Guild Wars 2

Ok I’ll admit the new thief builds are going to be ridiculous.
I’m still standing by the stance that engi and mesmer got stronger changes and so they “won”, but thief as a whole is always closest to the edge of imba, and so will probs end up stronger after the patch.

Linnael.1069:

Ok I’ll admit the new thief builds are going to be ridiculous.
I’m still standing by the stance that engi and mesmer got stronger changes and so they “won”, but thief as a whole is always closest to the edge of imba, and so will probs end up stronger after the patch.

Kinda funny how thief and engi already are really strong.

Can someone send a link to the video in which they explain the upcoming changes for classes after they explained Ranger?

Or post, announcement, whatever.

rchu.8945:

still cant compete against Thief for a meta spot, so Mesmer remains borderline irrelevant. Thief’s buffs just made them even better at its role, and more effective in killing Mesmers.

TL;DR version → This is why i say mesmers gained more than thieves: thieves went from 7 power 7 defense to 8 power 8 defense, mesmers went from 7 power 4 defense to 8 power 6 defense. (thieves still on top but mesmers gained more overall)

predicted tournament thief builds -> 6 0 0 6 6 s/d and 6 0 6 0 6 d/p
predicted 1v1 room troll build -> 0 0 6 6 6 with 50% of the damage coming from fire/air combo.

Ignoring the king of the hill build (which may or may not see actual tournament play depending on how the meta developes) nothing drastically changed for thieves, there were some cool additions, sure, but it’s nothing completely new, just an improvement over what was already there. Thieves just got better at their job but guess what ? They already were the best at their job.

Mesmers on the other hand received a lot of much needed love, 6 domination 6 dueling got a flat buff to damage output. Not only that but you also get to choose between blind on shatter or 1.5s of reflection after evasion (both very helpful in a lot of matchups, including vs thieves).
After that you could go 6 chaos for chaotic interruption +regen/protection minors, 6 inspiration for condition hate +extra sustain, 6 illusions for an extra condition boost on your shatters.

Diehard mesmer purists will probably play 6 6 0 0 6 and even with such an extreme build they will survive better than current mesmers thanks to the new traits in domination.

6 into chaos could be used in place of confounding suggestions in some weird build without domination.

But the build that i predict will be most popular is 6 6 0 6 0, maxed inspiration will turn some matchups around, tournament mesmers will no longer die from a single pry bar/incendiary powder/weapon swap combo, they will be able to cleanse conditions, gain access to another source of healing outside of ether feast and top it off with a bit of additional party support.

This is why i say mesmers received more than thieves this time around, thieves went from 7 power 7 defense to 8 power 8 defense, mesmers went from 7 power 4 defense to 8 power 6 defense.

Quadox.7834:

Linnael.1069:

Ok I’ll admit the new thief builds are going to be ridiculous.
I’m still standing by the stance that engi and mesmer got stronger changes and so they “won”, but thief as a whole is always closest to the edge of imba, and so will probs end up stronger after the patch.

Kinda funny how thief and engi already are really strong.

Dude what are you talking about they are powerless before the likes of lifesteal necro and axe warrior :P

Gabriell.4856:

Dahkeus.8243:

So, ideally no one won and everything’s balanced…

but this is the internet and we’re on video game forums, so of course we’ll all be talking about how the complete opposite is true. =P

Anyways, my vote goes to Engineer:
– Elites got significantly buffed
– Blast finisher on dodge
– They can actually see their back piece now

“Steal” won.

It gained additional range and a few secs off the cooldown. Still remains the most OP instant ability in the game.

It is not actually a CD reduction but they splitted the reduction you get from trickery -that every1 has- into baseline. And the whole trickery line used up by your “OP” steal. Even so, steal doesn’t win u a duel with the cele beasts or other op classes like gua.
Not OP but mabye does so many things on 1 command. other classes have up to 4 class specific skills, while thief has 1. its not op.

lifesteal necro sounds stupid on paper but it’s a huge hp sponge in 1v1, even more now that their lifesteal will heal them through deathshroud.
Prepare to kneel before your new necro overlords.

