Guild Wars 2

By static, I mean “In place”, like Pistol Whip or Blurred Frenzy.

3 separate times, just today, I’ve been hit with some sort of direct effect in the middle of Pistol Whip.

I’m not talking about an effect hitting me at the beginning or ending of PW – right in the middle of my sword swings, I’m stunned or downed by direct effects (IE, Not downed by condition damage).

My connection is running between 40-90 ping (i’ve monitored it extensively, the numbers don’t variate from that). So what gives? Why are effects hitting me right in the middle of a guaranteed evade? I brought it up in a couple of hotjoin’s, and other classes (mostly mesmers) brought up encountering the same problem – some direct effect hitting them in the middle of an evade skill.

So, other PvPers, have you noticed this?

Anet, what gives?

Could it be that you were hitting an Ele using Shocking Aura, or someone that had retal up? I know Retal goes through evades and still does damage, and although I don’t know for certain, I think the effect of Shocking Aura goes through evades as well.

NinjaYoshi.3429:

Could it be that you were hitting an Ele using Shocking Aura, or someone that had retal up? I know Retal goes through evades and still does damage, and although I don’t know for certain, I think the effect of Shocking Aura goes through evades as well.

Shocking Aura might have been the cause of of the stun – I don’t think it was, but I can’t say for sure, so I’m willing to assume that was the case.

For the damage however, It’s not possible – I dropped from 4k hp to dead in the blink of an eye – Retal can’t do that. I’ve been running hotjoins since I posted this, and it’s happened again – I watched 2.5k HP disappear in the flash of an eye mid PW – perhaps Retal and slow server reporting was the culprit here, but I’m being generous with that – it looked more like a single hit dropped my HP.

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

evasion skills are ridiculous anyway.

evilapprentice.6379:

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

Could have died to someone with high ping. Getting stunned during your normal evades, that’s the fun part of this game. Wish I had 40-90 ping, even just for 1 day :/

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

Could have died to someone with high ping. Getting stunned during your normal evades, that’s the fun part of this game. Wish I had 40-90 ping, even just for 1 day :/

It’s not regular – I pay for battleping because the game is basically unplayable without it. Without battleping, I float around 80-110, with 150-200 spikes… which for a thief, is unacceptable. If my skills don’t fire within 50ms of when I hit them, I might lose half my health.

I’m willing to accept maybe I’m missing something/ at fault some of these times – but 6 times? I didn’t miss something 6 times – something is definitely up.

Check your damage chat log to see what killed you.

Are you seeing anything in your combat log? If it’s direct damage, there should be a damage entry between your hits of Pistol Whip.

PW’s evade frames don’t begin right after the stun.
Now that being said yeah some abilities do go through evade. Im pretty sure the Fear Rune goes through evades so if you hit them and it procs it doesnt care if you are evading.

More than a handful of times I PW a necro, and the fear on stun proc has already been triggered but I get feared again and the only explanation is the runes of….undead or nightmare whichever it’s called.

evilapprentice.6379:

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

Could have died to someone with high ping. Getting stunned during your normal evades, that’s the fun part of this game. Wish I had 40-90 ping, even just for 1 day :/

It’s not regular – I pay for battleping because the game is basically unplayable without it. Without battleping, I float around 80-110, with 150-200 spikes… which for a thief, is unacceptable. If my skills don’t fire within 50ms of when I hit them, I might lose half my health.

I’m willing to accept maybe I’m missing something/ at fault some of these times – but 6 times? I didn’t miss something 6 times – something is definitely up.

WHAT!!!!
I sit about 300-400 with 500-600 spikes. (200 on a very very very very very very od chance, usually 250). 250 with Battle ping, which I refuse to pay for.

ensoriki.5789:

PW’s evade frames don’t begin right after the stun.
Now that being said yeah some abilities do go through evade. Im pretty sure the Fear Rune goes through evades so if you hit them and it procs it doesnt care if you are evading.

More than a handful of times I PW a necro, and the fear on stun proc has already been triggered but I get feared again and the only explanation is the runes of….undead or nightmare whichever it’s called.

I’m not talking about the beginning of PW – I’ve had this happen a few times toward the beginning or end of PW, and discounted it as a combination of the ability not starting/being over, and a bit of lag.

When I say 6 separate times, I mean directly in the middle – I’ve been swinging away, I still have a few swings left in the animation, and BAM, I’m dropped by direct damage. Every time I’ve checked the combat log for conditions and nothing – on at least 3 of those occasions, no condition was dropping me as instantly as it did (losing 3-5k HP Mid PW animation).

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

Could have died to someone with high ping. Getting stunned during your normal evades, that’s the fun part of this game. Wish I had 40-90 ping, even just for 1 day :/

It’s not regular – I pay for battleping because the game is basically unplayable without it. Without battleping, I float around 80-110, with 150-200 spikes… which for a thief, is unacceptable. If my skills don’t fire within 50ms of when I hit them, I might lose half my health.

I’m willing to accept maybe I’m missing something/ at fault some of these times – but 6 times? I didn’t miss something 6 times – something is definitely up.

