Guild Wars 2

When will Warrior have their Elites fixed?

I’m saying this because in sPvP tPvP we dont have a single Elite that could change the game in our favor like other classes have.

Are exemple of those elites:

Thief – Guild of thiefs; Dagger Storm
Guardian: Tome of Courage; Renewed Focus
Engenier: Supply Crate (this one is realy strong you need to dogde/block lots of things)
Ranger: Entangle, Rampage As One (Entangle is also very strong)
Elementalist: Glyph of Elementals; Tornado
Mesmer: Mass Invisibility, Moa Morph,Time Warp (moa morph makes the duel so much easy to the mesmer)
Necromancer: Lich Form, Summon Flesh Golem (Lich form hits very hard)

example: If you fight one engenier and are skilled enough to put him at -20% life pool, if he use Supply Crate you probably going to lose your advantage because in that point you fight not only the engenier but the also the Turrets he droped. Same with Thief, Guardian, Ranger, Mesmer, Necro.
And there are more powerfull elites than Supply Crate.

Now lets see the other side:

Any other class put the warrior with 20% life pool, what are the options he have?

Signet of Rage? – Wont do anything to turn the battle to the warrior advantage.
Battle Standart? – Wont do anything to turn the battle to the warrior advantage.
Rampage? – Wont do anything to turn the battle to the warrior advantage. You just get 20sec of stability and warrior can be easely kitten or get their stability removed.

Of course people dont only use their Elites at 20% life pool, it was just one exemple.

Can you ANet please give us something we could use in sPvP/tPvP that could put our elites in the same level as other classes have?

Thanks.

Signet of Rage is already pretty good considering the really low CD. It’s more of a passive elite though since it only gives you buffs over a long time instead of strong boost for a short time.

The other 2 elites? Well, I have to agree they aren’t that great. Maybe you should give some suggestions on how to improve them.

P.S. Some of the “good” elites are actually pretty bad. Glyph of Elementals (either no damage or dies in 2secs), Tornado (completely useless because too slow/bad skills) and Entangle (can be dodged or removed => long CD) are just a few examples.

They’re fine compared to other classes. The issue with the warrior has another origin.

Yes there are some Elites weaker than others but when they hit they can be extremely usefull. Warrior dont have anything near that.
SoR its preaty weak as a Elite, the 48 CD traited is a good thing but it wont do anything by itself to help you turn that fight.

Sugestions:

Battle standart:
Place a battle standard that revives fallen allies and grants fury, might, and swiftness to allies.

replace with:
Place a battle standard that revives fallen allies and grants fury, might, and swiftness to allies while chiling enemy players in its radious (pulse everytime it gives boons).

Signet of Rage:
Passive: Grants adrenaline.
Active: Gain fury, might, and swiftness. Your movement skills (only movement skills) are imune to snares.

Just two exemples. I dont know what to do with rampage without change it completely.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

They’re fine compared to other classes. The issue with the warrior has another origin.

Of course warrior biggest problems are not on elites, but Warrior elites are not even close to reach other elites utility in fights.

TBH: Battle Standard would be overpowered. This suggestion is not well thought.
Signet of Rage can stay like this, nothing has to change. The idea with movement-skills akka gap-closers should be in a trait actually, rather than on an ultimate. There are other classes who haven’t such game-changing elite too, like thief. A one time stun, 2 weak assistants who drop rather fast on an too high CD and a projectile reflector akka suicide-spin.

So again, not the ultimates are the problem of the warrior.

Rampage – The skills while transformed are hardly revolutionary or even useful for warriors. This skill needs a major rework for spvp – fix the cooldowns or/and give it some useful properties. Maybe give it unremovable protection and swiftness along with stability or give the smash attack chance for quickness.

I don’t really know the point of this elite compared to the other 2 elite warriors have, but it would definitely help (since warriors need all the help they can get) to make this viable for spvp in some way. Make it happen plz!

silentnight warrior.2714:

example: If you fight one engenier and are skilled enough to put him at -20% life pool, if he use Supply Crate you probably going to lose your advantage because in that point you fight not only the engenier but the also the Turrets he droped. Same with Thief, Guardian, Ranger, Mesmer, Necro.
And there are more powerfull elites than Supply Crate.

Or you may simply destroy those turrets, since they’re weak as paper as far as resistance goes.
Heh, with the huge hitbox they’ve got, a single hundred blades can destroy’em all quite fast.
And by doing that, you’ve nullified like half of the utility of an elite skill with 180s cooldown.

The pulse of chill on Battler Standard could be lets say 0.5 chill every 2 sec while inside its radious. OP? dont think so.
Lets say warrior had Moa Morph or Entangle or Suply Crate or Lich Form or Dager Storm. Those elites bring more to the table than every single elite we have.
That is a fact.

Signet of Rage passive efect its nothing special, people already use it all the times so you almost dont see the passive efect, instead SoR is used for the swiftness it brings to help the warrior reach is target, but if you are always chiled and/or cripled you dont take advantage of the boons it provides. If SoR would alow your movement skills to being imune to snares (again, only movement skills) that wont be OP and would be a great help to warriors.

So again, while Elites are not the bigest problem, they could be much better than they are.

Manuhell.2759:

silentnight warrior.2714:

example: If you fight one engenier and are skilled enough to put him at -20% life pool, if he use Supply Crate you probably going to lose your advantage because in that point you fight not only the engenier but the also the Turrets he droped. Same with Thief, Guardian, Ranger, Mesmer, Necro.
And there are more powerfull elites than Supply Crate.

