Guild Wars 2

So, ideally no one won and everything’s balanced…

but this is the internet and we’re on video game forums, so of course we’ll all be talking about how the complete opposite is true. =P

Anyways, my vote goes to Engineer:
– Elites got significantly buffed
– Blast finisher on dodge
– They can actually see their back piece now

edit Oh yea, and also they got the ability to reveal stealth just by hitting anyone stealthed…which shouldn’t be hard for a class that spews AoE everywhere.

Yeah, the blast on dodge seems pretty strong. I don’t know, I didn’t see it all, but I feel like they’re still not buffing the right stuff. I mean, 90% of time I play fresh air and even I think that the buff to fresh air is ridiculous.

…yet we still don’t have some great elites and fgs is getting nerfed due movement skills not being affected by swifntess.

Mesmers~
-We’re all happy about mostly everything
-Significantly strengthened our supportiveness via Inspiration changes
-Survivability buffs for glass mesmers via Cripple accessibility and some good blind
-Condition buffs through both Dueling changes and Illusion changes including the changing of trait placement, specifically moving MtD down to Master tier to open up our options for GM

Dahkeus.8243:

So, ideally no one won and everything’s balanced…

but this is the internet and we’re on video game forums, so of course we’ll all be talking about how the complete opposite is true. =P

Anyways, my vote goes to Engineer:
– Elites got significantly buffed
– Blast finisher on dodge
– They can actually see their back piece now

“Steal” won.

It gained additional range and a few secs off the cooldown. Still remains the most OP instant ability in the game.

Gabriell.4856:

Dahkeus.8243:

So, ideally no one won and everything’s balanced…

but this is the internet and we’re on video game forums, so of course we’ll all be talking about how the complete opposite is true. =P

Anyways, my vote goes to Engineer:
– Elites got significantly buffed
– Blast finisher on dodge
– They can actually see their back piece now

“Steal” won.

It gained additional range and a few secs off the cooldown. Still remains the most OP instant ability in the game.

You say that now, but wait till you get fresh air proc on you permanently.

Laraley.7695:

Yeah, the blast on dodge seems pretty strong. I don’t know, I didn’t see it all, but I feel like they’re still not buffing the right stuff. I mean, 90% of time I play fresh air and even I think that the buff to fresh air is ridiculous.

…yet we still don’t have some great elites and fgs is getting nerfed due movement skills not being affected by swifntess.

100% agree. I feel like the ele changes were thought out pretty poorly. Didn’t really buff the things that needed it and moved alot of strength into uninteresting parts of the build. Removal of lingering elements right as you buff soothing mist? Healing Power ele’s highest source of group healing is just going to be a 0 interaction passive effect now that encourages camping water. Fire camp staff build getting buffs yet again promoting boring and passive gameplay.

Fresh air had no cooldown when it was first introduced anyway…

who won? Engi>Ele>Mesmer

Mesmers deserve the changes more so though.

Thieves got more damage and better steal, and access to Shadow Arts to boot. As if they needed more help being the supreme Berserker class.

Gabriell.4856:

Dahkeus.8243:

So, ideally no one won and everything’s balanced…

but this is the internet and we’re on video game forums, so of course we’ll all be talking about how the complete opposite is true. =P

Anyways, my vote goes to Engineer:
– Elites got significantly buffed
– Blast finisher on dodge
– They can actually see their back piece now

“Steal” won.

It gained additional range and a few secs off the cooldown. Still remains the most OP instant ability in the game.

Eh, it hardly makes a difference. Range was never really a limiting factor with steal and you could chain teleports to jump to someone from way across the map already. The cd reduction is nice though.

Engi won there can be no argument against it.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

Fresh air had no cooldown when it was first introduced anyway…
.

Necromancers were close to immortal in beta. Does it mean they should be that way again?

Laraley.7695:

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

Fresh air had no cooldown when it was first introduced anyway…
.

Necromancers were close to immortal in beta. Does it mean they should be that way again?

I was trying to imply I got to play Fresh Air when it was first introduced with no cooldown and the change to be is nothing new and also this was not as long gone and forgotten as beta.

Now no one said anything about Necromancers and how it was before the official release so begone and let my Necromancer drown in silence.

The fresh air change isn’t even that good. You’re locking yourself out of other attunements if you want to be using it much more than once every 5 seconds anwyays.

The steal buff is nice sure, but thieves aren’t seeing too many improvements traitwise and lock-on is gonna destroy them anyways.

I would say engi won by far. Whoever was designing this engi stuff better have some really good explanations when supply crate gets nerfed in 6 months.

Laraley.7695:

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

Fresh air had no cooldown when it was first introduced anyway…
.

Necromancers were close to immortal in beta. Does it mean they should be that way again?