Kicker.8203:

its not op.

Not even a bit. Show me another insta auto pilot skill which does so much just by pressing 1 key.

Lachanche.6859:

lifesteal necro sounds stupid on paper but it’s a huge hp sponge in 1v1, even more now that their lifesteal will heal them through deathshroud.
Prepare to kneel before your new necro overlords.

I play wellsteal bunker, shush up and keep telling everybody blood is crap before they figure out where to nerf us again.

rangers are basically kittenting aoe weakness now, and they’ve received multiple other buffs that enable them to tank a lot of burst. I don’t think thieves will be much of a problem for condi rangers, but only time will tell.

1. engis
2. everything else
3. necros~

Cynz.9437:

1. engis
2. everything else
3. necros~

Well, at least you’re honest when Necros get kicked. Respect.

btw what class do you think will be the first to get hit by the nerfhammer post trait changes ?
I put my money on necro, i think consume condition only got half the ride the lighting treatement, time to bring up that cd to fortyfive seconds.

rchu.8945:

style.6173:

rchu.8945:

Nyx.7342:

who wins the balance? engies. Already really strong and enjoyable, now more strong and interesting. Friend told me about 6 months ago that the balance devs were ahem, not smart about changes and turns out even tho i didnt believe him then, i believe him now. Movement changes, buffs to already really strong classes….its like wtf are they doing.

But props on mesmer changes

Mesmer changes look good on paper, but let’s not forget Anet gave even more love to thieves. In the end, Mesmers still going to be suboptimal, and not really inclusive in the meta classes because thieves will still own them.

Engineers didnt need any buffs, the lock-on trait should be given to more classes, such as Mesmer that has a hard time against thieves.

Mesmer and engi received the biggest buffs in the game. Shatter is going to be insane.

still cant compete against Thief for a meta spot, so Mesmer remains borderline irrelevant. Thief’s buffs just made them even better at its role, and more effective in killing Mesmers.

No. Mesmers got a huge buff to their main spec. Think about in EU already. Two of the 3 best teams (TCG and 55) already ran mesmers. Just watch after the patch. You will start to see a lot more mesmers. My guess is that you play on NA. NA has just been slower to transition.

Lachanche.6859:

lifesteal necro sounds stupid on paper but it’s a huge hp sponge in 1v1, even more now that their lifesteal will heal them through deathshroud.
Prepare to kneel before your new necro overlords.

You know what, I hope your right. It is about time the Necro had some sustain and some ability to keep up with the dev’s favorite meta classes.

style.6173:

rchu.8945:

style.6173:

rchu.8945:

Nyx.7342:

who wins the balance? engies. Already really strong and enjoyable, now more strong and interesting. Friend told me about 6 months ago that the balance devs were ahem, not smart about changes and turns out even tho i didnt believe him then, i believe him now. Movement changes, buffs to already really strong classes….its like wtf are they doing.

But props on mesmer changes

Mesmer changes look good on paper, but let’s not forget Anet gave even more love to thieves. In the end, Mesmers still going to be suboptimal, and not really inclusive in the meta classes because thieves will still own them.

Engineers didnt need any buffs, the lock-on trait should be given to more classes, such as Mesmer that has a hard time against thieves.

Mesmer and engi received the biggest buffs in the game. Shatter is going to be insane.

still cant compete against Thief for a meta spot, so Mesmer remains borderline irrelevant. Thief’s buffs just made them even better at its role, and more effective in killing Mesmers.

No. Mesmers got a huge buff to their main spec. Think about in EU already. Two of the 3 best teams (TCG and 55) already ran mesmers. Just watch after the patch. You will start to see a lot more mesmers. My guess is that you play on NA. NA has just been slower to transition.

Not to mention they’re going to have counter to one of their biggest weaknesses: condition. They also have way more enhanced survivability thanks to illusionary persona as baseline. They even have blind stomp like Guardian, just that they have 5 skills to trigger them (f1~f5). Their burst damage also gets a boost.

