Guild Wars 2

~~THIS IS NOT A RANT~~
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Like my title says, why dont people take advice in PvP? I understand that peoples egos can get in the way of them taking advice, but really?

I guess people just assume that you are blaming them for something…I just dont know.

I came across this thought after a match a few minutes ago. My team was ahead at the beginning of the game, maybe 200-125 or so, so not by much. On death, a guardian went to take chieftain (we were blue), and we had home. We had just taken mid and I was looking out over toward home from Keep and had saw that 2 enemies were heading towards home. So I “auto ran” back towards home and typed for the Guardian to go back home… Well he didn’t. The enemy decaped and then he came and we both died after a lengthy fight. In the end we ended up losing, and that wasn’t much a problem, you win some you lose some.

So after the match I whispered the guy and said, “I’m saying this constructively and I’m not blaming you for a loss or anything, but you really shouldn’t take beast when we are ahead cause it offsets the fights, and generally we lose something because of it”. I then said that we lost because we couldn’t win team fights and I didn’t heal as well as I should have (I’m an ele). He proceeds to tell me how he doesn’t care about what I think as well as a few other explicit words.

Anyway, this isn’t the first time this has happened, whether I am giving advice or someone else is.

Back to the original question…Why don’t people take advice? I’m always up for someone telling me a helpful tip as long as it’s nicely, and I can tell they mean it in a good way. I would’ve understood why he got mad if I blamed the loss on him or something, but I made sure to word it so that it wouldn’t be taken that way.

Probably because you messaged him after the match… The game ended so no need to dwell on it or start messaging people how they could do better/worse and it’s more than likely he had a few things to say himself but didn’t and tried to let it go until you messaged him after the game.

During game, all you can do is what you did.

i once had a match where i told people to put a necro on close, go far with 2 dps and stall mid with an ele and a scrapper. i was told not to tell them how to live their lives and the scrapper went far.

I also mentioned it during the match, but I felt like he took it the wrong way so I messaged him afterwards. I wanted to clear it up afterwards just to be safe though

Why dont people take advice in pvp? Simple.
In order for them to truly take your advice, it would require for them to acknowledge to themselves that they were wrong in the first place, and for most of these ego maniacs, that is just not an option.

It comes off criticizing and some people can’t handle it. Instead start and end with a compliment on how they did.

Sometimes people can kill the animal in the 15s and get to point and defend in time.
If this had happened you would have extended the lead and given a nice little power boost.

The answer truly here ‘it depends’ and cannot say for sure unless you watch the map and the teams rotations carefully.

Often I will ask someone in a team on a foefire match to break a gate if we have a few spare seconds and then get back to cap.
Some people listen others don’t.

I tend to find the matches where people break a gate allow for a Lord rush unexpectedly which can turn a loosing fight into a win. This mechanic can be so important to turn those close games into Victorys.

I have seen so many arguments on this mechanic alone and if it’s worth breaking the gate it’s so sad. The answer is always ‘it depends’ and timing is everything.
Often it’s not good to wait for 350 / pushing early in a close match may turn the game massively in your favour. I have for example pushed lords at 300-320 with double caps solo’d it down fast to get back to 1 or 0 cap and the match is 495v365 allowing us a easy win in what would have been a lost match. With a single kill or a cap for 10s to win the match denying the opposing team a Lord rush.

The answer is always ‘it depends’ on the team strengths and what they can do- and if it’s the right thing to do.

Anhomedog.7968:

Back to the original question…Why don’t people take advice? I’m always up for someone telling me a helpful tip as long as it’s nicely, and I can tell they mean it in a good way. I would’ve understood why he got mad if I blamed the loss on him or something, but I made sure to word it so that it wouldn’t be taken that way.

I wonder that too, really.

I’m literally always open for advice and criticism. If it’s coherent and isn’t littered with insults, of course. But a lot of people simply cannot have a match without spewing insults in chat or not even listening to other players.

I often think it could be due to demographics, but I have no idea about the demographics of GW2. Perhaps these are hot-headed teenagers who cannot stand being criticized.

Another thing that boggles my mind are people who think they offer criticism when they scream in chat that you’re a “noob.” Sometimes I’m called a noob and with a good reason (if I make a lot of mistakes, it happens), but most often than not, it’s completely baffling to me. The other day a guy with very little contribution to the match called me a noob because we lost for a few points (don’t know why me specifically, there were other people in the team and they wasted 5 minutes fighting for stillness instead of defending mid), despite me being the most mobile player who decaped, caped, defended and rotated the most, and also took tranquility by outsmarting the opponents with my stealth, blinking and illusions. I would’ve loved if this person actually told me what I did wrong in their opinion, instead of just writing “noob.” Even if it meant messaging me after the match.

TPMN.1483:

Often I will ask someone in a team on a foefire match to break a gate if we have a few spare seconds and then get back to cap.
Some people listen others don’t.

