I basically counter all DH builds only bunker symbol i won´t call a counter because its to long fights.
For my build the thief or revenant countering me is not aplicable i kill them.
I struggle against necros especially in teamfighs they are my counter.
Mesmes are very hard for me to fight i loose more then i win.
Other ele and devensive druids are stalmates.
Engi is very long but i win.
Warrior… Can´t kill them if he can play but they can wear me down. But since fights are very long I won´t say it´s a hard counter to me.

I say you don´t need to change the class. Often you can adapt your build to perform better. Yes it´s important to be flexible but if you truly know your class and adapt it you win more.

I slighly adapt to the oposing team.
My build basically counters three classes (DH, Reve,thief) and since one is DH it´s currently powerful.
Then i basically stalemate (or at least stall) 4 other. (ele,engi,druid,war)
And two are bad matchups. (necro, mesmer)
I count that as good.

As a note: Countering a good thief is maybe not possible, because a good thief will disengage and only strike for the kill in bad situations or solid +1. I can kill a thief quite fast even when at 50% i usually win that but i also often die to them striking in worst moments ;-).

I wouldn’t say ele counters DH or at least if the ele is in a 1v1 at all the ele has already lost the fight if their support as their place is helping allies not holding a point.

Tempest is countered by mace warrior, necro, any semi skilled focus, lots of CC renders the ele impotent.

Condi mesmer is much more of a dueler but it’s hard to say what they counter or don’t counter. I guess you can say they counter necro, druid and revenant and anything that doesn’t have much condi cleanse and for others it’s dependant on if they can moa burst or not as it can change an unfavorable match up to a win.

DH and warriors counter mesmer pretty well as the traps kill shatters before they hit then they can do a block rotation, invuln, block again while pewpewing the mesmer and the warrior can proceed cleansing ire/adrenal healing off clones. Menders engy counters mesmer pretty well too and a decent thief can go toe to toe with the mesmer so long as they don’t tank shatters. Ele shouldn’t be in a 1v1 so the point is moot on them but outside of moa it’ll take a while to kill or the ele will just stall forever.

condi burst warrrior is good at taking out necro, tank ele, and engineers (if they don’t use hammer to block everything).

power warrior traited with cleansing ire is good at taking out condi warrior.

Those are the only things I can safely say atm.

Alot are saying druid is weak against condi. My experience is that they ‘suffer’ to condi damage but they are good at stopping it and regening any damage. Hard to solo snipe them with condi warrior in a group fight….they can totally clear the condi’s, break free of stun chains, and regen spam. Takes alot of time, that should be spent elsewhere since druid can aoe assist others in the area. Best to focus burst druids with 2 condi users. maybe in a 1v1 situation condi warriors eventually get the upper hand….but it takes too long to make it a hard counter

And what counters condi warrior? Generally prolonged condition or boonstrips, most won’t run cleansing ire and rely on resistance upkeep to survive. I mean to counter any warrior…its a case of knowing whether they go rousing resilience of cleansing ire…..but condition warriors are generally weaker to conditions than power warriors due to lack of discipline line or if they go bow a lack of mobility. Power warriors are bunkers….condi warriors are much more squishy.
Thiefs are also good killers if the condi warrior isn’t running a bow to maintain pressure. Mesmers…..again, only through condi and boonstrips, but good ones are effective. Or generally if you just block/dodge/kite alot when one starts focusing you, ya should be good.

Just my opinion but I find condition warriors alot more manageable than power ones are. The power ones…you know thier aresenal, you know how many blocks and evades and invulnerabilities and mobility and clears and bursts they have…there won’t be an easy way to take one down. The condi warriors though have more obvious weaknesses….they could be in no particular grouping: no fast hands, limited resistance uptime, cd on their main burst, inability to build adrenaline for multiple f2’s, inability to clear conditions, no stability, their stun breaks are tied to their headbutts (making them break stun means a wasted headbutt, you can exhaust the rest of their burst by wasting their stunbreaks and then ccing hard), single target mentality….they will chain on singular targets (longbow when equipped being the exception with firefields), their reliance on stuns to deliver a burst (they stun/daze you over and over so you can’t condi clear the 8 conditions they apply), limited mobility with either 100% or 125% movespeed and they may or might not have sword2 (more niche ones miight run bullsrush….same with power warriors, something to watch for), awkward cooldowns where they have to spam very low damage attacks (mace1,sword1,bow1) and wait for the rest of their burst to come off cd (they feel pretty useless and out of place when this happens, especially compared to power warrior and the gs cleave power).

Just pick one that applies and interrupt/exploit it in some way….and the condi warrior will suffer.