Guild Wars 2

i read it and agree with you

I agree. I totally gave up on pvp, even though I really wanted to try myself in something harder than mob-slaying. Too much effort and frustration: improve, find a team, get that team to understand that I have life and don’t play everyday, get kicked because I don’t play everyday and they got domeone who does… I switched to pve – it’s absolutely beautiful and I’m enjoying it. But what about players who bought this game, waited for it SOLELY for the PvP?… Zerg is a very weak option tbh – boring, cause either u own everyone as a part of a zerg or u get owned by the enemy zerg. Not to mention that only tourneys give u chests. (Sure u can buy chests but have u ever counted how many rank points u need to get something even close to tourney sets?) I understand that wit current lack of balance 1v1 may be risky but u are working hard on balance, aren’t u ANet?

I agree with this man on every point.

I 100% agree with you. If you think you are mad now, just wait until this supposedly big Nov 15th patch when you realize nothing has been done about it.

I hope they see these posts because they contain a lot of valuable information on things to implement that will drastically improve the game. I’m sure they do. I trust that ArenaNet’s team is putting a lot of effort to try and work things out. The game is still fairly new. It’s a lot of work to accomplish and I’m sure all the new features will be implemented eventually…

Sadly, i completely agree with everything said here. Tonight i felt hopeless, i just wanted to do some pvp and enjoy myself but couldn’t even log in, theres nothing i want to play and it kills me because i was looking forward to this game so much… There has to be viable RANKED pvp for solo or smaller group play for those of us with lives.

Yeah I kinda gave up atleast a month ago and have just been PvE’ing it up. Hardcore.

The game lacks the most important thing, competitive solo queue.

I gave up with PvP when I realized I couldn’t use the awesome skins I got in PvE in PvP.

So I stick with WvW.

Yes, I actually agree with everything you have posted:

There must be some modes for less players. I have a team with 4 of my friends, but since we only seldom can be at the same time (work/studies/family, etc.) so there is always a -1 or -2. We do not want to get any random people, we want to have fun in group of people that we know. So usually we go to an empty server, and duel there for an hour or so.

Also the 1×1 2×2 3×3 could be so easily implemented I have no idea why ANet is ignoring the PvP aspect of this game. Some people say it is because it would be unbalanced, since the game is being balanced on 5×5 conquest. Maybe, maybe… But I’d actually rather have an unbalanced duels, 2×2 and 3×3, than nothing at all for smaller groups.

Also if they stick to only conquest mode let me guess, that mesmer+3bunkers+anything will still dominate, especially if the rumors about nerfing burst dmg is true.

There should be implemented duels as fast as possible. And no, not only in empty sPvP rooms – also in open world. Maybe ban duels in cities, but allow them anywhere else. I’m missing them so much.

Dagins.5163:

There should be implemented duels as fast as possible. And no, not only in empty sPvP rooms – also in open world. Maybe ban duels in cities, but allow them anywhere else. I’m missing them so much.

I agree, but if it’s a challenge option, not a suprise attack. I really love that the only thing that is my enemy in pve is environment and this only.

You have my sword!

Yes, please have duel and 2v2, 3v3 options…

Is that so hard to put in a game?

Geez I’d be happy if they left it at 5v5 and just gave us another mode with no objectives. The only reason premades dominate currently is because there is that extra layer of communication needed to cover objectives. Just give us a circular Roman gladiator type arena with no pillars no elevation. Just a circle and dirt and make it a 5v5 gladiatorial deathmatch. Even a PUG can be competitive in a deathmatch with no extra layers of strategy involved. I guarantee deathmatch would instantly be the most played type of tournament game.

As someone who never plays PvP, I would DEFINITELY start playing if they had smaller team sizes. 3v3 would probably be optimal, as the people I game with tend to normally be on in groups of 3-5 at maximum at any random time.

He truly hit the nail on the head of the Community of most PvP games is driven by competitve SOLO players. A game must tailor to the solo player before a group. Not being able to log on and just pvp competitively , is pretty much the biggest reason GW2 pvp is not well receive.

