Guild Wars 2

Since there is no competition in this game, the skill cap is so low someone can take the game and learn it for a week and be better than the top players in the top teams with the right training and strategies.

I say this because you need to train like koreans to be good at any esport since thats how real athletes train for sports. Practice with a strict routine for 12 hours a day with a couch and a number of other professionals.

Because of the very little competition and number of people playing there very littl reason to watch someone else play the game because you already learn everything in a few videos. There is hardly things that the “pro” ( I use pro here not because anyone actually can make a living off gw2 but the people who claim to be good) can do that the person who just play ladder can’t except have a good team with him every time.

Teams in LoL are pretty much in a joke of an esport compared to starcraft but even that is infinitely more competitive than GW2. GW2 has no spectators, GW2 has no real dedicated teams. GW2 has no sponsors. GW2 has no price money. GW2 is a pathetic failure as an esport unless Anet can get off their kittens and get involved.

Anet needs to sponsor free weekly tournaments with decent sized price pools(>$1000). They need to sponsor bigger LAN tournaments every few months ( > 10000). This is just to get the game off the ground. More tournies sponsored by others will come as more competition grows.

Anet doesn’t understand how esport works. Its not a game where money just comes if you have a game. Its putting money in and making a game last and then have rewards later. With money, comes players, with players come spectators with spectators come sponsors and with sponsors comes self sustained competition and more money and players into the game from the advertisement.

Also helps if the game gets more balancing once skills of teams actually reach a point where balance actually matters enough to keep people away even with a lot of money.

For LoL and dota 2 to become esports, the companies that made them respectively sank millions into tournies, marketing and teams. I don’t think anet understands this or is too greedy to care. This is why GW2 will never be seen as a large competitive esport.

Esports scene is still possible, the infrastructure is coming. It will need help and plenty of support from both players and developers.

Saying LoL is a joke of an Esport is a bit rich though. It’s the number 1 watched game on Twitch and the world championship, which had big money prize pools pretty much broke every twitch record there is. We aren’t playing LoL here though, we are playing GW2.

An Esport in its infancy. It has to learn to crawl before it can walk and then hopefully run. GW2 also fits nicely into a niche, MMORPG. There a players out there, plenty of them, that don’t like MOBA, FPS or RTS games for PvP.

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

Soyboy.3548:

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

korean starcraft players did train 12 hours a day. They do so if they want to compete in the environment. Most are generally naturally talented to a degree but the training they have for starcraft broodwar is insane. The reason why no foreigner are ever able to win Blizzard world championship series for the entire 10+ years of starcraft broodwar is because of the training and work the koreans would go through which was just not something someone who wasn’t that dedicated at the game can endure. When you have so much competition and expectations they had to practice that much.

Valkyriez.6578:

Esports scene is still possible, the infrastructure is coming. It will need help and plenty of support from both players and developers.

Saying LoL is a joke of an Esport is a bit rich though. It’s the number 1 watched game on Twitch and the world championship, which had big money prize pools pretty much broke every twitch record there is. We aren’t playing LoL here though, we are playing GW2.

An Esport in its infancy. It has to learn to crawl before it can walk and then hopefully run. GW2 also fits nicely into a niche, MMORPG. There a players out there, plenty of them, that don’t like MOBA, FPS or RTS games for PvP.

LoL’s low regards as esport mostly because the skill level isn’t there yet compared to sc bw. Even sc2 has much more people playing competitively. They train harder and play on a scale much higher than the general public comparatively to LoL. It is getting more and competitve and more and more skilled players are emerging but compared to starcraft its still in its infancy.

I am not saying LoL isn’t an esport. Its just not as competitive as starcraft. Its getting there with each large tourny. More and more skill is being shown for the game.

Humm I already have a job, I play for fun (and still own)

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

korean starcraft players did train 12 hours a day. They do so if they want to compete in the environment. Most are generally naturally talented to a degree but the training they have for starcraft broodwar is insane. The reason why no foreigner are ever able to win Blizzard world championship series for the entire 10+ years of starcraft broodwar is because of the training and work the koreans would go through which was just not something someone who wasn’t that dedicated at the game can endure. When you have so much competition and expectations they had to practice that much.

I’m not disagreeing that people who play video games may play for 12 hours a day. But seriously dude? Don’t call that training like athletics. You don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s not effective, and it’s stupid.

Esport will not happen. Anet just doesn’t have enough competence to do it. There are ~100 players in total doing paid tournaments, and it’s only like 2 hours a day. I just can’t see any way of this game ever becoming an esport. PvP will die soon.

