Guild Wars 2

The first step of attempting to fix a problem, is to actually admit there is a problem. (like the anonymous alcoholics)
So, with half of the forum being flooded with all sort of matchmaking problems, when we will see Justin come out and say “Sorry for the broken matchmaking, all the headache and bad experience it caused”? And then get full team(because one man is not enough) and actually fix this thing?

Here, take a screenshot (one of the hundreds):
No coockie for you, until this is fixed all I will give are bad examples of the Matchamaking, and that’s like 90% of the matches.

When did Justin deny that there are issues? He didn’t.
When did they say that they’re not gonna work on the MM? That’s right, they didn’t.
When did he say he worked on it alone? He didn’t.

Atleast he’s talking about it. There were times when the ‘red’ was lacking on these parts of the forum.

Anyway, you’re right about the forums being flooded. I suggest you post your examples in the existing threads.

If you check out most of his responses on such problems (even my other thread) you will see that, according to him and his data, everything looks normal. Or if I have to quote him

Not sure what to tell you.

The lowest rank you played against with today was a rank 30. The majority have been 70-80. You haven’t had any roster size mismatch issues, and MMRs have all been in range for each match.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Justin-help-Ranked-games-feel-like-hotjoin/first#post4629878

So, if I have to reprise him – he just doesnt see any. Which means, for him, everything works as intended. And we all can see it is not. And that’s denying.

And him being the only one responding as red on these parts of the forum, and talking in singular, it looks exactly like he is on it alone.

Justin ODell.9517:

Flyphish.6398:

It’s still way off. Use hard filters, stop being proud.

It isn’t a matter of pride, and it isn’t even just my call. The whole team talks about changes, and we have designers, and leads, and stakeholders.

Seems like a team. If we judge, based on Anet talking on the forums, there’s only about 10-20 people working at Anet.

And if you look at other reactions of him, in regards to the data, he acknowledges issues.
He looked at your data and didn’t see any issues. That doesn’t mean he denies there are greater issues concerning MM. It just means that the data doesn’t show the issue.

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

If the MMRs accurately reflect team skills right now, then you would have no basis for a complaint.

If it is a full team, like the living story stuff, and not just him, Evanm Grouch (cuz you know, Chap left) and that one kid that is on his place (Team lead or something), why did it take them year and a half to launch a borken matchmaking and another useless ladder, with no seasons or any kind of inniciative. And they can’t even fix the known issues, like que leaving not leaving the que…….

Fun fact, exactly a year ago they ran a twitch livestream, showing off prototype gamemodes. So it takes this full 50+ men team even more to actually release a new game mode.

And if his data, can’t show off the issues, well the data itself is wrong too.

savov.3712:

If you check out most of his responses on such problems (even my other thread) you will see that, according to him and his data, everything looks normal. Or if I have to quote him

Not sure what to tell you.

The lowest rank you played against with today was a rank 30. The majority have been 70-80. You haven’t had any roster size mismatch issues, and MMRs have all been in range for each match.

What you just dishonestly claimed he said, and what he actually said, are nothing alike. You should quote, and not paraphrase others, because you obviously do not know what it means.

savov.3712:

So, if I have to reprise him – he just doesnt see any. Which means, for him, everything works as intended. And we all can see it is not. And that’s denying.

Being serious here. Is English not your first language? He never said everything looks normal. He said to the person that he was posting to, that all of their personal matches were within range of what the system was designed to do.

savov.3712:

And him being the only one responding as red on these parts of the forum, and talking in singular, it looks exactly like he is on it alone.

It does? Even though he is not the only one who has posted on it, and he has stated specifically how many others were working with him on the issue?

It would probably benefit everyone, if you actually researched a topic before you posted on it. You are making several uninformed assumptions, inaccurate guesses, and disingenuous claims, that frankly, are untrue, and on some levels, dishonest.

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

As I interpret it, you didn’t even take the time to look at the picutres from the previous thread. Despite that makeing stupid excuses.
Look at them, all of them are blownouts 500:100.

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

As I interpret it, you didn’t even take the time to look at the picutres from the previous thread. Despite that makeing stupid excuses.
Look at them, all of them are blownouts 500:100.

Oh, I see now. You got your butt handed to you. And you are clearly, too skilled to lose to someone of similar rank. Therefore, your lose, clearly was the games fault.

Is that the route your going?

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

As I interpret it, you didn’t even take the time to look at the picutres from the previous thread. Despite that makeing stupid excuses.
Look at them, all of them are blownouts 500:100.

I understand. Justin answered your complaint that by telling you the MMRs were right for an even match.

So the implication was that it was your team’s problem of just not playing up to your skill level, not the problem of the MMRs being inaccurate. I am not saying I agree. I suspect the MMRs right now do not reflect skill level accurately in all situations.

coglin.1867:

Being serious here. Is English not your first language?