I really think mesmer will become potentially the strongest, or on par with newly buffed thief, zerker specs post patch.

ronpierce.2760:

Cynz.9437:

1. engis
2. everything else
3. necros~

Well, at least you’re honest when Necros get kicked. Respect.

honesty doesn’t have to do anything with opinion and experience~

examples:
honesty: i don’t play ranger
opinion: slick shoes are too good~
experience: after 3500 matches on thief i think there is no point pushing far if your team consists of pugs and can’t 3v4 at mid

why are people crying about necro? they got some very strong buffs.

mistsim.2748:

why are people crying about necro? they got some very strong buffs.

Because their one viable heal and both viable elites got butchered.

Without any other skills getting buffed to help take their place.

mistsim.2748:

why are people crying about necro? they got some very strong buffs.

still lacking, in conquest at least~

and i hate necros lol (well ones with nightmare runes at least <_<)

The answer is, none of us won the balance changes. I’ll cite my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9gVQB8gss

WhiteCrow.5310:

The answer is, none of us won the balance changes. I’ll cite my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9gVQB8gss

I love you right now..

I’m dying from this.

I’m ready to bet for a huge QQ about Mesmer Shatter and Thief d/p

Stay ready

rchu.8945:

style.6173:

rchu.8945:

Nyx.7342:

who wins the balance? engies. Already really strong and enjoyable, now more strong and interesting. Friend told me about 6 months ago that the balance devs were ahem, not smart about changes and turns out even tho i didnt believe him then, i believe him now. Movement changes, buffs to already really strong classes….its like wtf are they doing.

But props on mesmer changes

Mesmer changes look good on paper, but let’s not forget Anet gave even more love to thieves. In the end, Mesmers still going to be suboptimal, and not really inclusive in the meta classes because thieves will still own them.

Engineers didnt need any buffs, the lock-on trait should be given to more classes, such as Mesmer that has a hard time against thieves.

Mesmer and engi received the biggest buffs in the game. Shatter is going to be insane.

still cant compete against Thief for a meta spot, so Mesmer remains borderline irrelevant. Thief’s buffs just made them even better at its role, and more effective in killing Mesmers.

A rupts mesmer got way more buffs than shatter mesmer and I don’t think thieves will be as hard of a counter anymore. Mesmer will do a LOT that thieves can not and will probably make it into a LOT more high lvl teams.

skowcia.8257:

Sadrien.3470:

Mesmers are happiest and had the best designed changes

ele / engi / ranger/ mesmer got the most

Necros got obliterated and had their hopes crushed #RobertPlsFix

War got a lot too

Guardian got a good amount

Rev is yet to be available

Ranger got a TON too, but nothing OP (imo, we will have to see)

Ele got its changes in the wrong way #RobertTellKarlToFixIt
( cantrips ( tornado) should be instant, fresh air should have an icd, auras should be improved, camping should be discouraged)

Rev is a freekill, i would put them next to necro in terms of viability.

What? Freekill for a class that is not yet released? #floppingisreal

WhiteCrow.5310:

The answer is, none of us won the balance changes. I’ll cite my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9gVQB8gss

lol I think I dieded laughing…

imma bury self with some virtual rocks in the coffin xD

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’m ready to bet for a huge QQ about Mesmer Shatter and Thief d/p

Stay ready

this^^

“Who won the balance changes?”
Apparently the class with the less QQs.

Warriors are on the fence.
Rangers got excited about a Red post
Mesmers are still discussing their builds
Eles feel they got buffed but aren’t 100% sure.
Engi’s are having a backpack and motor kit party.
Thieves got their buckets ready for everyone’s tears.
Necros and Guardians are complaining for some reason.

Engi’s are in the lead!

every profession will get some nerfs of varying weight no doubt, but i think engie and guardian will get the heaviest nerfs by far.

Engis got more variety doesn’t necessarily look like they are going to be stronger than they are right now in the current meta.

