Guild Wars 2

I am kinda sick and tired of zerging mentality in pvp since introduction of spectating mode. Even tho spectating was good however bringing spectating on hotjoin servers is just terrible. I feel like pvp of this game became worse after 2 years. I kinda miss old stuff where holding cap point depends on players not zerging with dps builds and one shotting focus targets.

I really don’t blame about players. This is the fault of ANET’s developer team. Current design forces people to zerg and pvp maps are way too small and easy to travel. Some builds does insane damage especially when they are not focused (zerging) and have absolutely no chance to counter sometimes. Don’t bring me dodge+invul etc. In this game, there is no profession to counter non stop crowd controls (both soft and hard) and immobolise stacking (where is diminishing return!?).

Have my rant. Thanks

I don’t think you’re going to find much sympathy because I don’t think most people care how others play in hotjoin. If you hate the zerging mentality then go to unranked or ranked, this is already a solution to your frustration. Why blame Anet for how people play in hotjoin when other options are already present where these problems are not an issue?

well, maybe players abusing spectating system breaking hotjoins for their easy rewards/ap/wins and unranked/ranked are not fast enough like hotjoins? It is easy to run away from the problem instead finding a solution for it.

eozturk.7205:

well, maybe players abusing spectating system breaking hotjoins for their easy rewards/ap/wins and unranked/ranked are not fast enough like hotjoins? It is easy to run away from the problem instead finding a solution for it.

Yeah get more rewards from unranked ranked… so there goes that argument. It’s only a problem if you refuse to use the solution that has been provided to you, if you don’t you may come off as a petulant child.

NeXeD.3042:

eozturk.7205:

well, maybe players abusing spectating system breaking hotjoins for their easy rewards/ap/wins and unranked/ranked are not fast enough like hotjoins? It is easy to run away from the problem instead finding a solution for it.

Yeah get more rewards from unranked ranked… so there goes that argument. It’s only a problem if you refuse to use the solution that has been provided to you, if you don’t you may come off as a petulant child.

well nerf track experience from hotjoins is good starting tho. Some people loves playing the pvp instead getting rewards. Anyway, I sense high amount of kittening in you. Stay strong.

eozturk.7205:

NeXeD.3042:

eozturk.7205:

well, maybe players abusing spectating system breaking hotjoins for their easy rewards/ap/wins and unranked/ranked are not fast enough like hotjoins? It is easy to run away from the problem instead finding a solution for it.

Yeah get more rewards from unranked ranked… so there goes that argument. It’s only a problem if you refuse to use the solution that has been provided to you, if you don’t you may come off as a petulant child.

well nerf track experience from hotjoins is good starting tho. Some people loves playing the pvp instead getting rewards. Anyway, I sense high amount of kittening in you. Stay strong.

It is already Nerf compare to un/ranked. The issue seems to be YOU. Either you move up to un/ranked or stop complaining. You won’t find any sympathy with anybody due to your own choices.

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

eozturk.7205:

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

Alright then, I’m curious to know why you refuse to play in unranked or ranked?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Structured_PvP#Rewards
Check out that link, hotjoin is restricted to a maximum of 10000 track points/day, 10s for a loss and 15s for a win. You also only get 200 track points from a loss and 500 track points from a win.
Unranked and ranked give you 15s for a loss and 30s for a win along with 500 track points for a loss and 1500 track points for a win.

eozturk.7205:

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

If you want to call yourself a baddie do it on your own but blame others for it.

Your attitude is the problem, not your skills. There are no rules in practice getting angry about what others do in a format designed to let people play however they want is wrong. You can only HOPE to change others, but you are in complete control of changing yourself.

well I really don’t like waiting over 10-20mins to get in one map and play around between 10-12 min and rinse repeat. In before, hotjoins had amazing match speed flow. you don’t have to wait and you just play the game even tho you don’t get any reward from it. Also, it didn’t have issues like 3vs5 4vs5. I am kinda sick seeing 3 people goes spectate and waiting to get open slots from leading team (autobalance).

silvermember.8941:

eozturk.7205:

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

If you want to call yourself a baddie do it on your own but blame others for it.

