Guild Wars 2

I don’t get it what are people doing that is “disgusting”?
Diamond players are getting 1hour + q times where they will win vs every single team in the entire region who is qing at that time unless another full diamond premade (very unlikely) is qing. So they pick up a bad player from the mists to artificially lower their mmr. It’s not like this bad player from the mists is good at all. They’re basically carrying him 4v5 vs sapphires.
I’m just not sure how this is “match manipulation” as some not so intelligent people are calling it. Map manipulation is when you purposely throw games or make a deal with the other team so that one team gets a free win. Map manipulation is NOT picking up a baddy and carrying him so you can lower your mmr and get lower q times.

Regarding the leaderboards, how do you know pro teams aren’t just qing with several different team names? My team has like 10 different team names for the same roster we could q with, though we mostly just use one. Sure its apparent PZ and abjured are purposely getting high on the leaderboards on several teams, but that literally affects NOTHING about every other person in the game except the little banners in the mists all having an upsidedown unicorn. How is it their fault anet decided to make it possible to make 20 teams with the exact same roster and then all show up on the boards rofl?

Man people are just so mad at everything right now and it’s probably because they think they should all be legendaries but can’t soloq themselves out of emerald.

They farmed their way to Sapphire on yoloQ players, but since their MMR is too high they invite another yoloQ to farm more on lowbies. It is disgusting. Maybe they help 1 guy but literally kitten enemies who normally wouldn’t face them. That’s what ranked are for, you are supposed to play vs ppl similar skilled to you. Normal players have no chance vs “pro esl premades”.

They mad cuz haters gotta hate. Like this guy^

Simple, when pro players do something that’s unintended, Anet and those players call them “design flaws”. When regular players (like those that abused karma gears and winters day crafting) do these “design flaws” things, those players get banned.

Cool, you know what is the funniest thing ? I ve seen what kind of a nightmare it’s for ELS “PRO LAD” like you to go through same emerald as solo player.

Good for you that you artificially getting games, by screwing others over, the once who is against you.

Arcade.8901:

Booms.3952:

I don’t get it what are people doing that is “disgusting”?
Diamond players are getting 1hour + q times where they will win vs every single team in the entire region who is qing at that time unless another full diamond premade (very unlikely) is qing. So they pick up a bad player from the mists to artificially lower their mmr. It’s not like this bad player from the mists is good at all. They’re basically carrying him 4v5 vs sapphires.

Man people are just so mad at everything right now and it’s probably because they think they should all be legendaries but can’t soloq themselves out of emerald.

Loled hard, you just now confirmed the fact that you are part of the problem. Poor lad, with que times of 1 hour, who farmed the kitten out of league artificially lowering mmr by screwing others.

Somehow your post made me hate you entitled brats even more, atleast on EU some pro players have guts to call the system flawed and go through the same nightmare soloqers went through to back it up.

I duoq and trioq 95% of the time with teammates and rarely play more than 7-8 games a day. I’m ranked sapphire right now as are my mates though some are ruby. Is it fair to the people we face that we destroy almost every team despite being in a trioq because I haven’t farmed enough to get my mmr to diamond?

@others
Where in the code of conduct or any point ever has anet even HINTED at the IDEA that you shouldn’t be able to queue with whoever you want? kitten if I want to carry some horribad player 4v5 they should let me. The match attempts to set up an even game. Surely if they got the 5 best players online vs the 4 man premade + amber there would be a decent game. If not then should they just not play the game at all? Man you guys don’t even think about what you’re saying before you say it.

Booms.3952:

. Map manipulation is NOT picking up a baddy and carrying him so you can lower your mmr and get lower q times.

And what if one of these pros gets on an alt account with low mmr and queues with their friends so they can get lower mmr matches? What would you call that?

Israel.7056:

Booms.3952:

. Map manipulation is NOT picking up a baddy and carrying him so you can lower your mmr and get lower q times.

And what if one of these pros gets on an alt account with low mmr and queues with their friends so they can get lower mmr matches? What would you call that?

I think the pro players would call it “design flaw” and us average joes will be called “cheaters”.

I would call that a work around to a poor queue system for a woefully talentless player population

They don’t have to queue with some random bad player. They can just have one of their team queue on a fresh alt account with low mmr. But even if they queue with a bad player they’re still pro players getting into matches they wouldn’t be able to get into otherwise. That’s not very sporting.

So your guys’ suggestion is that diamond players get 2 hour q times, only to face the exact same people due to long q time diversification?
Nice

Booms.3952:

So your guys’ suggestion is that diamond players get 2 hour q times, only to face the exact same people due to long q time diversification?
Nice

Yes. Be patient. Give other people time to catch up.