Oh well…thieves will insta teleport/spike you from 1200 range, well outside of scepter range, the fresh air ele will be dead regardless in most cases

Linnael.1069:

The fresh air change isn’t even that good. You’re locking yourself out of other attunements if you want to be using it much more than once every 5 seconds anwyays.

The steal buff is nice sure, but thieves aren’t seeing too many improvements traitwise and lock-on is gonna destroy them anyways.

I would say engi won by far. Whoever was designing this engi stuff better have some really good explanations when supply crate gets nerfed in 6 months.

Well, that’s exactly the problem. They introduced traits that will lock you in attunements, which goes against the way ele was played till now. You cannot fully trait for one attunement to be able to get locked there and do fine, yet they’re pushing the gameplay this way. My idea was to actually remove the damage from all instant kitten fresh air has and move it somewhere else. I dunno I just don’t enjoy this whole instant stuff no tell gameplay.

Necro won.

This is why:

Terrifying Descent: When you take falling damage, inflict fear for 1 second on nearby foes. Reduces fall damage by 50%.

They are going to jump off cliffs and just fear everyone. Not only that – they will take half damage whilst doing it.

Nerf please.

Laraley.7695:

Linnael.1069:

The fresh air change isn’t even that good. You’re locking yourself out of other attunements if you want to be using it much more than once every 5 seconds anwyays.

The steal buff is nice sure, but thieves aren’t seeing too many improvements traitwise and lock-on is gonna destroy them anyways.

I would say engi won by far. Whoever was designing this engi stuff better have some really good explanations when supply crate gets nerfed in 6 months.

Well, that’s exactly the problem. They introduced traits that will lock you in attunements, which goes against the way ele was played till now. You cannot fully trait for one attunement to be able to get locked there and do fine, yet they’re pushing the gameplay this way. My idea was to actually remove the damage from all instant kitten fresh air has and move it somewhere else. I dunno I just don’t enjoy this whole instant stuff no tell gameplay.

What are you even smoking. The best pve dps build sits in one attunement all day long and they’re only buffing it. The only other change that promotes attunement camping is the soothing mists thing, but that’s crap and everybody knows it. There’s nothing that suggests they’re promoting one-attunement builds without giving you the resources to do it well enough.

Fresh air with this change is good design. Gives you the option for more spike damage but forces you to think about utility access as the tradeoff. Still the same dps over time because it was always limited by the other attunements anyways.

Fresh air builds are more predictable than most other spike builds anyways. You can’t do jack to reliably block out thieves or mesmers as another zerker, but you think fresh air is the spike build that needs more counterplay? Wut

Linnael.1069:

Laraley.7695:

Linnael.1069:

The fresh air change isn’t even that good. You’re locking yourself out of other attunements if you want to be using it much more than once every 5 seconds anwyays.

The steal buff is nice sure, but thieves aren’t seeing too many improvements traitwise and lock-on is gonna destroy them anyways.

I would say engi won by far. Whoever was designing this engi stuff better have some really good explanations when supply crate gets nerfed in 6 months.

Well, that’s exactly the problem. They introduced traits that will lock you in attunements, which goes against the way ele was played till now. You cannot fully trait for one attunement to be able to get locked there and do fine, yet they’re pushing the gameplay this way. My idea was to actually remove the damage from all instant kitten fresh air has and move it somewhere else. I dunno I just don’t enjoy this whole instant stuff no tell gameplay.

What are you even smoking. The best pve dps build sits in one attunement all day long and they’re only buffing it. The only other change that promotes attunement camping is the soothing mists thing, but that’s crap and everybody knows it. There’s nothing that suggests they’re promoting one-attunement builds without giving you the resources to do it well enough.

Fresh air with this change is good design. Gives you the option for more spike damage but forces you to think about utility access as the tradeoff. Still the same dps over time because it was always limited by the other attunements anyways.

Fresh air builds are more predictable than most other spike builds anyways. You can’t do jack to reliably block out thieves or mesmers as another zerker, but you think fresh air is the spike build that needs more counterplay? Wut

More predictable? Doesn’t promote more camping? And you tell me I’m smoking something?

Difference between having a build being countered by others and a build that has skills with no cast time and tell. I guess you do enjoy such builds, but not everyone is like you.

Also, I could see some eles using the traited Soothing Mist, since it will give you 414 healing per sec for everyone if you have 800 HP. Far from being crap.

1. Thief
2. Thief
3. Thief

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

Engineer’s.. no debate

SlimChance.6593:

Engineer’s.. no debate

And you have to think, as If Engineer’s are direly in need of buffs for being in the meta.

LOL.

StickerHappy.8052:

SlimChance.6593:

Engineer’s.. no debate

And you have to think, as If Engineer’s are direly in need of buffs for being in the meta.

LOL.

They have no perma swifntess anymore, ofc they are.

