Guild Wars 2

Who hold more advantages over who in pvp battles. This is just about advantages, anyone can beat anyone if played very well.

Scrapper > Reaper
Scrapper > Herald
Scrapper > Daredevil
Scrapper > Chronomanser
Scrapper > Dragon Hunter
Scrapper > Berserker
Scrapper > Druid
Scrapper > Tempest

Reaper < Herald
Reaper < Daredevil
Reaper > Chronomancer
Reaper < Dragon Hunter
Reaper > Berserker
Reaper = Druid
Reaper = Tempest

Herald = Daredevil
Herald > Chronomancer
Herald = Dragon Hunter
Herald > Berserker
Herald > Druid
Herald > Tempest

Daredevil > Chronomancer
Daredevil > Dragon Hunter
Daredevil > Berserker
Daredevil = Druid
Daredevil > Tempest

Chronomancer < Dragon Hunter
Chronomancer = Berserker
Chronomancer < Druid
Chornomancer < Tempest

Dragon Hunter > Berserker
Dragon Hunter < Druid
Dragon Hunter = Tempest

Berserker < Druid
Berserker < Tempest

Druid > Tempest

If someone is stronger than something else is +1, then each elite specialization would have this score:

Scrapper: 8
Reaper: 2
Herald: 5
Daredevil: 5
Chronomancer: 0
Dragon Hunter: 3
Berserker: 0
Druid: 4
Tempest: 2

Simple math and math never lie.

So, elite specialization tier liest is:
1) Scrapper
2) Herald and Daredevil
3) Druid
4) Dragon Hunter
5) Reaper and Tempest
6) Chronomancer and Berserker

Reaper should not be in spot 5 for 1v1s

This list is riddled with inaccuracies

Tontonino.9736:

Reaper should not be in spot 5 for 1v1s

Well, because you start pvp games with 0 life force, so this is as accurate as it goes.

ya a lot of this is purely ur subjective opinion and downright wrong at times

Zuko.7132:

ya a lot of this is purely ur subjective opinion and downright wrong at times

rofl…what a statement to make. I just can’t even.

chrono>berserker

Pyriall.1683:

Zuko.7132:

ya a lot of this is purely ur subjective opinion and downright wrong at times

rofl…what a statement to make. I just can’t even.

You forgot the part where DH melts daredevil.

If this is in regard to 1v1s only, then my personal list is as follows:

Reaper > Scrapper, Herald, Dragonhunter, Tempest, Chronomancer, Berserker
Reaper < Druid, Daredevil, Tempest

Scrapper > Daredevil, Herald, Dragonhunter, Berserker
Scrapper < Reaper, Druid, Tempest, Chronomancer

Druid > Reaper, Scrapper, Daredevil, Tempest, Chronomancer, Berserker
Druid < Herald, Dragonhunter,

Daredevil > Reaper, Herald, Tempest, Chronomancer, Berserker
Daredevil < Scrapper, Druid, Dragonhunter

Herald > Druid, Dragonhunter, Chronomancer, Berserker
Herald < Reaper, Scrapper, Daredevil, Tempest

Dragonhunter > Druid, Daredevil, Tempest, Berserker
Dragonhunter < Reaper, Scrapper, Herald, Chronomancer

Tempest > Reaper, Scrapper, Herald, Chronomancer, Berserker
Tempest < Druid, Daredevil, Dragonhunter

Chronomancer > Scrapper, Dragonhunter, Berserker
Chronomancer < Reaper, Druid, Daredevil, Herald, Tempest

Berserker > …
Berserker < Reaper, Scrapper, Druid, Daredevil, Herald, Dragonhunter, Tempest, Chronomancer, Berserker (it loses to itself!)

Disclaimer: Most of these are likely totally wrong in reality. These are mostly based on theorycrafting and some experience in duels. Others are guesses! As you can tell, I have no faith in Berserkers still.

Im pretty sure you need a better understanding of how to beat a DH.

Floplag.4032:

Im pretty sure you need a better understanding of how to beat a DH.