No, it is not. I am sorry if there are some things wrong and incomprehensible, but I don’t have the previlage of being a native speaker and Chrome’s spellcheck doesn’t work in this forum’s text boxes.

As far as guesses go, your’s is no better then mine. You say they have a full-out team working on PvP. Sure, let’s say so. Then why, since release, the game’s PvP is so stalled, it hurts? Hmm?

Also, just as above, look at the screenshots and then talk how every match was “normal”, fun, and fair.

mm is a kitten , i want to know why the devs who did it still work for arenanet….

Soloq was kinda bad with this sort of thing.

But this new system is an absolute joke.

Blow outs, blow outs everywhere.

Teams being stacked with premades against soloers. So on and so forth.

What a giant mess.

And the sad thing is they will never, EVER admit they screwed up royally.

They will just continue to ignore their own failures whilst endlessly tweaking a system that’s just flat out broken and will never be fixed with band aids being slapped over it over and over.

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

savov.3712,

As I interpret it, Justin reported that your teams were the same size and the average team MMRs were about equal, so it was an even match and your team had as much of a chance at winning as the other team did.

As I interpret it, you didn’t even take the time to look at the picutres from the previous thread. Despite that makeing stupid excuses.
Look at them, all of them are blownouts 500:100.

I understand. Justin answered your complaint that by telling you the MMRs were right for an even match. So the implication was that it was your problem of not playing up to your skill level, not the problem of the MMRs being inaccurate. I am not saying I agree. I suspect the MMRs right now do not reflect skill level accurately in all situations.

Seriouysly… don’t act like one of the kittens flooding ranked pvp. Look at the all the screenshots again and think a little. Out of all 6 (one here and 5 at the other thread) screnshots I’ve posted, I’m on the lossing team only once.
So dont try to blame me on “loser QQing” “l2p” etc.

savov.3712:

If it is a full team, like the living story stuff, and not just him, Evanm Grouch (cuz you know, Chap left) and that one kid that is on his place (Team lead or something), why did it take them year and a half to launch a borken matchmaking and another useless ladder, with no seasons or any kind of inniciative. And they can’t even fix the known issues, like que leaving not leaving the que…….

Fun fact, exactly a year ago they ran a twitch livestream, showing off prototype gamemodes. So it takes this full 50+ men team even more to actually release a new game mode.

And if his data, can’t show off the issues, well the data itself is wrong too.

You should see this system as phase 1 of leagues. They’re still working on leagues/seasons.

Those bugs will be fixed. Not as soon as you like apparently.

I think they confirmed EOTM took more than year to make. Dunno if it’s the same for pve/pvp maps. As game modes are more than just maps, you should expect that it takes quite some time. Those are developer realities (I’m no dev, that’s just what I hear people with experience say).

“So dont try to blame me on “loser QQing” “l2p” etc.”

I didn’t. Please reread my post.

savov.3712:

As far as guesses go, your’s is no better then mine. You say they have a full-out team working on PvP. Sure, let’s say so. Then why, since release, the game’s PvP is so stalled, it hurts? Hmm?

A. I made no guesses. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths and drop your dishonesty at the door. I stated facts based on previous post.

B. Please quote the portion of my post in which I stated “they have a full-out team working on PvP.”. I never made that statement. Clearly you do not want to have a serious discussion, because you are being clearly deceptive, dishonest, and misrepresentational of others.

savov.3712:

Also, just as above, look at the screenshots and then talk how every match was “normal”, fun, and fair.

Again I ask. Are you suggesting you lost those matches 100% because you were matched a vast amount about your head?

pelle ossa.9705:

mm is a kitten , i want to know why the devs who did it still work for arenanet….

Because common sense suggest that anyone should understand that a new system requires time to collect its data, as well, adjustments being needed to the system based on the player pool size itself. As well as the pools size variance variations throughout different times of the day.

Honestly, Unless you have the knowledge to have a clue about the subject matter, you probably shouldn’t demand someone lose the ability to support and feed their family 3 days before Christmas.

We’ve always had issues with the MMR.
A probably too high starting MMR coupled with a high deviation has always produced new (and mostly clueless) players appearing at any bracket.
Since it looks like they’re using different MMR scores for different classes (which is something good IMHO) and taking into consideration both new dailies and a specially interesting reward track, we should expect a good amount of chaos with the matchmaking system, specially for players close to that starting MMR.

Mjgander.1905:

Soloq was kinda bad with this sort of thing.

But this new system is an absolute joke.

Blow outs, blow outs everywhere.

Teams being stacked with premades against soloers. So on and so forth.

What a giant mess.

And the sad thing is they will never, EVER admit they screwed up royally.