StickerHappy.8052:

What? Freekill for a class that is not yet released? #floppingisreal

You dont need a expert to see that rev in current form will be a freekill due to lack of stunbreaks, too situation skills without ability to swap them for something else etc.
Engi, mes and thief will eat it alive, shoutbow will support even better so i dont see rev in meta as it stands now. Just another hotjoin scrub class like necro

vincecontix.1264:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’m ready to bet for a huge QQ about Mesmer Shatter and Thief d/p

Stay ready

this^^

Yep, people like to QQ about thinks that kill them. Also, teef buffs tho.

man come on mesmers got way more than thieves this time.
damage: both classes got their damage buffed
utilities: both classes got some new useful side effects to play with
survival: THIS is where the difference is, mesmer can now pick 6 into illusions and stop dying to conditions.

I think condition guardians won buffs-wise.

-Burning now stacks intensity. Condition DPS at least doubled most of the time to quadrupled in some cases.
-Justice burn AOE is now centered on foe instead of being a PBAOE. Ranged now works.
-Burning Duration is now actually good
-Vulnerability works on Burning
-Total damage of Zealot’s Fire/Judge’s Intervention/Purging flames increased ~30%
-Extra cast of Zealot’s fire on crit (15-21 ticks of burning + 700 base physical) plus torch CDR and burning duration in same trait
-Bleeding damage buffed ~15%
-Symbols Burn
-Free permanent 30% crit for nothing
-Free GS CDR
-Free Might stacks
-Free Aegis

Mallis.4295:

I think condition guardians won buffs-wise.

-Burning now stacks intensity. Condition DPS at least doubled most of the time to quadrupled in some cases.
-Justice burn AOE is now centered on foe instead of being a PBAOE. Ranged now works.
-Burning Duration is now actually good
-Vulnerability works on Burning
-Total damage of Zealot’s Fire/Judge’s Intervention/Purging flames increased ~30%
-Extra cast of Zealot’s fire on crit (15-21 ticks of burning + 700 base physical) plus torch CDR and burning duration in same trait
-Bleeding damage buffed ~15%
-Symbols Burn
-Free permanent 30% crit for nothing
-Free GS CDR
-Free Might stacks
-Free Aegis

Haven’t you heard? Shield wasn’t changed to our liking so none of that matters xD

I can’t believe people are saying Ele are in the top 5 of most buffed. Ele didn’t even change, we got the standard power creep extra GM that everyone got and that’s it. We still have the most useless traits in the game reducing our choices further, and are pigeon held to arc/water leaving us with one other choice like we always have been, and that builds been falling out of the meta for months to shoutbow. The fresh air buff is a joke seeing how your still locked out of other attunes and you have CDs on your 2/3 anyway. The nerf to viger hurts us the most since we have literally no HP or armor and our only defense is vig/prot/regen without evading those spikes we cant regen our low as kitten hp pool. We lost many of our damage modifiers, lost our signet builds (our only other semi effective build) We still have no good elite, kitten tier utilities, and our FGs that was only used for mobility was nerfed with the movement changes.

Ranking is clearly:
Engi
Mes/War/thief
Ranger/guard
Necro/ele

WhiteCrow.5310:

The answer is, none of us won the balance changes. I’ll cite my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9gVQB8gss

Priceless.

As to who won: since we don’t have the ability to play-test, I suggest we decide based on the level of QQ on each profession forum. Should be worth some good entertainment value.

Saiyan.1704:

Necros are complaining for some reason.

Imagine if in exchange for a few tweaks, your only good heal was nerfed to the floor, and two of your elites were made worse, one having a duration too short to get anything done without a trait and the other nuking the user for 10k. On top of that, many traits that were once run together are all sitting on the same tiers. Power Necro got slightly better overall (but not in comparison to everything else), but Condition Necro is closer to the bottom of the barrel of condition builds than it has ever been.

Saiyan.1704:

“Who won the balance changes?”
Apparently the class with the less QQs.

Warriors are on the fence.
Rangers got excited about a Red post
Mesmers are still discussing their builds
Eles feel they got buffed but aren’t 100% sure.
Engi’s are having a backpack and motor kit party.
Thieves got their buckets ready for everyone’s tears.
Necros and Guardians are complaining for some reason.

Engi’s are in the lead!

Pure gold. Won the topic. Waiter, please close the order, we’re leaving.