The only way a DD beats a DH is with p/p (more or less unviable) or the DH is terrible.

Some of this depends on build. A tempest who uses focus and runs Diamond Skin and times their invulns at proper times denying the Reaper transfers (and as such, removal) and continues pressure and keeps themselves above 75% can actually do just fine against Reaper to the point of being considerably equal. Similarly, a Dragon Hunter can build to quite literally hard-counter a Reaper and kill them before they can really be all that dangerous.

I do agree Reaper is pretty rough on Berserkers, in most cases Chronomancer, and Herald.

Scrapper can usually hold its own, it loses a lot of steam from constant corrupts but they can still make life hard on Reapers.

Daredevil eat reaper alive, druid’s I don’t find to be ‘as’ bad.

Of course, everyone might have different interpretations based on their classes, too, but I’d say a huge part of this comes down to builds considering many classes still have the potential to practically hard-counter Reaper. I’m sure other classes have similar issues.

EDIT: This was in reference to Zintro

You missed one. Berserker isn’t 0.
Berserker > Warrior

I wish I was joking.

Zintrothen.1056 got it better than OP.

But this varies with the build and the pilot.

Some Expert Engi will always be better at Scrapper than an Expert Necro at the same “talent/skill” level.

Each build pilot got their own weakness in 1v1. So, it’s harder to judge the list of a main engi scrapper versus the list of another main engi scrapper at the same level.

So, this is totally subjective and relative.

Those kind of post are rubbish and their value are kinda bork.

Perhaps it can give a general picture, but I’ve seen Warrior lately, killing Scrapper or Druid without too much problem in 1v1 at same skill level. And I will never say that Warrior > Scrapper or Druid because of that.

DH = Scrapper in 1v1
Usually Scrapper (the good ones) win the majority 1v1 fights. On sides DH will contest/cap the point because Scrapper will LoS and kite off point best he can. Scrapper will prob win due to heavy kite + LoS but he’ll lose the point (just for the record, they’re still even in 1v1)

Dh > Chrono 1v1
They’re otherwise even depending on builds but DH comes out on top most fights.

DH > Tempest
Not sure who says otherwise..

DH is 50/50 vs Rev and sometimes Mesmer depending on buildvsbuild

@ OP, DH should be 3rd on the list.

As a scrapper, I am pretty much at the mercy of a DH which has his CD’s up and teleports in with the super nuke and trap attack. It is very hard to not get decapped / dead against one who pulls that.

A good Herald can also draw me to a stand still. Well played elementalists will also draw to stand still of silliness.

Necros can cause me such pain its not funny with boon corruption and conditions…. the problem being that my condition cleansing in all active cases comes with a boon… which can then be corrupted to put conditions right back on me.

Mesmers will take me out if I stand point, though if I run from point and then range it with mortar I can escape the clones and contest.

Rangers I generally don’t fear too much.

Theives, my particular build can draw to stand off AND I can keep point (mostly).

So for just my personal experience against evenly skilled opponents.

Scrapper > theives (if build tanky and give up damage, but then lose to other classes below)
Scrapper == guardians, depending on who gets the drop (but cannot hold point against).
Scrapper ~< good necro (but its close enough I don’t whine. )
Scrapper ~> mes (Scrapper can escape mes, tipping it a bit in our favour)
Scrapper > ranger
Scrapper == Ele (this is always a tough one and I see 50/50 on it)

Dakarius.3284:

Floplag.4032:

Im pretty sure you need a better understanding of how to beat a DH.

The only way a DD beats a DH is with p/p (more or less unviable) or the DH is terrible.

That is true, DH are a basic counter to a thief… as each class should have. It isnt necessarily a completely forgone conclusion though the odds are very much in the DH favor in that particular fight.
I was referring more to the comments on Chrono and Druid and a few others

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Tontonino.9736:

Reaper should not be in spot 5 for 1v1s

Well, because you start pvp games with 0 life force, so this is as accurate as it goes.

This is no argument, this situation just counts for the first 20 seconds of a pvp fight, then no more. So it is a really small time frame.