They will just continue to ignore their own failures whilst endlessly tweaking a system that’s just flat out broken and will never be fixed with band aids being slapped over it over and over.

In all your threads, all your posts I only see complaints. Can you try to be constructive, for once?

You have to be careful using blow-out as an argument. Blow-outs will always happen, even if you have the perfect matchup according to the MMR/system.
Don’t you get blow-outs in other established pvp games with matchmaking? I sure do.

butch.8136:

Mjgander.1905:

Soloq was kinda bad with this sort of thing.

But this new system is an absolute joke.

Blow outs, blow outs everywhere.

Teams being stacked with premades against soloers. So on and so forth.

What a giant mess.

And the sad thing is they will never, EVER admit they screwed up royally.

They will just continue to ignore their own failures whilst endlessly tweaking a system that’s just flat out broken and will never be fixed with band aids being slapped over it over and over.

In all your threads, all your posts I only see complaints. Can you try to be constructive, for once?

You have to be careful using blow-out as an argument. Blow-outs will always happen, even if you have the perfect matchup according to the MMR/system.
Don’t you get blow-outs in other established pvp games with matchmaking? I sure do.

I’ve never, ever played a game with online multilayer that suffers from matchmaking mistakes such as this. Really, I’ve never experienced chronic problems with online gaming like this. To me Gw2 is like this weird isolated mess of a case with it.

And be constructive? Don’t make me laugh. People have said time and time again what needs to be done.

coglin.1867:

Oh, I see now. You got your butt handed to you. And you are clearly, too skilled to lose to someone of similar rank. Therefore, your lose, clearly was the games fault.

Is that the route your going?

Kinda ironic saying “Oh, I see now”, when you have to look at the screenshots and realise its, acutally it is exactly the other way around.
I’m WINNING, for kitten sake…

Is it so hard to look at the screenshots (I’m Swnny, for those of you seeing scoreboard for the first time and not knowing what the only yellowish name means)

http://i.imgur.com/dXEo7Mp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/h1tVjf9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/msUxaid.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RO5N4FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zSeFBeo.jpg
(+ the one in the first post)

coglin.1867:

savov.3712:

Also, just as above, look at the screenshots and then talk how every match was “normal”, fun, and fair.

Again I ask. Are you suggesting you lost those matches 100% because you were matched a vast amount about your head?

And I ask you again (for a last time) – look at the kittening screenshots. 5 out of 6 games I’m winning, and by 500:50 at that.

coglin.1867:

Clearly you do not want to have a serious discussion, because you are being clearly deceptive, dishonest, and misrepresentational of others.

How to make a serious discussion with someone like you, who just types on automatic, without reading the posts or looking at the screenshots provided.

And I’m posting screenshots for a reason – more data for Justin to review.

Laserbolt.6731:

“So dont try to blame me on “loser QQing” “l2p” etc.”

I didn’t. Please reread my post.

Well, if winning 500:50 is not " playing up to my skill level" I do not know what it is.

coglin.1867:

Because common sense suggest that anyone should understand that a new system requires time to collect its data, as well, adjustments being needed to the system based on the player pool size itself. As well as the pools size variance variations throughout different times of the day.

Honestly, Unless you have the knowledge to have a clue about the subject matter, you probably shouldn’t demand someone lose the ability to support and feed their family 3 days before Christmas.

they can use old data untill they don’t have enough new data , but it’s obvius there is a lot of things who didn’t work: premade vs pug , class stacking ecc…

in any work , if you do something wrong , and you create some damage you will be fire , and spvp had always problems and they can’t still do something to fix it , we are in a sort of beta/alpha season after 2 year and 3 month….
how many player gw2 lost because the spvp is not good?

OK, I see you were winning. I missed that. Either way, perhaps the MMRs are not really accurate predictors right now. That was my point behind my post.

Mjgander.1905:

And be constructive? Don’t make me laugh. People have said time and time again what needs to be done.

Alright, then there’s no need to post anymore I’d guess.

Laserbolt.6731:

OK, I see you were winning. Either way, who says the MMRs are correct?

Justin. Quoted him in the third post of this thread.

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

OK, I see you were winning. Either way, who says the MMRs are correct?

Justin. Quoted him in the third post of this thread.

He said the match-up was correct (based on the data). Nothing else.

butch.8136:

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

OK, I see you were winning. Either way, who says the MMRs are correct?

Justin. Quoted him in the third post of this thread.

He said the match-up was correct (based on the data). Nothing else.

And what exactly is correct about match finishing 500:50? (Based on real data)

Nevermind, you don’t seem to understand the difference between what you say and what Justin stated.

pelle ossa.9705:

in any work , if you do something wrong , and you create some damage you will be fire ,

You have proof that he did something wrong? I would like to see your proof. Your making a great deal of assumptions, without any evidence. Do you even know who designed the new system? Do you design and create every system and piece of equipment you work with in your job? I doubt it.

