Well the title says it all really, when attacking a node and finding you are fighting against 3-5 enemies who should you be trying to down first? I find trying to down the bunker/healer builds impossible so end up calling target on glass cannons only to have the bunker builds take the heat of them making me think we should have zerged the bunkers. Necro deathshroud builds and healer elementalists I try to leave until last but they also have a lot of CC so impede our chance of finishing downed enemies.
Please only offer helpful insight and not L2P, I am learning which is why I am asking
Guardian Bunker Build and Mesmer Shutter/Illusion Build in multiple numbers, maybe a single Thief with probably high dmg build is enough. Or maybe a whole team with Guardians or Mesmers.
Now Iam curios what the Tpvp folks say to this setup out of 16 different options to choose from (not builds but offensive or defensive direction)
Guardian Bunker Build and Mesmer Shutter/Illusion Build in multiple numbers, maybe a single Thief with probably high dmg build is enough. Or maybe a whole team with Guardians or Mesmers.
Now Iam curios what the Tpvp folks say to this setup out of 16 different options to choose from (not builds but offensive or defensive direction)
Hey Moxrox, thanks for the reply but not sure if you understood the question I want to know which class to prioritise/target when facing multiple enemies, not the best setup for a team.
Anyway OP all of this is assuming you’re doing tpvp because spvp is crap:
You didn’t mention who controls the point, but I will assume the enemy does. Also you didn’t mention how many from your team are there.. it sounds like you’re assaulting a node with 5 enemies on it (wtf?) alone (wtf?), but whatever.
These things can get kinda complicated, but it’s not all about “how do i beat that” but oftentimes it’s the big picture you need to think about.
If:
the enemy controls the point
the enemy has substantial defense there
the enemy controls more nodes than you
then just don’t go there. It’s a waste of time. The enemy will just rack up points.
If the node is neutral then try to keep it that way or even cap it if you are not overwhelmed. If you control the node then stay on it so they don’t neutralize it.
If you are actually supposed to be fighting there, then your next question is who to target:
Target their damage. Thieves, mesmers, etc. Anything that is glassy needs to be priority #1. Call the target and have your teammates focus fire.
Ideally you’ll probably want to focus the player with the least amount of recovery options. This might mean that you know he isn’t running a stun break, or he used his stun break on something else earlier in the fight (or earlier in another fight in another area of the map), or he just double dodged and has no vigor, or his heal is on cooldown, or whatever.
Keep track of mesmers and swap to them after decoy expires. Focus necros at initial team fights if they expose themselves cause they won’t have any life force – they’ll probably pop spectral armor if they built for it or just die if not. Force mist forms on non-bunker/non-cantrip ele’s and swap to them afterwards if they stay in the fight. Swap to warriors when they frenzy or just stay on warriors in general cause their escapes are usually subpar. Swap to thieves whenever they show or just spam AoE when you know they’re around. If your team is lite on condi removal, you can probably focus condi spammer engineers as they can be a severe threat. If you’re fighting multiple guardians and there are no better targets, identify the meditation one and focus him.
It all depends. You’ll typically be swapping back and forth a lot and sometimes focusing bunkers can also be the appropriate thing to do if you happen to catch them in a vulnerable position.
Thanks for the reply. The situation I am referring to seems to happen all the time at GY or Keep. The initial rush always seems to end up being 3v3/4v4 and the other team seem to focus fire us down one by one and we end up chasing after an unkillable objective. I’m glad to see you suggest going after dps/glass cannons first as this is what I was leaning towards.
Thanks for the additional information regarding whether we should be there or not. We often end up bashing our heads trying to regain a point that has substantial defense and end up losing the match as its impossible to take back. We will have to rethink our strategy and go cap the other less defended points and force some of the players out of the node.
What about healing elementalist or guardian/engineer bunker? I have encountering this 2 man setup more and more on nodes and am finding it very hard to grab a kill on either before the rest of the other team arrive as backup.
Anyway OP all of this is assuming you’re doing tpvp because spvp is crap:
You didn’t mention who controls the point, but I will assume the enemy does. Also you didn’t mention how many from your team are there.. it sounds like you’re assaulting a node with 5 enemies on it (wtf?) alone (wtf?), but whatever.
These things can get kinda complicated, but it’s not all about “how do i beat that” but oftentimes it’s the big picture you need to think about.
If:
the enemy controls the point
the enemy has substantial defense there
the enemy controls more nodes than you
then just don’t go there. It’s a waste of time. The enemy will just rack up points.
If the node is neutral then try to keep it that way or even cap it if you are not overwhelmed. If you control the node then stay on it so they don’t neutralize it.
If you are actually supposed to be fighting there, then your next question is who to target:
Target their damage. Thieves, mesmers, etc. Anything that is glassy needs to be priority #1. Call the target and have your teammates focus fire.
Since you are expirienced with Tpvp, what setup use the most successfull teams currently.
Thank you
“Hey Moxrox, thanks for the reply but not sure if you understood the question I want to know which class to prioritise/target when facing multiple enemies, not the best setup for a team.”
I understand and Iam sure you got the answer from one of the other players here. I just posted something which was a question by myself.
I understand and Iam sure you got the answer from one of the other players here. I just posted something which was a question by myself to see the reactions and answers.
Mmm probably better to create your own thread so it can be easily searched by other forum users and also not confuse anyone interested in this one
Thanks for the reply. The situation I am referring to seems to happen all the time at GY or Keep. The initial rush always seems to end up being 3v3/4v4 and the other team seem to focus fire us down one by one and we end up chasing after an unkillable objective. I’m glad to see you suggest going after dps/glass cannons first as this is what I was leaning towards.
If you are not doing well in teamfights remember to call the target and also mention it in voip for your team. If you are still not doing well maybe you should try adjusting your classes or builds to have more support/cc.
What about healing elementalist or guardian/engineer bunker? I have encountering this 2 man setup more and more on nodes and am finding it very hard to grab a kill on either before the rest of the other team arrive as backup.
It’s impossible to say specifically what you should do. If you can’t take them, stop trying because it’s only a waste of time. Let them sit there and bunker alone and now it’s like a 5v4 fight everywhere else in your favor. Alternatively if you really need to take the point make sure you take another teammate with you. If you guys still can’t take the node then consider if your builds are set up properly for “bunker-busting”. You will need boon strips for eles and guardians and in general ranged condi dmg works well on guardians and engineers. Or — do what I do (i am engineer however) and bing so much cc knockbacks that you can take the node from the bunker without even killing him (difficult on guardians that spam stability). Another idea is if you can kill the bunker solo, but it just takes some time, then have another roamer teammate prepare for it and intercept their roamer to give you time.
Hey Milo, thanks again for the great advice. Will hopefully be winning some more nodes from now on. Need to look at team composition as well as pretty sure we are seriously lacking boon strippers. I play roaming warrior build with Oppas axe/mace + mace/shield setup so nothing there for me