And I will take a wild guess and say you are a reaper main….. because no one who isn’t a reaper main would put it in such a bad position.

Dakarius.3284:

Floplag.4032:

Im pretty sure you need a better understanding of how to beat a DH.

The only way a DD beats a DH is with p/p (more or less unviable) or the DH is terrible.

Not true. Staff 2 can chain for some decent weakness application that reduces the DH’s dodging output while steal can cause stealth leading to the staff 1 knockdown. DH has good stability access so timing this is critical.

Mooncow.6847:

This list is riddled with inaccuracies

yepp, pretty inaccurate.

Also, 1v1 strength =/= tier-list….

Take Druid for example, who is decent in 1v1’s, but at best mid-tier in teamfights.

It also depends heavily on the meta; if no1 plays a certain class in pvp, it doesn’t matter whether or not another class does well against it in 1v1’s.

So you’re saying that there is no conceivable build for any other elite spec that has any kind of potential conceptual advantage in a 1v1 against any conceivable scrapper build? Can you please explain your reasoning?

DH > D/D Tempest

DH < Staff Tempest

Let me guess, the OP is a terrible Reaper.

Reaper < Herald !???

Is OP playing power Reaper?

Reaper is harder to judge because of life force.
It is easy to 1v1 a reaper with scrapper/druid when they have 0 life force. Just try to negate their staff opening at all cost and then you can spam skills to win. However, against a reaper with 75%+ life force, it becomes extremely hard even as a scrapper.

Mooncow.6847:

This list is riddled with inaccuracies

This.

bigmonto.4215:

Let me guess, the OP is a terrible Reaper.

Reaper < Herald !???

Is OP playing power Reaper?

That’s the only explanation.

While i get it’s the popular thing right now to think that warrior/berserker is completely helpless against all classes, i’d like to rectify that a gunzerker will eat a DH alive. Gunflame? More like boom, headshot!

It’s a cheap spec, but it’s very effective against low hp classes. Not really viable in serious pvp. You will however notice that a DH’s first instinct when he engages you is to pop shield of courage, despite the fact that you have signet of might. After having done that to a couple of DH’s, when i run DH i always check to see if the warrior has a rifle before engaging, then i get ready to pop renewed focus when i see them go berserk.

Forestgreen.7981:

You missed one. Berserker isn’t 0.
Berserker > Warrior

I wish I was joking.

Lol

My chronomancer is deeply offended. :c

You guys are just getting trolled. The OP is just trying to make a point that scrapper is strong. Anyone who plays the game knows reaper > scrapper. It’s a hard counter.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Who hold more advantages over who in pvp battles. This is just about advantages, anyone can beat anyone if played very well.

Scrapper > Reaper
Scrapper > Herald
Scrapper > Daredevil
Scrapper > Chronomanser
Scrapper > Dragon Hunter
Scrapper > Berserker
Scrapper > Druid
Scrapper > Tempest

Reaper < Herald
Reaper < Daredevil
Reaper > Chronomancer
Reaper < Dragon Hunter
Reaper > Berserker
Reaper = Druid
Reaper = Tempest

Herald = Daredevil
Herald > Chronomancer
Herald = Dragon Hunter
Herald > Berserker
Herald > Druid
Herald > Tempest

Daredevil > Chronomancer
Daredevil > Dragon Hunter
Daredevil > Berserker
Daredevil = Druid
Daredevil > Tempest

Chronomancer < Dragon Hunter
Chronomancer = Berserker
Chronomancer < Druid
Chornomancer < Tempest

Dragon Hunter > Berserker
Dragon Hunter < Druid
Dragon Hunter = Tempest

Berserker < Druid
Berserker < Tempest

Druid > Tempest

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If someone is stronger than something else is +1, then each elite specialization would have this score:

Scrapper: 8
Reaper: 2
Herald: 5
Daredevil: 5
Chronomancer: 0
Dragon Hunter: 3
Berserker: 0
Druid: 4
Tempest: 2

Simple math and math never lie.

