Guild Wars 2

With the ATs now being in game and there being no Pro-League anymore, would it not make sense for the monthly ATs to be watchable?

Obviously general spectating couldn’t work due to sniping by opposition unless there was a severe delay. But I know there used to be an Authorised Shoutcaster scheme where members of the community (think Jebro in EU) could spectate on matches, and therefore could stream/cast them. Since the tech already exists i was wondering if there is a reason this is not implemented for ATs?

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

The tech needs some adjusting to work, but it’s something we’re working on.

Will you make it for all or just ASP?

Thanks for the clear follow up, Ben. It always helps to know why something can’t be done rather than getting silence.

Happy hunting.

Thanks for the fast response, Ben.

It would be a great feature to help build a competitive scene around the new tourneys, especially with a whole bunch of new theorycraft to be done with PoF. I hope the changes don’t prove too problematic!

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

bluri.2653:

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

The tech needs some adjusting to work, but it’s something we’re working on.

Will you make it for all or just ASP?

Just ASP. The way the spectate stuff works currently doesn’t make it feasible to open it up to everyone. It would be nice if we were able to change this someday, but it would be quite a ways down the road.

No offense but that sounds like wasted dev time. The top teams are already streaming/recording these tournaments, often multiple players per team and the authorized shoutcasters haven’t really done anything in 3 years.

I undertstand what you’re going for I just don’t think it’ll ever be used more than 1 month after its release.

NotASmurf.1725:

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

bluri.2653:

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

The tech needs some adjusting to work, but it’s something we’re working on.

Will you make it for all or just ASP?

Just ASP. The way the spectate stuff works currently doesn’t make it feasible to open it up to everyone. It would be nice if we were able to change this someday, but it would be quite a ways down the road.

No offense but that sounds like wasted dev time. The top teams are already streaming/recording these tournaments, often multiple players per team and the authorized shoutcasters haven’t really done anything in 3 years.

I undertstand what you’re going for I just don’t think it’ll ever be used more than 1 month after its release.

I disagree, currently you have footage from me and Helseth mostly and let’s say we don’t play or can’t play then suddenly you have nothing. Also ASP can let US create content if we don’t participate. Hell I mean it might even be interesting just to look at some AT’s instead of playing and go through what they are doing badly or doing great. I think it’s well worth the time. It also opens up for other casters as Jebro who can then cast monthly AT’s and make it bigger and watch other PoV’s instead of us two only

NotASmurf.1725:

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

bluri.2653:

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

The tech needs some adjusting to work, but it’s something we’re working on.

Will you make it for all or just ASP?

Just ASP. The way the spectate stuff works currently doesn’t make it feasible to open it up to everyone. It would be nice if we were able to change this someday, but it would be quite a ways down the road.

No offense but that sounds like wasted dev time. The top teams are already streaming/recording these tournaments, often multiple players per team and the authorized shoutcasters haven’t really done anything in 3 years.

I undertstand what you’re going for I just don’t think it’ll ever be used more than 1 month after its release.

I disagree. I would be very surprised if someone in the community didnt set up a regular casting stream for this.

Also what about when Helseth/Sind are not streaming, There are not that many big pvp streamers, and if not the coverage would be pretty scarce. And to be honest the games are much closer when these players are not playing, so would be more interesting to watch! Also if there is a clear third party consistently streaming the monthly AT then this would be easier access for people who are not currently familiar with who to watch/ are not part of the current streamers groups of followers (Helseth for example rubs some people up the wrong way).

Its great when these guys stream their perspective and im a big fan. But it is also just one perspective, you dont get to see the different team comps/builds, or splits etc. which will be especially interesting after PoF.

ceejay.2517:

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You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

NotASmurf.1725:

ceejay.2517:

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You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

You are making it sound like they have to re-invent something that already has existed, I am sure that it doesn’t require many hours to re implement something that has already existed previously – comparing it to developing a new gamemode ROFL.

You are making it sound that just because someone doesn’t get as much viewers as us it is pointless to stream it? It is content either way you put it, and content for other classes than mesmer/thief that people might be interested in. Do you know how many questions I get “Do you know anyone who streams class X?” The only top tier classes that are streamed is thief and mesmer by me and Helseth, who else? So if someone wants to watch something there is no content. Hell even I would apply for ASP to sometimes cast games maybe with helseth instead of having to create a whole tournament just to do it.

bluri.2653:

NotASmurf.1725:

ceejay.2517:

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You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

You are making it sound like they have to re-invent something that already has existed, I am sure that it doesn’t require many hours to re implement something that has already existed previously – comparing it to developing a new gamemode ROFL.

You are making it sound that just because someone doesn’t get as much viewers as us it is pointless to stream it? It is content either way you put it, and content for other classes than mesmer/thief that people might be interested in. Do you know how many questions I get “Do you know anyone who streams class X?” The only top tier classes that are streamed is thief and mesmer by me and Helseth, who else? So if someone wants to watch something there is no content. Hell even I would apply for ASP to sometimes cast games maybe with helseth instead of having to create a whole tournament just to do it.

Fair point. But this is why I hate Anet’s poor communication, we don’t know whether they are working on something bigger and this is just a side project or this is all they are working on while PvE gets an entire expansion.

If I knew there’s something meaningful coming I wouldn’t be kittening about this. I want PvP to grow just like you and more dev time on ASP should be the lowest possible priority on an endless list. Well, higher than changing the division icons again, but still very low.