But what is competitively solo play? Most games have it naturally, by a gear ranking or like WoW Arena personal rating. The simple rule is that when a solo player spends the long hours and pvp’s in your game, he must be able to also play all aspects of your game and be able to receive all aspects of your reward too. GW2, punishes the solo player who wants to log on, wants to hop into pvp and have fun, but also wants to achieve.

Simply put, the dev. team for game design on spvp is very badly designed as it prevents all solo players from being able to reach any level of competition in skill, and in rewards.

Esthetx.6412:

I hope they see these posts because they contain a lot of valuable information on things to implement that will drastically improve the game. I’m sure they do. I trust that ArenaNet’s team is putting a lot of effort to try and work things out. The game is still fairly new. It’s a lot of work to accomplish and I’m sure all the new features will be implemented eventually…

I dont believe they are capable of fixing anything because they could not even apply in GW 2 things that worked well in GW 1. When i think of GW2 PvP i think what an amateur system., must be made by PvErs.Agree with OP completely, good post.

I think they need to take a hint from League of Legends. I’m not a big LoL player but seeing as it is the most played game in the entire world… rofl

Anyone can log in to that game and hit play now and be in a competitive fun game that matches them with players of similar skill level. There is no shame in emulating a good, well executed idea.

Edit: And ANet is always harping about e-sports… Why not learn from the uncontested king of e-sports? =P

i agree with you.

we try for weeks to setup a working team, but we lack there and we dont manage to play paid torunaments.

1. give guilds an event timer
2. think of people, who cannot offer to be online every day for hours.

I agree %100 op, there should be a system for ppl like us (wanna be a good pvp player but dont have fixed time or big crew for it) but even Anet brings 2v2 or 3v3 arena system with a ladder system at 15 nov, it wont be a solution to our boredom. Because the whole pvp balance progress which they’re struggling to finish right now, will go to garbage and all little annoying things that we’re turning a blind eye, will become bigger and bigger ( not to mention stupid bunker, burst problem). And then, they will have to start aaaall over again. Because of this, i cant look to future with hope unfortunately..

Whats more- ticekt farm policy is just awful. It is either no well thought (a mistake) or just shameless tactic to force ppl to buy ticets for real miney. “You wont farm enough in free, sooo long time, you see? Why not buy it? Buy it, buy it, buy it”…

I agree 100% ttttttt

Another problem is that the few teams that play, are getting stomped by the pro teams because there is no rated matchmaking or anything. There is no middleground! You either farm glory in hotjoin, which is boring and easy or you need to practice daily with a team to win tournies constantly.

Whenever i play with my team, i barely face teams like us. It’s either a pug that we stomp or a higher ranked team that beats us (not always but mostly). It’s demotivating! We want to fight people of equal skill! I have team members that almost want to quit the game now…

IDarko.4709:

Another problem is that the few teams that play, are getting stomped by the pro teams because there is no rated matchmaking or anything. There is no middleground! You either farm glory in hotjoin, which is boring and easy or you need to practice daily with a team to win tournies constantly.

Whenever i play with my team, i barely face teams like us. It’s either a pug that we stomp or a higher ranked team that beats us (not always but mostly). It’s demotivating! We want to fight people of equal skill! I have team members that almost want to quit the game now…

Meeting people is a b-tch.
You pretty much have to find a core group of dedicated players and run with it pretty daily… I mean without any good way of meeting other interested/skilled players to fill gaps in a group regularly in this game… it makes filling gaps in a tourny group an utter pain in the kitten … so people without a dedicated schedule aren’t all that wanted… leaving it as just a pain in the kitten to be in that middle ground of “I’m good but not looking for the dedication of a pro team”.

monepipi.5160:

Yes, please have duel and 2v2, 3v3 options…

Is that so hard to put in a game?

This. It would be awesome to start a party vs party duel somewhere in world (NOT IN MISTS), or even bigger – guild vs guild. I don’t think it’s so hard to implement. It would also improve RP.