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So, elite specialization tier liest is:
1) Scrapper
2) Herald and Daredevil
3) Druid
4) Dragon Hunter
5) Reaper and Tempest
6) Chronomancer and Berserker

so you’re trying to tell us that reaper who corrupt boobs boons cannot beat a scrapper who spam boobs boons ?

style.6173:

You guys are just getting trolled. The OP is just trying to make a point that scrapper is strong. Anyone who plays the game knows reaper > scrapper. It’s a hard counter.

yup. scrapper spam boons but reaper will just keep on corrupting them.

Lol. This is a “Nerf Scrapper” thread posted in a poorly constructed disguise.

Daredevil vs Berserker can be a toss up depending if both players are equal skill level.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Who hold more advantages over who in pvp battles. This is just about advantages, anyone can beat anyone if played very well.

Scrapper > Reaper
Scrapper > Herald
Scrapper > Daredevil
Scrapper > Chronomanser
Scrapper > Dragon Hunter
Scrapper > Berserker
Scrapper > Druid
Scrapper > Tempest

Reaper < Herald
Reaper < Daredevil
Reaper > Chronomancer
Reaper < Dragon Hunter
Reaper > Berserker
Reaper = Druid
Reaper = Tempest

Herald = Daredevil
Herald > Chronomancer
Herald = Dragon Hunter
Herald > Berserker
Herald > Druid
Herald > Tempest

Daredevil > Chronomancer
Daredevil > Dragon Hunter
Daredevil > Berserker
Daredevil = Druid
Daredevil > Tempest

Chronomancer < Dragon Hunter
Chronomancer = Berserker
Chronomancer < Druid
Chornomancer < Tempest

Dragon Hunter > Berserker
Dragon Hunter < Druid
Dragon Hunter = Tempest

Berserker < Druid
Berserker < Tempest

Druid > Tempest

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If someone is stronger than something else is +1, then each elite specialization would have this score:

Scrapper: 8
Reaper: 2
Herald: 5
Daredevil: 5
Chronomancer: 0
Dragon Hunter: 3
Berserker: 0
Druid: 4
Tempest: 2

Simple math and math never lie.

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So, elite specialization tier liest is:
1) Scrapper
2) Herald and Daredevil
3) Druid
4) Dragon Hunter
5) Reaper and Tempest
6) Chronomancer and Berserker

Math gimme nosebleedz!.. nurf Statistikz ples

Here’s my List:

- Reaper > Everything but full anti-condi Ele, which is about even against reaper, but will loose in most other MU’s, so no1 will play it like that most likely.
- Scrapper > Everything but Reaper, which beats it and some Ele builds, which can maybe hold a point against it.
- Druid > Everything but Reaper and Scrapper.
- Ele: Can beat almost everything it is specifically built to beat, except tanky Scrappers and Druids, which would be even. Again, the Ele will suffer huge losses against things he isn’t built to beat (like if Ele goes full anti-condi, it has decent chances against reaper, but power-dps will likely shred it.)

Those will be the classes used to 1v1, the others don’t matter in terms of 1v1.

This is not nerf that or buff other post. This is just my personal experience (p.s. i am still searching for my main, i am tempted with Scrapper, but it might get nerfed in the next update) when two classes meet with 0 adrenaline, 0 life force, 0 celestial force and no preparations before hand (none of abilities used or/and on cooldown).

Game after game this list is proven to be right. It don’t just happen for first 1 minute of the fight, because when you get resurrected, you still don’t start with full life force, full adrenaline, full celestial force.

If i had to make a list of who beats who at top of their power (prepared, with full resources, traps are set and not on cooldown), then i would have to make something like this:
1. Scrapper and Druid
2. Reaper and Dragon Hunter
3. Herald, Daredevil and Tempest
4. Chronomancer and Berserker
(And this is without core specs, and about most popular builds)

If you start to count core spects, different underground builds, advantages in certain maps (like to push enemy out of a map or easily hide somewhere), then anyone could be top spec or bottom spec.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

1. Scrapper and Druid
2. Reaper and Dragon Hunter
3. Herald, Daredevil and Tempest
4. Chronomancer and Berserker
(And this is without core specs, and about most popular builds)

No. Switch Druid with Daredevil, DH with Herald and possibly..