People are mad and disgusted about pro players who are blatantly match making. Even if their excuse is to make queue timers go faster that is still a bannable offense. Once GW1 started dying there was literally no other way to play HA without alt accounts and playing your buddies even for fun. A bunch of my friends got banned for this match manipulation just so they could play, not even abusing any system, like the top players are now. It’s ‘disgusting’ that they can get away with it and not even get a slap on the wrist. If it was anything like before it would be a perma ban.

Soul.2834:

People are mad and disgusted about pro players who are blatantly match making. Even if their excuse is to make queue timers go faster that is still a bannable offense. Once GW1 started dying there was literally no other way to play HA without alt accounts and playing your buddies even for fun. A bunch of my friends got banned for this match manipulation just so they could play, not even abusing any system, like the top players are now. It’s ‘disgusting’ that they can get away with it and not even get a slap on the wrist. If it was anything like before it would be a perma ban.

Sorry, when did we discover (or pull out of our assess) that people are manipulating enemy teams?

Sorry, when did we discover (or pull out of our assess) that people are manipulating enemy teams?[/quote]

Screenshots and anet has all of the report data from the botting reports. It’s also blatant if you pay attention.

I agree with you Booms. These good teams simply have nothing to fight against. How is that fun? What should they do, soloq in unranked? What you have to understand is that it is not a flaw: it’s how MMR works. If they manage to carry an extremely bad player against decent players, then good for them.

edit: apparently, masculine secondary sexual features are banned on these forums, so I just used your account name.

Booms.3952:

So your guys’ suggestion is that diamond players get 2 hour q times, only to face the exact same people due to long q time diversification?
Nice

I suggest a reset to their rank and pvp meta achievement.

So their effort in abusing the challenger leaderboard would be wasted.

Ryan.9387:

Booms.3952:

So your guys’ suggestion is that diamond players get 2 hour q times, only to face the exact same people due to long q time diversification?
Nice

I suggest a reset to their rank and pvp meta achievement.

So their effort in abusing the challenger leaderboard would be wasted.

Good solution. This way, they would be forced to play against amber players. 10/10.

Ryan.9387:

Booms.3952:

So your guys’ suggestion is that diamond players get 2 hour q times, only to face the exact same people due to long q time diversification?
Nice

I suggest a reset to their rank and pvp meta achievement.

So their effort in abusing the challenger leaderboard would be wasted.

Then they 5q their ways to ruby within a day because there’s actually players at that rank now. Followed by 2 hour qs in diamond for a few more days until theyre at where they are now. Yay.

Booms.3952:

I don’t get it what are people doing that is “disgusting”?
Diamond players are getting 1hour + q times where they will win vs every single team in the entire region who is qing at that time unless another full diamond premade (very unlikely) is qing. So they pick up a bad player from the mists to artificially lower their mmr. It’s not like this bad player from the mists is good at all. They’re basically carrying him 4v5 vs sapphires.
I’m just not sure how this is “match manipulation” as some not so intelligent people are calling it. Map manipulation is when you purposely throw games or make a deal with the other team so that one team gets a free win. Map manipulation is NOT picking up a baddy and carrying him so you can lower your mmr and get lower q times.

Regarding the leaderboards, how do you know pro teams aren’t just qing with several different team names? My team has like 10 different team names for the same roster we could q with, though we mostly just use one. Sure its apparent PZ and abjured are purposely getting high on the leaderboards on several teams, but that literally affects NOTHING about every other person in the game except the little banners in the mists all having an upsidedown unicorn. How is it their fault anet decided to make it possible to make 20 teams with the exact same roster and then all show up on the boards rofl?

Man people are just so mad at everything right now and it’s probably because they think they should all be legendaries but can’t soloq themselves out of emerald.

it’s called java playing on his alt account so techinically you’re playing vs 3 diamonds… i wouldn’t be tripping out if it was SOME random but it’s not just them abusing the system by playing on alt accounts to farm more rank for their buddies

Israel.7056:

Booms.3952:

. Map manipulation is NOT picking up a baddy and carrying him so you can lower your mmr and get lower q times.

And what if one of these pros gets on an alt account with low mmr and queues with their friends so they can get lower mmr matches? What would you call that?

this has JAVA written all over it

DarthDragonVanquisher.6912:

it’s called java playing on his alt account so techinically you’re playing vs 3 diamonds… i wouldn’t be tripping out if it was SOME random but it’s not just them abusing the system by playing on alt accounts to farm more rank for their buddies

Yup. The old “ringer” strategy.