I would also like to see more rewards- less farming changes in PvP. Lets face it- free tournaments chests are atractive for first 20 ranks. Paid rewards- for now, but then almost all players now running with Orrians, Scales etc. It will get boring in month. Maybe unique emotes, weapons, special items, rare dyes, even some gold, pets, skins, anything more than farming glory and chests. PvP content is really empty.

Agreed. I have stopped playing Guild Wars 2 a while ago, but eagerly await an update that will prompt me to return to the game. The world is truly beautiful and well executed, but these issues need to be addressed. Look at how much progress Diablo 3 has made. Sweeping changes have been implemented … and they work! I’m not sure what Anet is afraid of but they need to shake things up. Waiting for the “meta” to stabilize is a bit trivial at this point. How much of a “meta” is there really? Implementing a dueling system would be a huge step in the right direction.

Unfortunately, the decision of having a weapon locked skill bar instead of skills you learn throughout the world like in GW1 diminishes, no, eliminates replay value of PvE content. To maintain longevity, spvp (as well as end game pve) should really be reworked. Put things in to keep it exciting. Cosmetic rewards for achieving high rank/fame/glory in pvp that can be seen in pve. etc

While I would like to see some sort of reward for defending a point, just giving glory/rank points for holding a point is too easily abused. If simply standing on a point gives a stream of glory, you’ll have people filling up servers where neither side attempts to attack the other as they can just afk stand on the point all round and get free glory.

There should be a better reward system for defending, but that seemingly simple solution just doesn’t work.

I’m not quite sure what people are agreeing to here. The only thing that made sense to me was the 1v1 duels.

I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.

Fellknight.4820:

I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.

If you can down 3 players but not stomp them then you’re doing something wrong.

ZombiesTT.3619:

Fellknight.4820:

I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.

If you can down 3 players but not stomp them then you’re doing something wrong.

Please stop trolling, there is alot of content here you could reply to don’t derail the topic by saying everything is fine and we all just need to L2P. People are here to try and improve the spvp exp if your ok with it then I don’t see why your even on the forums at all.

The topic was about duels, and rewarding skill for solo pvp, alot of players don’t like it when you rewards broken skilless mechanics. Not every player will enjoy exploiting broken mechanics some players who are great with them, don’t enjoy winning through cheating. Now if you would like to comment on anything the OP said we’d love to hear it but I believe that there has been 3 billion players on mmo forums that posted l2play already.

Agree with fellknight on not derailing topic please

I love this OP, he says exactly what I, and all my friends, are thinking. We are casuals, and we get s**t on.

I only have 1 friend playing now, other then myself and it feels as if it is, zergfest, or nofest. We don’t tpvp because as OP mentioned, we have lives and and work at different times so it’s pointless to find other people to work around our schedule. Yet we love this game so we hope it is going to improve for us.

WoW was perfect for us and our situations but I really don’t want to go back to that game just to have a meaningful play experience. I like this game.. and I would like to keep to it.

theyre never going to add 1v1 or 2v2 map types…Anet has GW fixed on being a E-sport with its Pvp and those game types wouldnt fit that mold…Now most of us have high hopes that they add a 3v3 arena for non tourney gameplay

They do NEED a party finder for tourney…you cant be expected to always play with people you know because people u know arnt always on =/ there is something called real life that takes us away from games we like to play

They also NEED more map types and for the love of god nerf or remove that treb in conquest because its junk…specially on Pug teams who dont understand u need to destroy it cus its 2 shotting 2-3 people at a time lol

Also you can see more nad more threads about how static, unenjoyable, boring nad unrewarding PvP is. There were no threads about it couple a weeks ago. It means that players played, emotions after premiere went down, and it seems they have nothing to do in PvP. Nothing to achive, glory farming is no diffrent then “gear farming” to have something enjoyable and good- looking.

QQ is a way to express their feeling about it and frustration. Whats more, ppl are quiting PvP and going PvE, because of a LOT BIGGER content! Me too, I started PvE (lvl 17 now yay) and it is hard to come back to tourenys. They are fun, but static, boring, same maps, same teams, same capturing points, same, same, same. And balance is a crap.