Druid can build up celestial nonsense, Dragon Hunter can set traps before hand and have them out of cooldown.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

style.6173:

You guys are just getting trolled. The OP is just trying to make a point that scrapper is strong. Anyone who plays the game knows reaper > scrapper. It’s a hard counter.

yup. scrapper spam boons but reaper will just keep on corrupting them.

And then scrapper just cleanses them…get out, necro isn’t a hard counter to scrapper.

A lot of this is based on 1 v 1’s, but the real test will be how they function in organized team settings.

Pyriall.1683:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

style.6173:

You guys are just getting trolled. The OP is just trying to make a point that scrapper is strong. Anyone who plays the game knows reaper > scrapper. It’s a hard counter.

yup. scrapper spam boons but reaper will just keep on corrupting them.

And then scrapper just cleanses them…get out, necro isn’t a hard counter to scrapper.

A lot of this is based on 1 v 1’s, but the real test will be how they function in organized team settings.

It’s why this list doesn’t matter. Druids have a build that will 100-0 a Guardian but underperform 2x worse in TPvP… Same goes for other builds & classes. The performance in tpvp is completely different.

That said, the chart is still amusing. And seeing other people’s input, they either aren’t at the skill cap to beat X build or they haven’t fought X build to know any better.
(Recently fought a reflect condi ele that my dh couldn’t beat, for example)

Mooncow.6847:

This list is riddled with inaccuracies

sure, but at least he got it right that Mesmer is in the kitten tier.

Scrapper daredevil first and second? But gw2 is not a 1v1 game! Tempest, herald, Dh, chrono, reaper, druid have so many to offer in group. If you want to win all your 1v1 go daredevil or scrapper but in group be sure that is not the best option.

Conclusion: all classes have their advantages and negative sides stop wine and go learning how to play your classe in different situations.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Reaper < Dragon Hunter

…stopped reading after this…

How are we defining these 1v1 matchups? Are we talking about true 1v1s or practical 1v1s?
In a true 1v1 (a duel) a reaper should lose vs almost everything because the reaper would be starting with 0 life force.
In a practical 1v1 (a node contest in a match) it’s much more murky because chances are the reaper would be coming in with some amount of life force, probably not full LF but probably not 0 LF either.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

so you’re trying to tell us that reaper who corrupt boobs boons cannot beat a scrapper who spam boobs boons ?

Can we be realistic here? Necros might have the most boon corrupt in the game, but they don’t actually have all that much boon corrupt at least for meta builds.

Unless a necro is investing everything they possibly can into boon corrupts a scrapper (and eles) should still be able to easily push out boons much faster than the necro can corrupt.
Which actually makes it harder b/c when you only have 2 corrupts on a signet and your target has a plethora of different boons, the chances of you corrupting a important/hard to replace boon is minimal.

I’d actually go so far as to say that necro boon corruption is actually stronger against classes that put out moderate amounts of boons, since it’s much harder for those classes to recover boons.

Ragnarox.9601:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Reaper < Dragon Hunter

…stopped reading after this…

To be fair if a reaper goes into a fight against a DH with 0 life force, the DH is going to win easily.
Of course if a reaper goes into a fight against a DH with full life force, the reaper will most likely win.

How DH actually is
Dh > DD, berserker, chrono, herald
Dh= reaper, tempest
Dh < scrapper, druid

You tell me how Tempest beats Reaper. It’s the impossible match-up for Tempest…

Alekt.5803:

You tell me how Tempest beats Reaper. It’s the impossible match-up for Tempest…

No it isn’t??? What kind of build do you run? Depending on what you run it even tips in the Tempest’s favor, more more or less it’s fairly close one way or another.

(Focus+Diamond skin can still destroy a Reaper fairly well.)

If you run close to no condi removal, maybe.