So i have heard many things about the mesmer recently and since it’s my main class i can confirm that people think mesmer is the most useless class in tournaments at the moment
they feel like the only reason to bring mesmer to a tournament is because he has portal
the truth is..the only way you can survive the current meta with mesmer is to use AT LEAST 2 of your utility spots for yourself..
Still there are a lot of people complaining when you do this
let people keep thinking mesmer is useless. its all good tho. because we can pretty much hold a point. and pick people off better than pretty much any other class right now.. say what you wanna say but its terribly true. Im not going to say we are invincible atm. but we arnt an easy class to go up against in pvp. And asmuch nerfs as we had ? and we are still viable.. period its sad .
This is my condition confusion build for tpvp ive even gotten confusion to tick for 2.3k damage its pretty freakin hilarious lol
They get downed so fast they have no idea what even happened i had one warrior on map chat that said i was hacking and he was reporting me and taking screenshots i would love to see them xD. I guess he was mad he died. but hey.. thats what u get for using hundred blades with 11 stacks of confusion on u lol.
But anyway another thing about my build is IC if an enemy hits u with that block up.. that torment.. is going to literally. do some crazy damage.. especially when u have stacked up 25 stacks of corruption lol.. it maxes out i think at like 5.4k.
top 100 is basically a lie.. I have a friend who spirit rangered his way up there and just basically stopped playing, still on top after like a week.. IF you look at it it’s a lot of people who don’t actually play the game but won a few matches and then stopped.
let people keep thinking mesmer is useless. its all good tho. because we can pretty much hold a point. and pick people off better than pretty much any other class right now.. say what you wanna say but its terribly true. Im not going to say we are invincible atm. but we arnt an easy class to go up against in pvp. And asmuch nerfs as we had ? and we are still viable.. period its sad .
This is my condition confusion build for tpvp ive even gotten confusion to tick for 2.3k damage its pretty freakin hilarious lol
They get downed so fast they have no idea what even happened i had one warrior on map chat that said i was hacking and he was reporting me and taking screenshots i would love to see them xD. I guess he was mad he died. but hey.. thats what u get for using hundred blades with 11 stacks of confusion on u lol.
But anyway another thing about my build is IC if an enemy hits u with that block up.. that torment.. is going to literally. do some crazy damage.. especially when u have stacked up 25 stacks of corruption lol.. it maxes out i think at like 5.4k.
If the meta shifts again towards power/balance, they will become king again.. after all they have the cheapest class mechanic, easiest access to stuns, burst, boon hate, stun breaks, ports, etc… they just lack that condi removal to be in this meta!
Darnis cause you a smart memser the other 99% of mesmers wanna run standar shatter, no condi clear, and instead of adapting their build, they rather just QQ on forums so they can continue to play the same build they been playing since beta…
Darnis cause you a smart memser the other 99% of mesmers wanna run standar shatter, no condi clear, and instead of adapting their build, they rather just QQ on forums so they can continue to play the same build they been playing since beta…
actually i do run condition clear at all time. as a wvw player i am kinda used to bring it with me, but as i am not a shatterer i cant spec into the cleanse on shatter and have to use my utilities instead and they do have quite the cooldowns.
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The torch trait is amazing. I run a condi confusion mesmer in tpvp and i do fine. The torch trait gives you all the cleanse you need and its only really fun from your necro buddy to epidemic 20 stacks of confusion.
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The torch trait is amazing. I run a condi confusion mesmer in tpvp and i do fine. The torch trait gives you all the cleanse you need and its only really fun from your necro buddy to epidemic 20 stacks of confusion.
20 stacks of confusion!?
by all Six Gods, please teach me how to do that so I can
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I’m not really an expert on Mesmers since as a Warrior I basically know how the current meta builds work and that’s about it but when I look at their traits I see 4 traits that remove conditions and several skills that remove conditions as well. Wouldn’t it be possible to do something similar to what us Warriors did and make a build designed around condition removal? Like I said I’ve never found the class particularly enjoyable to play so I have no idea.