WHAT!!!!
I sit about 300-400 with 500-600 spikes. (200 on a very very very very very very od chance, usually 250). 250 with Battle ping, which I refuse to pay for.

How do you play? That’s not me being an kitten, I’m honestly curious. As a thief, I don’t have the luxury of an ability not going off til .3 – .5 seconds after I hit it.

Pistol whip can easily mess you up on retal. It’s an aoe cleave attack, hitting 3 targets 9 times each for a total of 27 hits. If you take 230 damage from each proc, you will receive a total of 6,210 damage purely from retaliation.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Pistol whip can easily mess you up on retal. It’s an aoe cleave attack, hitting 3 targets 9 times each for a total of 27 hits. If you take 230 damage from each proc, you will receive a total of 6,210 damage purely from retaliation.

I appreciate the info, but I understand that – my health isn’t steadily declining, it’s disappearing in a big chunk. Perhaps server lag is the culprit? Again, my ping is generally pretty good, I don’t imagine 4k damage happening all in the span of .25s

evilapprentice.6379:

ensoriki.5789:

PW’s evade frames don’t begin right after the stun.
Now that being said yeah some abilities do go through evade. Im pretty sure the Fear Rune goes through evades so if you hit them and it procs it doesnt care if you are evading.

More than a handful of times I PW a necro, and the fear on stun proc has already been triggered but I get feared again and the only explanation is the runes of….undead or nightmare whichever it’s called.

I’m not talking about the beginning of PW – I’ve had this happen a few times toward the beginning or end of PW, and discounted it as a combination of the ability not starting/being over, and a bit of lag.

When I say 6 separate times, I mean directly in the middle – I’ve been swinging away, I still have a few swings left in the animation, and BAM, I’m dropped by direct damage. Every time I’ve checked the combat log for conditions and nothing – on at least 3 of those occasions, no condition was dropping me as instantly as it did (losing 3-5k HP Mid PW animation).

That’s odd. If it’s not lag, check if Rune of Air is going through the evade. Im sure Nightmare goes through it so given the same situation air might, but last time I saw Sigil of air I was too occupied to take note if I took damage or not.

evilapprentice.6379:

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

TGSlasher.1458:

evilapprentice.6379:

Sixth time.
Sixth time today, I’ve been dropped by direct damage mid evade.
Did the definition of Evade change while I was gone for a month? WTF is this anet?

Could have died to someone with high ping. Getting stunned during your normal evades, that’s the fun part of this game. Wish I had 40-90 ping, even just for 1 day :/

It’s not regular – I pay for battleping because the game is basically unplayable without it. Without battleping, I float around 80-110, with 150-200 spikes… which for a thief, is unacceptable. If my skills don’t fire within 50ms of when I hit them, I might lose half my health.

I’m willing to accept maybe I’m missing something/ at fault some of these times – but 6 times? I didn’t miss something 6 times – something is definitely up.

WHAT!!!!
I sit about 300-400 with 500-600 spikes. (200 on a very very very very very very od chance, usually 250). 250 with Battle ping, which I refuse to pay for.

How do you play? That’s not me being an kitten, I’m honestly curious. As a thief, I don’t have the luxury of an ability not going off til .3 – .5 seconds after I hit it.

Suck it up and wish Australia had better net. I play ele, so you can probably see my frustration with most of the skills being affected by lag. There are times when I press the change attunement button at least 3 or 4 times wondering if I’m actually stunned because I just can’t change attunement. I used to be able to smash most D/D ele build, then I ran across a d/d who was not lagging, the difference, its like god mode activated. So fast, so amazing, nothing like I’ve ever seen before.

Then I versed Colosux’s boon rip thief in a duel tournament and he was moving so quickly I had no idea what the hell was going on lol. I can get no where near that movement on my thief

Softspoken.2410:

Are you seeing anything in your combat log? If it’s direct damage, there should be a damage entry between your hits of Pistol Whip.

TBH, I didn’t even consider that. The combat log in this game is so kittenty, It generally doesn’t bear looking through (at least in my experience). Unless its gotten better and I just haven’t noticed, I’d have to stop playing and sit at spawn, scrolling through all the damage that happened after I was downed, hoping I can remember exactly what was going on when I got downed.

I did check the downed damage skill breakup a couple times, and nothing stuck out to me.

Have the same thing happening on necro where spikes/instagibs don’t show up on combatlog, all i see is loads small hits for 120 with a random 1k hit in a long timeframe yet i go from 20khp to 0 i a second.

won’t be retal eiher. to little output damage for that.
Could be lag but i doubt it.

Then again, there are still quirks in the game, just report report bugs like crazy i guess.

Spammable auto-evade skills are unfun to play against, and are one of several details that contribute to making this game’s pvp less enjoyable that it could be. Hope they’re redesigned someday.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Spammable auto-evade skills are unfun to play against, and are one of several details that contribute to making this game’s pvp less enjoyable that it could be. Hope they’re redesigned someday.

Me too! Until then I can only work with what’s given, and those things should work reliably.

I don’t think evades are going to get nerfed until “AoE” gets fixed in this game.

Had the same problem today with regular dodgerolling, tried to dodge churning earth but got hit by it mid dodge. Kinda weird. Might just be lag though.