Soyboy.3548:

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

korean starcraft players did train 12 hours a day. They do so if they want to compete in the environment. Most are generally naturally talented to a degree but the training they have for starcraft broodwar is insane. The reason why no foreigner are ever able to win Blizzard world championship series for the entire 10+ years of starcraft broodwar is because of the training and work the koreans would go through which was just not something someone who wasn’t that dedicated at the game can endure. When you have so much competition and expectations they had to practice that much.

I’m not disagreeing that people who play video games may play for 12 hours a day. But seriously dude? Don’t call that training like athletics. You don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s not effective, and it’s stupid.

maybe you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe you don’t know that some of these kids are doing that no western countries would do.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18763_5-insane-true-facts-about-starcraft-professional-sport.html

They get up to that speed by first being born with a Rain Man-like perfect storm of genetics and then training for a minimum of 10 hours a day, six days a week. Teams actually live together in barrack-like quarters, though of course they separate Protoss, Zerg and Terran players into separate rooms. Naturally.

maybe you don’t agree with the training methods but they are effective.

Rezz.8019:

Esport will not happen. Anet just doesn’t have enough competence to do it. There are ~100 players in total doing paid tournaments, and it’s only like 2 hours a day. I just can’t see any way of this game ever becoming an esport. PvP will die soon.

There would be more people playing if there was money and more incentive to be better. And the paid tournaments are stupid how they implemented. The prices are small, which isn’t so bad for constant tournies but they also have no easy way for people to access. There is no ranking and the tickets payment is stupid.

The skill cap is fine. The game just lacks the features to make it an e-sport.

Volrath.1473:

Humm I already have a job, I play for fun (and still own)

Good for you, darling, way to miss the entire point of the topic…

Esrever.8613:

Anet doesn’t understand how esport works.

True. Neither do you.

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

korean starcraft players did train 12 hours a day. They do so if they want to compete in the environment. Most are generally naturally talented to a degree but the training they have for starcraft broodwar is insane. The reason why no foreigner are ever able to win Blizzard world championship series for the entire 10+ years of starcraft broodwar is because of the training and work the koreans would go through which was just not something someone who wasn’t that dedicated at the game can endure. When you have so much competition and expectations they had to practice that much.

I’m not disagreeing that people who play video games may play for 12 hours a day. But seriously dude? Don’t call that training like athletics. You don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s not effective, and it’s stupid.

maybe you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe you don’t know that some of these kids are doing that no western countries would do.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18763_5-insane-true-facts-about-starcraft-professional-sport.html

They get up to that speed by first being born with a Rain Man-like perfect storm of genetics and then training for a minimum of 10 hours a day, six days a week. Teams actually live together in barrack-like quarters, though of course they separate Protoss, Zerg and Terran players into separate rooms. Naturally.

maybe you don’t agree with the training methods but they are effective.

He does have a point and having experienced training to get competitive in physical and electronic gaming environments I believe 12 hrs is not yielding more than say someone who does 4-5 hrs of effective training (varies per person). Your brain/body can only build so much new capacity at a time and mixing other activities within your life has shown to help keep things fresh and lessen the likely hood of burning out.

Zenyoga.6910:

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

Esrever.8613:

Soyboy.3548:

As someone with a bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology/exercise physiology, no, athletes that are pro do not train for 12 hours for a day. If anything you can get away with less training as you get older. They’re just on drugs and have great parents (ie genetics—better energy-producing enzymes, better connective tissue, etc). Take it from a former competitive collegiate and high school athlete. You can only train to your own potential, not whatever the pro level is no matter how hard you try. Accept it now

Perfect practice makes perfect, not more practice. You’ll just burnout/overtrain, and no, exercise doesn’t make you lose weight. Diet does.

korean starcraft players did train 12 hours a day. They do so if they want to compete in the environment. Most are generally naturally talented to a degree but the training they have for starcraft broodwar is insane. The reason why no foreigner are ever able to win Blizzard world championship series for the entire 10+ years of starcraft broodwar is because of the training and work the koreans would go through which was just not something someone who wasn’t that dedicated at the game can endure. When you have so much competition and expectations they had to practice that much.

I’m not disagreeing that people who play video games may play for 12 hours a day. But seriously dude? Don’t call that training like athletics. You don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s not effective, and it’s stupid.

maybe you don’t know what you are talking about. Maybe you don’t know that some of these kids are doing that no western countries would do.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18763_5-insane-true-facts-about-starcraft-professional-sport.html

They get up to that speed by first being born with a Rain Man-like perfect storm of genetics and then training for a minimum of 10 hours a day, six days a week. Teams actually live together in barrack-like quarters, though of course they separate Protoss, Zerg and Terran players into separate rooms. Naturally.

maybe you don’t agree with the training methods but they are effective.