NotASmurf.1725:

bluri.2653:

NotASmurf.1725:

ceejay.2517:

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You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

You are making it sound like they have to re-invent something that already has existed, I am sure that it doesn’t require many hours to re implement something that has already existed previously – comparing it to developing a new gamemode ROFL.

You are making it sound that just because someone doesn’t get as much viewers as us it is pointless to stream it? It is content either way you put it, and content for other classes than mesmer/thief that people might be interested in. Do you know how many questions I get “Do you know anyone who streams class X?” The only top tier classes that are streamed is thief and mesmer by me and Helseth, who else? So if someone wants to watch something there is no content. Hell even I would apply for ASP to sometimes cast games maybe with helseth instead of having to create a whole tournament just to do it.

Fair point. But this is why I hate Anet’s poor communication, we don’t know whether they are working on something bigger and this is just a side project or this is all they are working on while PvE gets an entire expansion.

If I knew there’s something meaningful coming I wouldn’t be kittening about this. I want PvP to grow just like you and more dev time on ASP should be the lowest possible priority on an endless list. Well, higher than changing the division icons again, but still very low.

Of course, If they are choosing between reintroducing ASP vs improving/creating new stuff for PvP I wouldnt be discussing this

I just think ASP is a great tool and will help people who are interested in starting to create content or people who already create content. As I said good example is me and Helseth – we did tournament of groucharoo which was insanely successful just to cast interesting games, problem is that we do not have the will or energy to create tournaments. Having ASP to help us and just tell teams to play a certain AT or even monthly for us to cast and we would probably get tons of viewers for it and also show other PoV’s instead of mes/thief and generally also an overview of the games

NotASmurf.1725:

ceejay.2517:

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You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

It’s hardly comparable to past phases in GW2 PvP. The point is that this is regular monthly tournament, it is not a massive amount of effort for any streamer who wanted to take the role on. The regular format of the AT system is perfect for an ASP to content create around.

And as for the NA is dead thing this is a nonsense. Sure there aren’t many pro level players left. But this isn’t a pro game. It’s about a competitive community, not an E-Sport. There are plenty of people willing to field teams, try hard, and get better.

And, correct me if I’m wrong Sind, but I’m pretty sure both Sind and Helseth have said they won’t stream the tourneys if someone is casting them or themselves would do some casting. This is what happened with Unity Go Tourney. This doesn’t prohibit PoVs being recorded for layer or some ‘Victory strims’.

ceejay.2517:

NotASmurf.1725:

ceejay.2517:

(…)

You and Sindrener are being naive. The ASP existed since 2013 or 2014, and I think I can count on one hand how many times it was put to good use.

After HoT when the guild leagues started there were a lot of new teams starting out and competing with each other. There were bigger teams too, I think Abjured took 1st place on NA and Bowscope on EU. What did these shoutcasters do? Nothig.

Even if they started streaming them, you think it’d get more views than Sind or Helseth? Then NA is pretty much dead, knowing how shady that region is I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them were selling info on enemy movement to the highest bidder if it’s in real-time.

It’ll be used once a month for the monthly, best case scenario, but will probably end up being forgotten in 1-2 months.

I’d much rather have the devs work on something that benefits PvP in general like, you know, a 3v3 gamemode. Instead they work on a pointless feature trying to grow a scene that won’t happen. ASP doesn’t bring in new players, new gamemodes do.

It’s hardly comparable to past phases in GW2 PvP. The point is that this is regular monthly tournament, it is not a massive amount of effort for any streamer who wanted to take the role on. The regular format of the AT system is perfect for an ASP to content create around.

And as for the NA is dead thing this is a nonsense. Sure there aren’t many pro level players left. But this isn’t a pro game. It’s about a competitive community, not an E-Sport. There are plenty of people willing to field teams, try hard, and get better.

And, correct me if I’m wrong Sind, but I’m pretty sure both Sind and Helseth have said they won’t stream the tourneys if someone is casting them or themselves would do some casting. This is what happened with Unity Go Tourney. This doesn’t prohibit PoVs being recorded for layer or some ‘Victory strims’.

Nah we don’t stream tournaments that we are not allowed to stream (in example jebro) this has always been like this with ESL/ToL etc. But Monthly AT’s if we participate we will continue on streaming

Why do the matches have to be streamed though? I’d rather have an ingame option to observe those games like in gw1. Why can’t they just automatically record games and make them observable with a delay so people can’t cheat. Just record every tournament game doesn’t matter if monthly or daily at… then you can watch every game from every POV u want. I appreciate your stream sindrener but it doesn’t really help me as I’m not maining thief. With that you can just go on the class you want to improve on or wanna see gameplay

What Deathok said.
ASP is great but even they follow what they want to follow. It’s interesting but not ideal if you want to observe a particular class/ moment/ tactic.

@Deathok + Meteor

Sniping is the most obvious reason. You could just get someone on teamspeak with you to watch the game and tell you where they are all the time…

ceejay.2517:

@Deathok + Meteor

Sniping is the most obvious reason. You could just get someone on teamspeak with you to watch the game and tell you where they are all the time…

GW1 didn’t have this problem because games were recorded and only opened for the public once they ended.

But somehow Anet managed to “improve” the engine so much for GW2 that all the amazing competitive features are now impossible to implement.

Can we get demos too?