Your attitude is the problem, not your skills. There are no rules in practice getting angry about what others do in a format designed to let people play however they want is wrong. You can only HOPE to change others, but you are in complete control of changing yourself.

so you telling me everything is fine in pvp especially hotjoins? thanks for giving me laugh.

edit: you better stop being a spokesman. everyone has their own ideas and right to share instead of bashing those ideas try to respect!

eozturk.7205:

silvermember.8941:

eozturk.7205:

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

If you want to call yourself a baddie do it on your own but blame others for it.

Your attitude is the problem, not your skills. There are no rules in practice getting angry about what others do in a format designed to let people play however they want is wrong. You can only HOPE to change others, but you are in complete control of changing yourself.

so you telling me everything is fine in pvp especially hotjoins? thanks for giving me laugh.

edit: you better stop being a spokesman. everyone has their own ideas and right to share instead of bashing those ideas try to respect!

Sorry but i have to agree with everyone else (not bashing your ideas) but you are acting like a spoiled child. You have been given a solution, which may not be perfect (due to sorta long que, not as long as people make it out to be) but it’s viable, if zerging is such an issue for you then you’d take the solution instead of bashing Anet for it.

Last i checked this game was not made for YOU but for everyone, it gives various options and ways to play it. So learn it, or please do yourself a favor and leave. Not being mean but i’m saying it like it is.

eozturk.7205:

I am kinda sick and tired of zerging mentality in pvp since introduction of spectating mode. Even tho spectating was good however bringing spectating on hotjoin servers is just terrible. I feel like pvp of this game became worse after 2 years. I kinda miss old stuff where holding cap point depends on players not zerging with dps builds and one shotting focus targets.

I really don’t blame about players. This is the fault of ANET’s developer team. Current design forces people to zerg and pvp maps are way too small and easy to travel. Some builds does insane damage especially when they are not focused (zerging) and have absolutely no chance to counter sometimes. Don’t bring me dodge+invul etc. In this game, there is no profession to counter non stop crowd controls (both soft and hard) and immobolise stacking (where is diminishing return!?).

Have my rant. Thanks

But But But…they…must…zerg…

For da king and stonemist!

KyeXema.9370:

eozturk.7205:

silvermember.8941:

eozturk.7205:

yes. the mentality of zerging is fine and I am bad. good reasoning, spam 1111 and keep it up.

If you want to call yourself a baddie do it on your own but blame others for it.

Your attitude is the problem, not your skills. There are no rules in practice getting angry about what others do in a format designed to let people play however they want is wrong. You can only HOPE to change others, but you are in complete control of changing yourself.

so you telling me everything is fine in pvp especially hotjoins? thanks for giving me laugh.

edit: you better stop being a spokesman. everyone has their own ideas and right to share instead of bashing those ideas try to respect!

Sorry but i have to agree with everyone else (not bashing your ideas) but you are acting like a spoiled child. You have been given a solution, which may not be perfect (due to sorta long que, not as long as people make it out to be) but it’s viable, if zerging is such an issue for you then you’d take the solution instead of bashing Anet for it.

Last i checked this game was not made for YOU but for everyone, it gives various options and ways to play it. So learn it, or please do yourself a favor and leave. Not being mean but i’m saying it like it is.

The solution is not implementation of ranked/unranked with Auto-party system. The solution is removing spectating mode in hotjoins (who needs spectating in hotjoins?!). If you want to spectate, get in custom servers ( which were not exist 2 years ago and plenty servers out there)

Your second paragraph clearly shows how you can’t tolerate other people ideas. Please do us a favor, don’t reproduce. Humanity will thank you later.

This thread can be closed now…

You are unsympathetic and expect sympathy towards your problem, which in the end is not even that much of an issue per se?

Man, and you tell others not to reproduce…

yes thread will be closed especially after you said (official forum police?). I can’t see any expectations sympathy in my OP. you agree or disagree but bashing the poster is just a big laugh. I smell high amount of pvp zergers in here. Praise SM LORD

My queues have been around 1:30 to 3:30 per match unranked in the passed few days. The quality of matches have been much better than any hotjoin I’ve ever played(constant 4v5s and such or people sitting on siege all day).

I’d rather force people in spectator mode than have teams be 4v5 or any uneven amount, regardless of if it’s in my favor or not.

Why is waiting 2-4 minutes for an unranked game such a terrible idea for you? You’d have to be like one of the top ranked players in game to end up with queues of “10-20” minutes, realistically.