He does have a point and having experienced training to get competitive in physical and electronic gaming environments I believe 12 hrs is not yielding more than say someone who does 4-5 hrs of effective training (varies per person). Your brain/body can only build so much new capacity at a time and mixing other activities within your life has shown to help keep things fresh and lessen the likely hood of burning out.

Very eloquently put. Asians should know that practicing the piano for hours straight is not as good as focusing while practicing, learning, and trying again later when your brain has developed new synapses. Athletics is similar except you have muscular changes that also have to occur along side the neurological. For gaming, I seriously doubt anyone is tapping their fingers for any muscular changes to occur in fingers. Everything is mental.

I train with a sammich in my hand for competitive RTS. Just as effective, much less indentured servitude. Crazy good sammiches.

Thief Wars 2 needs to have PvP that doesn’t suck for 75% of the player population from R 1 – R 30.

Top Level Meta is imaginary until there is a large enough population to care about it. That can’t happen until Thief Wars 2 starts being fun for new players.

XiL.4318:

I train with a sammich in my hand for competitive RTS. Just as effective, much less indentured servitude. Crazy good sammiches.

Thief Wars 2 needs to have PvP that doesn’t suck for 75% of the player population from R 1 – R 30.

Top Level Meta is imaginary until there is a large enough population to care about it. That can’t happen until Thief Wars 2 starts being fun for new players.

This. Also, ESport also needs to take into account of the audience. Your game can be completely balanced and full of depth but will still not draw in large crowds if the visuals aren’t suitable for general viewing. GW2 is full of superfluous spell animations and effects, none of which are particularly pleasing or aid in the understanding of the game for new players.

I can guarantee you, if someone who does not play GW2, watched a pvp encounter involving a norn and an asura, they’d ask what the gameplay differences of those 2 races are. In which an experienced player would reply; nothing. The new player will scratch his head wondering why anyone would pick a character that looks like a bigger target, and question why this was even a feature in the first place.

That’s what they said about LoL, and guess what? They were wrong. Its like starting an entrepreneurship, its a gamble all right but that doesn’t mean it has no way of succeeding. Same concept with E-sports. Except a lot of issues such as accessibility and infrastructure which should’ve been addressed is just killing this game.

Schwahrheit.4203:

That’s what they said about LoL, and guess what? They were wrong. Its like starting an entrepreneurship, its a gamble all right but that doesn’t mean it has no way of succeeding. Same concept with E-sports. Except a lot of issues such as accessibility and infrastructure which should’ve been addressed is just killing this game.

cool story bro tell it again

XiL.4318:

I train with a sammich in my hand for competitive RTS. Just as effective, much less indentured servitude. Crazy good sammiches.

Thief Wars 2 needs to have PvP that doesn’t suck for 75% of the player population from R 1 – R 30.

Top Level Meta is imaginary until there is a large enough population to care about it. That can’t happen until Thief Wars 2 starts being fun for new players.

letting thief ravage casual spvp is absolutely unacceptable. this is coming from a tpvp’er who has no issue with thieves.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Schwahrheit.4203:

That’s what they said about LoL, and guess what? They were wrong. Its like starting an entrepreneurship, its a gamble all right but that doesn’t mean it has no way of succeeding. Same concept with E-sports. Except a lot of issues such as accessibility and infrastructure which should’ve been addressed is just killing this game.

cool story bro tell it again

That’s what they said about LoL, and guess what? They were wrong. Its like starting an entrepreneurship, its a gamble all right but that doesn’t mean it has no way of succeeding. Same concept with E-sports. Except a lot of issues such as accessibility and infrastructure which should’ve been addressed is just killing this game.

This game wont be esport coz playerbase is too small. they need to do something. IMO they need less burst and bunker,more modes, lots more modes. Hellayeah

I’d rather that they make sPvP more Fun then worry about any eSports. More game modes, less stealth rubbish, and being able to spread out your stats more. Having 1 item makes your character unbalanced.

I want to play the Halloween and Christmas pvp modes again. Those were pretty fun to play.

Esport in GW2 = Free trakittenalking who got lower ranking = Esport disorder. There is no such esport in GW2 with this disorder around. Many GW2 players think they surpass my fps skill. Lmao.

Take this for what you will:

About 15 years ago, I was one of the top 20 high school runners in the US. I trained for 1.5 hours a day, 5 days a week. That’s it.

Craptrain.7203:

Take this for what you will:

About 15 years ago, I was one of the top 20 high school runners in the US. I trained for 1.5 hours a day, 5 days a week. That’s it.

Yeah, and now look at running, it’s a failed e-sport