Secondly, you full of it if you are claiming everyone who has problems with things in their specific aspects at work, are fired.

Oh no, I completley do understand it.
The default starting MMR for new players in PvP is set too high and for that the new players are matched with the good players (I considre myself well above the average player). And because with these new changes the influx of new players is noticible high, we all are mishmatched “correctly”.
Allowing r1 “just-bought-the-game-10-mins-ago” player joining Ranked games, is a huge mistake too.
Solo queing not working as intended; (i.e. low odds of being matched vs premades).
Profession stacking; (and now because of the new “daily X-profession winner” achievement)
Disabled dishonor system;
Do I have to continue pointing out obvious problems with this “correct” matchmaking system?

butch.8136:

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

OK, I see you were winning. Either way, who says the MMRs are correct?

Justin. Quoted him in the third post of this thread.

He said the match-up was correct (based on the data). Nothing else.

Right, but because Justin said nothing about the MMRs possible being inaccurate, it’s natural to assume he thought the MMRs probably were accurate, or he would have said something about that as an explanation.

savov.3712:

Oh no, I completley do understand it.
The default starting MMR for new players in PvP is set too high and for that the new players are matched with the good players (I considre myself well above the average player). And because with these new changes the influx of new players is noticible high, we all are mishmatched “correctly”.
Allowing r1 “just-bought-the-game-10-mins-ago” player joining Ranked games, is a huge mistake too.
Solo queing not working as intended; (i.e. low odds of being matched vs premades).
Profession stacking; (and now because of the new “daily X-profession winner” achievement)
Disabled dishonor system;
Do I have to continue pointing out obvious problems with this “correct” matchmaking system?

So your completely discounting the possibility that you were against a team of random players who were not in comms. You feel the fact that you guys were a premade team with communication had nothing to do with it?

coglin.1867:

pelle ossa.9705:

in any work , if you do something wrong , and you create some damage you will be fire ,

You have proof that he did something wrong? I would like to see your proof. Your making a great deal of assumptions, without any evidence. Do you even know who designed the new system? Do you design and create every system and piece of equipment you work with in your job? I doubt it.

Secondly, you full of it if you are claiming everyone who has problems with things in their specific aspects at work, are fired.

http://i.imgur.com/HyCUY1M.jpg ( i was in duoq with the necro…. and the mm put us with 2 55hp , vs pug…)
i know it’s a pre season screen , but atm the situation it’s the same or i have to screen all the matches with my team vs pug or the match with 2 mesmer against 2 engi ecc… ecc…

Laserbolt.6731:

butch.8136:

savov.3712:

Laserbolt.6731:

OK, I see you were winning. Either way, who says the MMRs are correct?

Justin. Quoted him in the third post of this thread.

He said the match-up was correct (based on the data). Nothing else.

Right, but because Justin said nothing about the MMRs possible being inaccurate, it’s natural to assume he thought the MMRs probably were accurate, or he would have said something about that as an explanation.

If you read his other comments on the matter, you’d see that he’s actively going through the data, asking players to report mismatches to see what’s going on, where it’s going wrong, etc.

Anyway, doesn’t matter.

But as bad as anything is the OP whispering another player to berate them and tell not to play (at least that is what the screenshot seems to say to me). Frankly that is at least as big a problem as bad match making – people who think they are pro, harassing other players.

It is one thing to tell your team to focus on points or such (and try to help them improve if they are newer players): to tell them to stop playing is not acceptable. Tells me pretty much all I need to know about a player.

coglin.1867:

savov.3712:

Oh no, I completley do understand it.
The default starting MMR for new players in PvP is set too high and for that the new players are matched with the good players (I considre myself well above the average player). And because with these new changes the influx of new players is noticible high, we all are mishmatched “correctly”.
Allowing r1 “just-bought-the-game-10-mins-ago” player joining Ranked games, is a huge mistake too.
Solo queing not working as intended; (i.e. low odds of being matched vs premades).
Profession stacking; (and now because of the new “daily X-profession winner” achievement)
Disabled dishonor system;
Do I have to continue pointing out obvious problems with this “correct” matchmaking system?

So your completely discounting the possibility that you were against a team of random players who were not in comms. You feel the fact that you guys were a premade team with communication had nothing to do with it?

I’ve being playing ranked solo.
But this only proves you are posting only for the sake of posting, without any thought behind it.

Mjgander.1905:

I’ve never, ever played a game with online multilayer that suffers from matchmaking mistakes such as this.

Strange, I would say I’ve never encountered a matchmaking system that wasn’t mostly bad.

matchmaking is extremely hard to do well, very few games come even close.