I´m with OP here because:

Hotjoin or practise:
– Instant matches
– less rewards
– Less team play (cap / hold points /decap / call targets)
– No builds / professions requirements like in unranked and ranked

Its good for people with litle time that dont want to wast time doing qeues and finding a team / parties / joining TS and dont care about leaderboards. Play only for fun.
Those people also bought the game so they expect the game mode they play have the same quality as in other game modes.

Now what can ANet do to fix that zerg mentality in practise mode? That is the question, because not all people want to play unranked / ranked.

eozturk.7205:

I am kinda sick and tired of zerging mentality in pvp since introduction of spectating mode.

Maybe it’s my own fault, personally I see little in the role of spectator mode over zerging, to me the fast pace where people can join and leave as they wish, or switch team is the real reason.
5v4 where half of the team switched in less than a minute will result in confusing events, such as snowball or zerging. Try to do an opening 1 3 1 or 1 2 2 when you start the game with 2 people. GG.

eozturk.7205:

Even tho spectating was good however bringing spectating on hotjoin servers is just terrible. I feel like pvp of this game became worse after 2 years.

You want us to see hotjoin as a valuable pvp mode, however you fail to notice how different unranked/ranked match are compared to it and judge pvp on the sole base of a fast joining paced mode where the players will leave as soon as they can’t stand their own kitten on the losing side.
In fact the simple fact that you can’t switch team or leave conveniently the game (as in closing your game) without dishonor (in ranked mind you) contribute largely to a mindset where better strategy can be born (instead of the usual zerging (not that you won,t see it, but players will adjust quickly and still manage to win despite that))

eozturk.7205:

I really don’t blame about players. This is the fault of ANET’s developer team.

WELL, yes and no.
It’s part of the players fault (mine too actually) I don’t go into hotjoin to bother playing properly.
I either want to grasp a class, test a kittenty build or have fun in farming people over and over again until they leave (or get farmed over and over again until I leave)
There,s this fun in bringing ten people to fight off point, and it’s only possible to do in hotjoin.
Par of ANET’s fault also, because they created that mode where anyone who wants to farm can come and go as they please, without waiting for a queue (1:00 – 3:00 never killed anybody, and if you can’t wait that long for a match, I consider you equally responsible to the state of hotjoin, because you can’t possibly have the time to conclude a match with so little at your hands) or wait for the whole match completion. They can just grasp the first game, get a win, rinse and repeat.
Creating the mode was their fault
What players made of it is entirely their responsibility. Hotjoin as it is is the players sole and only responsibility.

Current design forces people to zerg and pvp maps are way too small and easy to travel.

my mesmer and history of unranked/ranked playing disagree with that.
Zerging is usually the cause of team loss (my own observation). People will just out rotate them and back cap people (but then again, you don’t see that in hotjoin).
And it’s long enough to go from spawn to far when I have the pace of a snail, I’m pretty content with the map’s size as it is.

eozturk.7205:

Don’t bring me dodge+invul etc. In this game, there is no profession to counter non stop crowd controls (both soft and hard) and immobolise stacking (where is diminishing return!?).

Actually, I’ll bring it.
dodge is a life saver when used properly, and so is invuln, or stability and even blind and chilled.
You cry about the lack of counter over CC, yet you tell us to not “bring you” the very counters existing?"
I’ll tell you that my lockdown mes is pretty much countered by any decent s/d thief, simply because of their amount of dodge and evade.
I’ll laugh in a necros face and cry in front of a thief, that’s how the game is.
And you need to admit that, sometimes, the best counter for a build is to not get ganked by said build, because 1v1 isn’t the point of pvp.
My job isn’t to 1v1 people, it’s to make sure that my team win, and people who whine about that are funny at best.
If I can +1 a fight, I’ll do it and trust me that he (or they) will properly get ganked, while making sure that I am never 1v1d if I can avoid it.
I’d rather be 2v1 or 3v1 then 1v1, because holding 2 or 3 people on you while your team can do something else actually provide more to the game than fighting against one other player.
I’d rather have 5 people at mid, than one guy sitting uselessly at home doing absolutely nothing than watching butterflies, that makes you either superior in numbers, where you have better chance at winning, or equally numbered, elevating same chances (while avoiding backcap)

Hotjoin is just a bunch of pve starting, farmers, trolls and pvp players learning another class’ basics, without bothering with proper strategy, don’t expect that mentality to change, because the mode itself encourage it. coming, going and switching team as you please will ruin whatever other strategy people wants to do.