It just seems like Mesmers are going through a similar phase that warriors did, everyone wanted to run glass cannon with all offensive traits and utilities when it was clear that it wouldn’t work. Of course, back then we had very little condition removal but once that improved with the addition of Cleansing Ire and the changes to Zerker Stance we started building to counter the conditions meta and now Necros and Spirit Rangers are not a big threat to us. Granted we still don’t see much high level play but things have gotten significantly better for us since launch.
As a Warrior I may hate Mesmers but I also don’t like them being considered useless because us Warriors know how that feels. I just say try to build to counter the meta rather than trying to be a part of it.
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Mhm wait…mesmer are OP versus which power classes in the meta?? CC-Warri? s/d Thief? Spirit Ranger (Ok benefit from power and condition dmg)? I would say only versus an ele it’s a fair match up..
Actually, running a phantasm build with cleanse on shatter, I’m doing fine.
The problem is that most of the ppl think that if you use phantasms, you are not supposed to shatter…
Mhm wait…mesmer are OP versus which power classes in the meta?? CC-Warri? s/d Thief? Spirit Ranger (Ok benefit from power and condition dmg)? I would say only versus an ele it’s a fair match up..
so… you’re saying a Mesmer who can strip boons (stab), can’t kite around and stun/daze a warrior while phantasm do all the pew pew ? interesting..
and… well unless you’re fighting a non human like jumper, it is extremily easy to predict when the evade will end, and burst them down.
Darnis cause you a smart memser the other 99% of mesmers wanna run standar shatter, no condi clear, and instead of adapting their build, they rather just QQ on forums so they can continue to play the same build they been playing since beta…
maybe you can see in the picture that i actually use a condition remove and thats not even the topic..i adapted to the meta still mesmer seems pretty useless atm
and i wanna see u playing a mesmer with full condi remove vs my team we would oneshot it
Actually, running a phantasm build with cleanse on shatter, I’m doing fine.
The problem is that most of the ppl think that if you use phantasms, you are not supposed to shatter…
Because there’s no point if you run a true phantasm build and not a hybrid of both. Since IC nerf there even less point to shatter on a phantasm build.
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
Even with my above comments about condy-clears..
I would say that mesmer is definitely underperforming at the moment..
I don’t think there is really any situation that I could not be doing better in as a necro/spiritRanger/Ccwarrior and even most cases Thief (although they can’t node guard as well as I can).
I would say that mesmer is definitely underperforming at the moment..
Nope. Its the condition meta that’s overperforming, that’s all.
The Mesmer is in no way a weak class, not in terms of defensive or offensive power. Its not even weak for condition removal, you have plenty of options. Problem is there is still no way to keep up with say a condition necro. Cleanse 5 conditions, you’ll still have 5 more up in 1 sec and a 10s chainfear to look forward to. Offensive conditions arent weak its just very… random.
The reason why they are useless in organized PvP is because:
- There are better condition classes that can spec for alot more survival while keeping offensive strength (Necro, Ranger, Engineer)
- There are better troll classes when you really want that dps burst (Thief)
- There are far better bunkers when they need to stay on a point (Guardian/Warrior)
- Hell even the entire design of PvP is against the Mesmer, because the way to win is to stay on a point and a Mesmer need to move around alot to win. 2x the capping radius and suddenly evasive classes would be able to at least contest/defend points reliably.
Because there’s no point if you run a true phantasm build and not a hybrid of both. Since IC nerf there even less point to shatter on a phantasm build.
Well, it is clear that to avoid shattering the phantasms, it is needed some clone generation skill/trait like deceptive evasion and mirror image.
After that, the point is only how good is your knowledge of the class you are playing against, to time the phantasms well.
For instance if you know that a class is more likely to hit you with tons of conditions at the beginning of the fight, then you can start spatial surge and mirror blade to give some pressure and generate some clone (gs helps a lot to increase the damage and the Iberserker is fantastic), wait for the condition burst, shatter, mirror image, shatter and at this point start summoning the phantasm.