I tend to find the matches where people break a gate allow for a Lord rush unexpectedly which can turn a loosing fight into a win. This mechanic can be so important to turn those close games into Victorys.

I have seen so many arguments on this mechanic alone and if it’s worth breaking the gate it’s so sad. The answer is always ‘it depends’ and timing is everything.
Often it’s not good to wait for 350 / pushing early in a close match may turn the game massively in your favour. I have for example pushed lords at 300-320 with double caps solo’d it down fast to get back to 1 or 0 cap and the match is 495v365 allowing us a easy win in what would have been a lost match. With a single kill or a cap for 10s to win the match denying the opposing team a Lord rush.

The answer is always ‘it depends’ on the team strengths and what they can do- and if it’s the right thing to do.

Well I do agree that it is quite situational and all, but thats not exactly the point of the thread… Story and the characters involved, the question still stands

Beliyal.7085:

Anhomedog.7968:

Back to the original question…Why don’t people take advice? I’m always up for someone telling me a helpful tip as long as it’s nicely, and I can tell they mean it in a good way. I would’ve understood why he got mad if I blamed the loss on him or something, but I made sure to word it so that it wouldn’t be taken that way.

I wonder that too, really.

I’m literally always open for advice and criticism. If it’s coherent and isn’t littered with insults, of course. But a lot of people simply cannot have a match without spewing insults in chat or not even listening to other players.

I often think it could be due to demographics, but I have no idea about the demographics of GW2. Perhaps these are hot-headed teenagers who cannot stand being criticized.

Another thing that boggles my mind are people who think they offer criticism when they scream in chat that you’re a “noob.” Sometimes I’m called a noob and with a good reason (if I make a lot of mistakes, it happens), but most often than not, it’s completely baffling to me. The other day a guy with very little contribution to the match called me a noob because we lost for a few points (don’t know why me specifically, there were other people in the team and they wasted 5 minutes fighting for stillness instead of defending mid), despite me being the most mobile player who decaped, caped, defended and rotated the most, and also took tranquility by outsmarting the opponents with my stealth, blinking and illusions. I would’ve loved if this person actually told me what I did wrong in their opinion, instead of just writing “noob.” Even if it meant messaging me after the match.

Well I don’t think that it’s exactly that they are teenage, but I myself am a teenager, but the only way that I am going to get better is by 1. Watching the people that know what they are doing (Pro Leauge, ESL, etc.), or 2. having someone tell me other wise.

Why because most of the people including a lot of the MMR whiners thinks they know everything when in fact they don’t know much at all. If they wanted to improve there are tons of resources already to improve. Many are arrogant little kiddies as well I don’t know how to put it otherwise and I’m using kiddies liberally a lot are snot nosed college age kids that think they know everyhting I’m not talking about actualy little kids (12-14 year old) although there are a lot of those too.

I see this at work all the time. The young college grads that can take constructive criticism are the ones that usually end up doing well for themselves. The ones that become defensive and refuse to incorporate the advice into their work are the ones that usually get let go in the next round of staff cut backs.

taking beasts is actually most apropriate when you are ahead, especially if a person just died and they cant immediately rejoin the combat

so all this rant is about your false understanding of the game mechanics i suppose

Ok…so, there’s a couple factors in general that obstruct any sort of constructive feedback in PvP:

1) PvP is emotional. Wins are awesome, but losses are hard. It will always be harder to have any sort of constructive discussion with someone who’s upset or frustrated, as will often happen during a loss.

2) Feedback on performance in video games is mostly not constructive. Even if you’re the nicest guy on earth and have a heart of gold as you offer your pure, friendly advice, the person you’re talking to probably had 10 other people before you that called them a ‘noob’, ‘idiot’, etc. and said something more along the lines of “you suck, kill yourself” or at best “you idiot, don’t go beast!” instead of “Hey, please don’t break off for beast when we’re ahead.”

3) If you’re just some random person on someone’s team, you haven’t established any credibility that would make you worth listening to. You may be God’s gift to PvP, but if the person you’re giving advice to just met you for the first time because the MMR paired you up as a roughly equally rated person on the team, there’s not much reason for them to think you know more about PvP than they do.

Here’s my advice on how to handle these situations:
Avoid typing out messages in PvP games. Even if it’s solid advice and even if the person wants to listen, a lot of people won’t watch chat, especially if they have something else going on. Instead, just stick to pinging and drawing on the map.

Take your example, for instance. If instead of typing, you could have just pinged on the map and drew an arrow from the guardian to home, circled the incoming enemies to point them out, or even drew an X over the beast.

Not only is this a lot easier to do while fighting/running/etc. in the middle of a game, but it also is more likely to catch the attention of the team. It’s also less likely to trigger defensive reactions since it tends to come across as more impersonal without having your name tied to it.

Dont give advice unless ppl ask.

Most players dont care.