Or you may simply destroy those turrets, since they’re weak as paper as far as resistance goes.
Heh, with the huge hitbox they’ve got, a single hundred blades can destroy’em all quite fast.
And by doing that, you’ve nullified like half of the utility of an elite skill with 180s cooldown.

True…
While the engenier CC you.

What is the Warrior Elite that gives you more trouble to deal?

silentnight warrior.2714:

Lets say warrior had Moa Morph or Entangle or Suply Crate or Lich Form or DAGER STORM. Those elites bring more to the table than every single elite we have.

Are you serious with dager-storm or just trolling around? This skill cries for suicide.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Lets say warrior had Moa Morph or Entangle or Suply Crate or Lich Form or DAGER STORM. Those elites bring more to the table than every single elite we have.

Are you serious with dager-storm or just trolling around? This skill cries for suicide.

Not troling of course.
I understant why you said “This skill cries for suicide”, but that depends when you use it.
But lets say that Dager Storm is a weak elite. Its still BETTER than warrior elites.

silentnight warrior.2714:

True…
While the engenier CC you.

Heh, it isn’t like there are other ways to keep them alive. Still, it isn’t like they can’t be avoided – or you could use stability, instead.

silentnight warrior.2714:

What is the Warrior Elite that gives you more trouble to deal?

Dunno, they’re mostly straight buffs.
Apart from Rampage. That is terrible, exactly like any other transformation. I have it on Elixir X as well, so i know how much is bad.

My opinion of what Warrior Rampage should do

Manuhell.2759:

silentnight warrior.2714:

True…
While the engenier CC you.

Heh, it isn’t like there are other ways to keep them alive. Still, it isn’t like they can’t be avoided – or you could use stability, instead.

silentnight warrior.2714:

What is the Warrior Elite that gives you more trouble to deal?

Dunno, they’re mostly straight buffs.
Apart from Rampage. That is terrible, exactly like any other transformation. I have it on Elixir X as well, so i know how much is bad.

- Stability wont protect you from immo and damage. I would like to have Suply Crate on the warrior. Opens many ways to win a fight. People would have to forget the warrior and attack the crates, warriors could take advantage on that.

- That is the problem. Warrior dont have a single elite that could worry other classes.

jportell.2197:

My opinion of what Warrior Rampage should do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUCRcK7QYc

Now that would be OP… lol

Do you mean to tell me when four of your other party members go down and you instant rally within 4 seconds doesn’t change the game?

The problem with Rampage is that it is a perception issue. When you have a stun, a leap knockdown, a aoe knockback, a ranged knockdown, you would think it would be really strong. People think the opposite because throwing away weapons to use fists feels really weak.

Instead, Rampage auto-attack should change.

Great axe smash → Greatsword smash → Hammer smash

silentnight warrior.2714:

jportell.2197:

My opinion of what Warrior Rampage should do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUCRcK7QYc

Now that would be OP… lol

At least people can be like “kitten he is in rampage. Run kittenes run!”

runeblade.7514:

Do you mean to tell me when four of your other party members go down and you instant rally within 4 seconds doesn’t change the game?

The problem with Rampage is that it is a perception issue. When you have a stun, a leap knockdown, a aoe knockback, a ranged knockdown, you would think it would be really strong. People think the opposite because throwing away weapons to use fists feels really weak.

Instead, Rampage auto-attack should change.

Great axe smash -> Greatsword smash -> Hammer smash

Necros can also do that with Signet of Undeath (3 targets only) while having a good passive effect and its not a elite.

Battle Standart wont ress YOU. So its usefull in a team fight WHEN some party members are downed. I played 5 games in a row with Batle Standart and never use it. Its was better to DPS some downed enemy to ress the teamplayer, among other things.
Its a very situational Elite and have a long CD (I belive that is because WvW but i´m only interested in sPvP or tPvP).

Rampage could be as you said, i dont have any sugestion for that one and your opinion is better than we have it now.

LOL at thinking Ele’s Whirlwind is a viable elite skills.

If you think its weak i will not discuss that. Still its better than the elites warrior have.
That is the point.

silentnight warrior.2714:

If you think its weak i will not discuss that. Still its better than the elites warrior have.
That is the point.

That’s not a point because it’s not better. Every ele would gladly switch Whirlwind for a version of your signet of rage.

Right now SoR its used by warriors mostly because the mobility it brings. I´m 100% sure that SoR would be much better in ele hands because they dont have the problems we have to deal damage and could take advantage of all bons the Signet gives. Warrior is not that lucky…
That said i wouldn´t trade Tornado for SoR (right now) because then warrior would be even worst in PvP.

But i agree that SoR in ele hands would be much more powerfull and understand why eles want the signet.

With all the recent boon stripping added to a lot of the classes, I’m finding my signet of rage is getting stripped really quickly. Necro focus offhand counters our elite and thays just one examplelol. I do like signet of rage, but it’s just getting eaten up waay to quickly.

yea… That is also a big problem. Warrior elites are even worst in this meta

Just pointing out, Eles probably have the worst elites in tPvP. Not discrediting your point about Warrior elites compared to other classes (Mesmers, Engineer, Guardian, Necro, and Thief all have fantastic elites for team play).

But yeah, calling an Elementalist’s elites game changing isn’t exactly correct :P – maybe a tornado in WvW but in tourneys… I often straight up don’t use my elemental during a team fight because I’d be more useful using abilities than casting the glyph >.> I’ll work on casting it before the fight though :P