PvP will get empty with current state. Normal players (with lifes) have nothing to do there.

OP said it all.
Im a Ranger,i cant find a team..Not all friends play the same time as i am.I cant find team cause i dont fit any role.
I play 8v8..I take first place if i try really hard.
I take some glory points and some rank.
No big deal,ppl who had played more than me have more rank even if they will take it slower.This is grinding
I have a job,i cant play all day.I want tho to be mentioned and have meaning that i win in solo q.
Whats the difference in me being 21 rank with another player being also 21?

Fellknight.4820:

ZombiesTT.3619:

Fellknight.4820:

I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.

If you can down 3 players but not stomp them then you’re doing something wrong.

Please stop trolling, there is alot of content here you could reply to don’t derail the topic by saying everything is fine and we all just need to L2P. People are here to try and improve the spvp exp if your ok with it then I don’t see why your even on the forums at all.

The topic was about duels, and rewarding skill for solo pvp, alot of players don’t like it when you rewards broken skilless mechanics. Not every player will enjoy exploiting broken mechanics some players who are great with them, don’t enjoy winning through cheating. Now if you would like to comment on anything the OP said we’d love to hear it but I believe that there has been 3 billion players on mmo forums that posted l2play already.

Are you telling me to keep on topic when you, yourself are off topic?

As far as the topic goes, I don’t see the problem. You are rewarded in pvp by winning and getting points. You are even rewarded for losing by still getting points. You can use those points to change your appearance. Your pvp level can be used for bragging purposes. What more is there to be had?

Tournaments are optional. If you can’t find a team or compete then that is your fault, not the game’s. Competitive players commit a lot of time and effort into being the best.

ZombiesTT.3619:

Fellknight.4820:

ZombiesTT.3619:

Fellknight.4820:

I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.

If you can down 3 players but not stomp them then you’re doing something wrong.

Please stop trolling, there is alot of content here you could reply to don’t derail the topic by saying everything is fine and we all just need to L2P. People are here to try and improve the spvp exp if your ok with it then I don’t see why your even on the forums at all.

The topic was about duels, and rewarding skill for solo pvp, alot of players don’t like it when you rewards broken skilless mechanics. Not every player will enjoy exploiting broken mechanics some players who are great with them, don’t enjoy winning through cheating. Now if you would like to comment on anything the OP said we’d love to hear it but I believe that there has been 3 billion players on mmo forums that posted l2play already.

Are you telling me to keep on topic when you, yourself are off topic?

As far as the topic goes, I don’t see the problem. You are rewarded in pvp by winning and getting points. You are even rewarded for losing by still getting points. You can use those points to change your appearance. Your pvp level can be used for bragging purposes. What more is there to be had?

Tournaments are optional. If you can’t find a team or compete then that is your fault, not the game’s. Competitive players commit a lot of time and effort into being the best.

Your answer is so childlish and selfish, that I can tell ur are kid troll with no-life. You think you are awsome because you have nothing more to do in life, but only playing? And it is people fault that they do more than sitting in front of minitor? No finding team is people fault? Thats so insulting and illogical that I cant find words for it. It is not ppl fault that they have no other option but team-play. It is game mechanic and its lacking content for rest players. If competitive player means- guy with no life, no evenings, no friends, who have to play everyday to be able to play PvP- that is game mechanic fault that only those ones can play it at full. Players who commit so much time- are not better than others, they just have more time to spare. PvP should no offer one-side content. You commit fully or ur not playing main PvP modes- thats wrong thinking.

Game is not another work ppl- game should be for fun and relax, no to “commit” and plan your all free time for it. If other teams can do- ok. But game should not fore anyone to do so, just because it offers nothing more for solo/small groups players.

ZombiesTT.3619:

As far as the topic goes, I don’t see the problem. You are rewarded in pvp by winning and getting points. You are even rewarded for losing by still getting points. You can use those points to change your appearance. Your pvp level can be used for bragging purposes. What more is there to be had?

Tournaments are optional. If you can’t find a team or compete then that is your fault, not the game’s. Competitive players commit a lot of time and effort into being the best.