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

SlimChance.6593:

Engineer’s.. no debate

And you have to think, as If Engineer’s are direly in need of buffs for being in the meta.

LOL.

They have no perma swifntess anymore, ofc they are.

Does Heavy Armor Exploit have an ICD that I missed? It’s not OOC, but still….

Maugetarr.6823:

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

SlimChance.6593:

Engineer’s.. no debate

And you have to think, as If Engineer’s are direly in need of buffs for being in the meta.

LOL.

They have no perma swifntess anymore, ofc they are.

Does Heavy Armor Exploit have an ICD that I missed? It’s not OOC, but still….

Meant the nerf to Speedy kits, but no clue I only saw the ele one and then went back to studying, but I was informed about this change.

StickerHappy.8052:

Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?

no since wh wont convert condis to boons anymore and cele amu gets nerved? aka less powerfull shoutbows…zerker warri (bottomtier spec atm) becomes viable…braindead? I think you’re new to pvp…

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

SlimChance.6593:

Engineer’s.. no debate

And you have to think, as If Engineer’s are direly in need of buffs for being in the meta.

LOL.

They have no perma swifntess anymore, ofc they are.

I think they want us (thieves) to be able to run away when getting hit with Lock on.
Thief goes in, get hit by random AoE, thief runs away. And Dark Syze wanted fun and challenging gameplay? lol
Don´t complain about the new troll-build 60660 or 00666.
Thieves were already not ment to engage into a 1vs1 against every class except mesmer (on high level gameplay). Now we will camp shortbow, go in for a low-health-target to kill it and run away even more.

This one is easy.

1. Engi
2. Ele
3. Mesmer

Zenith.7301:

Thieves got more damage and better steal, and access to Shadow Arts to boot. As if they needed more help being the supreme Berserker class.

Check out mesmer. They will be scary good as a burst class.

Darksteel.8412:

StickerHappy.8052:

Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?

no since wh wont convert condis to boons anymore and cele amu gets nerved? aka less powerfull shoutbows…zerker warri (bottomtier spec atm) becomes viable…braindead? I think you’re new to pvp…

Lol. me new?
you guys still have HS? Spiked armor? so… thats not braindead?

StickerHappy.8052:

Darksteel.8412:

StickerHappy.8052:

Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?

no since wh wont convert condis to boons anymore and cele amu gets nerved? aka less powerfull shoutbows…zerker warri (bottomtier spec atm) becomes viable…braindead? I think you’re new to pvp…

Lol. me new?
you guys still have HS? Spiked armor? so… thats not braindead?

Tbh every class is getting more braindead since they’re handing out passive stuff.

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Not angry just felt like using an exclamation point :P
But anyways wow good thing your not a dev, if it was up to you engies would end up as punching bags

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Not angry just felt like using an exclamation point :P
But anyways wow good thing your not a dev, if it was up to you engies would end up as punching bags

Tool kit is on literally every build. Slick shoes is borderline exploitative. I’m really not seeing how anything the guy above you is saying is out of line.

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

Darksteel.8412:

StickerHappy.8052:

Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?

no since wh wont convert condis to boons anymore and cele amu gets nerved? aka less powerfull shoutbows…zerker warri (bottomtier spec atm) becomes viable…braindead? I think you’re new to pvp…

Lol. me new?
you guys still have HS? Spiked armor? so… thats not braindead?

Tbh every class is getting more braindead since they’re handing out passive stuff.

Well, there’s less passivity, meaning more active traits. For instance, using Mesmer as my example since I’m most familiar with it, Mirror of Anguish is very passive as it just procs without anything the mesmer does. Chaotic Interruption, however, is more active as far as traits go, proccing as a consequence of the mesmer’s own actions and reactions rather than as an automatic reaction.

This is what I believe Stickers means by active vs passive[AKA braindead, as he puts it].

I’m not sure why everyone is saying engineer. Engineer did received a lot of new, interesting traits. However you can no longer pick up all the cele rifle engi traits in one build. I think it’s more of a side-grade than an outright buff.

I would say warriors made out best. Shoutbow is even better than it is currently.

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Not angry just felt like using an exclamation point :P
But anyways wow good thing your not a dev, if it was up to you engies would end up as punching bags

Not listing all the great stuff you got, but you took some hits and got some compensation and then some~ And you were already in an ok place before![<Unnecessary exclamation, not angry] Thus, while you can complain, be grateful as you got more than you gave.

Also, being nerfed in some places and buffed in others is called “balancing”, it isn’t all buffing so you should always expect to take some hits if certain things are a bit too good, AKA grenades being able to lay out AoE damage and condition barrages from 1200 range. Now you have to be in reasonable range to lay down that damage, or just take Mortar and barrage from 1500 range instead. Really, give and take, as I said.