I hear almost every match in soloq..ohh why you play mesmer? Can you chance the profession pls?
But i think mesmer is still a nice supporter (illusion/portal..) and suit in certainly teams. I reached today in the ladder rank 57 with ONLY play mesmer….
As a thief i can say that a good player playing conditions mesmer (the one that constantly also disappear and breaks root and stunt) is almost impossible to kill.
Mesmer phantom (i think) hits like a truck but also has low hp pool and defense how is suppous to be.
The only problem with mesmer to me is the same problem with the current meta . . . conditional based builds with great survivable.
As a thief i can say that a good player playing conditions mesmer (the one that constantly also disappear and breaks root and stunt) is almost impossible to kill.
Mesmer phantom (i think) hits like a truck but also has low hp pool and defense how is suppous to be.
The only problem with mesmer to me is the same problem with the current meta . . . conditional based builds with great survivable.
Sorry but you, as a thief, use the same exact survivability technique as the condi mesmer. Stealthing.
The phantasm you’re referring to is the iduelist. It does hit like a truck, if specced into power/precision. The condi mesmer spec does not spec into power.
Condition builds should have higher survivability, since it’s damage over time. Meaning it takes (or should) more time to take down an opponent. A high burst/highly survivable build/profession would be rather overpowered. (old d/d ele, anyone?).
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For all intents and purposes, I’ll slightly elaborate.
The new condition mesmer cropping up (I use it as my main now, don’t judge me) is very strong. However, one of it’s key strengths right now is the unfamiliarity with it that most players facing it have. I frequent the “dueling arenas” in the game browser and can tell you that 1v1, it will faceroll people before they know what’s happening.
However, the build can be counterplayed and when dueling mesmers using the same or a similar build, things can get very intense, as they are familiar with the build.
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the problem is with all the new builds coming up almost none of them is tourny top 100 viable and thats where i am around atm so if i want to play mesmer it has to be kind of the old shatter specc..
As a thief i can say that a good player playing conditions mesmer (the one that constantly also disappear and breaks root and stunt) is almost impossible to kill.
Mesmer phantom (i think) hits like a truck but also has low hp pool and defense how is suppous to be.
The only problem with mesmer to me is the same problem with the current meta . . . conditional based builds with great survivable.
Sorry but you, as a thief, use the same exact survivability technique as the condi mesmer. Stealthing.
The phantasm you’re referring to is the iduelist. It does hit like a truck, if specced into power/precision. The condi mesmer spec does not spec into power.
Condition builds should have higher survivability, since it’s damage over time. Meaning it takes (or should) more time to take down an opponent. A high burst/highly survivable build/profession would be rather overpowered. (old d/d ele, anyone?).
Yup i use stealth but i don’t have 5 copies of me hitting you constantly.
As a thief i can say that a good player playing conditions mesmer (the one that constantly also disappear and breaks root and stunt) is almost impossible to kill.
Mesmer phantom (i think) hits like a truck but also has low hp pool and defense how is suppous to be.
The only problem with mesmer to me is the same problem with the current meta . . . conditional based builds with great survivable.
Sorry but you, as a thief, use the same exact survivability technique as the condi mesmer. Stealthing.
The phantasm you’re referring to is the iduelist. It does hit like a truck, if specced into power/precision. The condi mesmer spec does not spec into power.
Condition builds should have higher survivability, since it’s damage over time. Meaning it takes (or should) more time to take down an opponent. A high burst/highly survivable build/profession would be rather overpowered. (old d/d ele, anyone?).
Yup i use stealth but i don’t have 5 copies of me hitting you constantly.
Well… in order for the build to work the phantasms have to be up. The clones do like what, 9 damage? lol?
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the other 99% of mesmers wanna run standar shatter, no condi clear, and instead of adapting their build, they rather just QQ on forums so they can continue to play the same build they been playing since beta…
atm r45..nothing is impossible