So u say that it’s ok to make the tourneys all or nothing? Because now u either play couple hours a day every day or u have nothing to look for there. Theres only top and bottom (pugs), there’s no middle: people who don’t care about e-sports, but want to play against other players sometimes.

edit: omg we’r feeding the troll so much… [facepalm]

I totally agree on this.

Anet should in my opinion create “Random Arenas” just like in GW1. Tourneys in GW2 is all about communication, how do you expect pugs to compete with premade teams? Thats just kitten

Give us a gladiator arena where there is no kitten communication involved.

100% agree.
I was a beta player, I came from GW1, I have the prepurchase…

I gave up pvp and I am rank 10.
Is boring, repetitive, designed just for bunkers build… and I want to be healer!

I heard that in this new expantion pvp will be redesigned and class balance too… we will see.

I would like to see the game rank the wins/losses of individual players EVEN IF they play 5v5 tournaments. It could keep a win/loss record and create a ladder of sorts showing the top people from the results of their free tourny results.

This way teams could see and seek out players who have a good record from joining pickups…

Z

Oh! That’s a great idea! Ranks mean nothing as u can farm glory on 8v8 so a method of finding skilled players would be great. How are people supposed to form teams if the only way of meeting people is inviting some random person that announces themself in mists? That’s very random and time-consuming.

While I realize this is a month old, I’ve just read it and completely agree.

Here are some examples of maps in other games, which I enjoyed and was able to play solo or with one or two other people in my free time (all pug games as well):
The Black Garden/Library of Runestones RIFT ‘warfronts.’ The mechanic was really fun and worked well even when running pugs.
Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley in WoW. Both allowed me to play solo or with a couple people, and didn’t necessarily require constant communication with a premade group (in my experience).
Huttball in SWTOR. This was amazingly fun!

Take a look at other games..see what they are doing for solo players. Simple.

Still relevant; bump.

I agree on every single point! This man is right!

“Becasue you, ANET, wanted e-sports so bad, u have nothing else. " SO TRUE!

What is with A-net all they are focusing on is creating e-sport out of this game’s pvp I mean what company does such a stupid thing like that?

Look at LOL do you think after after the 3rd month of release all they had on their mind was creating an e-sport, did they disregard the obviously flaws in there game ? Did they concentrate on making the game balanced, fun and friendly before or after lol became an e-sport? A’net need to ask themselves that or this games PVP will amount to NOTHING.

I came into this game thinking it would be my new Pvp game where I would play on my own or in a team with my friends…. I was sadly mistaken, out of 8 friends, 7 of them quit in the 30s to 60s region because Pve was boring and repetitive, skills were minimal and Pvp was a worthless, rewardless, boring grind to nothing. I myself have now quit after playing for a month then quitting for 2 months then playing from Dec to now reaching 80, I can see Pvp hasn’t changed since release and it looks like it’s going no where. Now i only have one friend who plays casually now a friend who is a massive pvper who only logs in to do jump puzzles and sell items, no doubt he will quit by January.

They need to seriously think about where they want this games pvp to be.

Something build up from the ground with a huge pvp following similar to lol or dota.
Or
Something that 2% of the GW2 population follow with a small following of a few
e-sports teams.

Which will it be, because they can reach their e-sports goals if they really want but in doing that PVP will be dead.

No Monk = no team vs team annihilation matches. One very small down side of revolutionizing M.M.O PvP as we know it. Can’t you feel it?..we’re on the verge of breaking new PvP territory here. We all just play for capture nodes..and after working our kitten off to get our high end/rare skin PvE gear..we get to do it all over again with PvP. Can’t you taste the satisfaction in that? I don’t know what all of you are talking about with this repetitive, too team focused, nothing for casual solo players wanting more than PvE experience stuff. How can you not have fun playing people who all 90% of the time use the same skills every other player uses, on a variety of different maps where the end objective is always the same? Your mad. Just say’n.

Well done necroing a 6-month old thread.

he is prolly rank 50s now and enjoying a top spot in the INDIVIDUAL ladder.