Exedore.6320:

I’m not sure why everyone is saying engineer. Engineer did received a lot of new, interesting traits. However you can no longer pick up all the cele rifle engi traits in one build. I think it’s more of a side-grade than an outright buff.

I would say warriors made out best. Shoutbow is even better than it is currently.

I think everybody just hates shoutbow so much that we can just call it a nerf to the class as a whole whenever shoutbow gets buffed :P. That and the condiconversion going away could be pretty big.

Because shoutbows got nothing on the buffs ele and engi received. +warrior was hit hard in other areas that negate a lot of the buffs they were given.

And every other warrior build isn’t even playable anymore. It’s shoutbow or reroll.

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Wahahahaha. You actually believe the crap you wrote?

“favorite class” “all the buffs”. Engineers barely ever received buffs, mostly nerfs. The whole reason Engineers suddenly got into the meta wasn’t because Engineers got outrageous buffs (like Warriors did a few years ago), but simply because the meta changed enough that what kept Engineers out for more than 2 years, wasn’t in it anymore.

anet is notoriously slow when it comes to balance changes, we all know that. That’s why Warriors were left to dominate (and still do!) for more than 2 years now. And i don’t think Guardian has ever NOT been part of the meta, or Thief for that matter.

Even the oh soooo “pitiful” Ranger has shown up more consistently as a top contender in pvp.

Favorite class… what a joke you are.

Everything were buffed except for warrior and guardian didnt get much change

Terrahero.9358:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Exile.8160:

Penguin.5197:

Not engie.

We lost speedy kits. :/

Oh no they took your perma swiftness… Im suprise it even lasted this long. Also you guys got so many good thing from the patch you cant even complain.

Can and will!
Apart from that, no more ssrb and nades took a hit. I mean we got some nice stuff but with the hits there’s no way engie “won” the balance changes.

your angry because you cant spam nades from 1200 range? lol again im suprised it lasted that long. Dude engis have been anet fav class for a long time with nothing but buff all the time and you complain cuz some few OP stuff got put in place? and im also suprise tool kit or Slick shoes didn’t get touch either. you engis have it made tbh.

Wahahahaha. You actually believe the crap you wrote?

“favorite class” “all the buffs”. Engineers barely ever received buffs, mostly nerfs. The whole reason Engineers suddenly got into the meta wasn’t because Engineers got outrageous buffs (like Warriors did a few years ago), but simply because the meta changed enough that what kept Engineers out for more than 2 years, wasn’t in it anymore.

anet is notoriously slow when it comes to balance changes, we all know that. That’s why Warriors were left to dominate (and still do!) for more than 2 years now. And i don’t think Guardian has ever NOT been part of the meta, or Thief for that matter.

Even the oh soooo “pitiful” Ranger has shown up more consistently as a top contender in pvp.

Favorite class… what a joke you are.

I’m not sure I follow what you mean as a “top contender”. Are you basing this off of the high level tournaments or personal experience? The high level scene is almost devoid of rangers.

Necros by far. We have so much sustain, our heal skill tries to kill us to help you ignorant scrubs who play other professions.

In my opinion classes that got niche stuff:
- Mesmer
- Engineer
- Thief

Classes that got quite a nerf:
- Warrior
- Necromancer

As to some do not list thief then why don’t you take into account few things:
- Better sustain
- better access to fury
- HP + Initiative regen in one go

:v

the ranger changes were pretty incredible:
to name a few:
defensive traits giving 33% less damage above 90%,
attacks causing weakness and giving protection (thats MASSIVE mitigation)
5% less damage whenever you have regen, and tons of passive regen.

1500 longbow range and 100% faster velocity by default

spike trap will now knockdown (letting more condi ticks stack up)
damage is more front loaded and punishing now
traits allow for more poison and bleed damage,
all traps apply cripple (making it take longer to get out)
60% faster trap recharge (alot faster than current iirc)

general pet buffs, all stats up 150

call of the wild on weapon swap (might fury swiftness)
66% faster skill recharge on weapon swap!
combine these 2 traits and you can let off a nasty rapid fire, and then another rapid fire 4 seconds later (20 stacks of vuln and a TON of damage)

Engi by far:

• AoE Moa
• Blast on dogde
• Any blast will heal, of course that means blasting water field heals even more
• A bunch of skills got cool down reduced (like Slick Shoes—as if it’s too weak)
• Drop a mine and med kit that heals for ~1000 icd only 2 seconds
• 6 blast finishers with crate if needed. Potential to heal party to full in a few seconds, while doing damage and stun.
• If you want, perma stability that refreshes every 3s. Gotta dominate that stronghold/stomp/rez

Engi will continue to be meta for pvp.

P.S: oh, and that Lock On gonna be fun for Thief/Mesmer too. Basically the buffs move Engi to the top of God Tier, where each team must have one.

celestial engi won’t be meta anymore. maybe we’ll see a valkyre or knight variation.