Guild Wars 2

Why isn’t there a practice mode where you join and fight a team that is an AI team? So you can learn the maps and such without getting curb stomped like normal practice matches. I’m a fairly newer player and tried to join what I thought was the most basic pvp, practice, we ended up getting curb stomped something fierce. Every match I’ve done was the same way.

Why isn’t there a very very basic mode so I can play with a full team of AI, versus a full team of AI so I can figure out what to do without dying in 3 seconds. There isn’t a single bit of new player user friendliness in this game or any other game in the history of games that offered competitive gaming. So why don’t you be the first, offer a wide variety of intro level basic pvp.

This is because some of the “pro” pvp players like to farm newbies in “practice” mode either for their own amusement or because they want the rewards that for some reason come from doing matches in practice mode.

There are AI mobs in the far corners of the PvP lobby if you open the map there, however none of the objectives/mobs there will help you learn conquest mode. With the new PvP system you either get farmed in “practice” mode enough to the point where you know how not to die, or you learn playing against other unexperienced players so you end up learning nothing with the inevitable 4vs5 since players of non-ranked matches tend to be quick to ragequit.

On the other hand you can do ranked matches to play against more competent players, but beware that you will most likely become meat for the 4-5 man premade teams that will grind your team of randoms into the dust for even daring to take a step into “esports territory”.

A big criticism is that GW2’s pvp is beginner unfriendly and bland moreso than ever with the removal of solo ques. Either you find a PvP team or you have to learn to like getting farmed.

heartless They do have the practice mobs. However those mobs also show in the limitations in the built in AI.

If you fight those mobs youl see that they have a rather limited number of capabilities. They can’t react at even CLOSE to the speed of a player. They had to compensate by giving htem the PvE treatment. Increasing there damage by ALOT forcing you to react to them. This causes them to be a poor method for teaching you how to react to a player and now there more a method of dps checking against a moving target.

In other words. learning how to fight AI with AI by your side would teach you some very bad habits that will get you absolutely wrecked by even a slightly experienced player.

If PvP is something your serious about learning. I reccomend starting in the WvW zergs. If you fight on the outskirts of the zerg youl often get thust into quick 1-2v1-2 situations Itl teach you situational awareness as youl need to keep an eye on the murderball to know where you need to move. Youl also be able to learn the class mechanics of certain classes and there weaknesses as zerg fights tend to be over at the same speed as a 4v4 on mid. This is due to people casting there abilities very quickly in an attempt to quickly overwhelm the group.

TL;DR I dont believe that learning how to pvp with a full AI field would do more good than harm to your play style. The limtied nature of AI would guarantee you fall into several set habits that you may not be able to train out of. Id reccomend zerg skimming and roaming in WvW to pick up the basics on staying alive. And hten coming back to pvp to work out the individual details.

this is pvp… and you want to bring pve here? so you can get practice on how to player vs player against AI? i dont know if troll….

ummm

PvP = Player vs Player
PvE = Player vs Environment (AI)

also, practicing against AI only develops bad habits and doesnt teach you anything. if you’ve ever played pvp in any other game before it should only take you the couple minutes you get before the game starts to figure out whats going on.

Play ranked or unranked and your mmr will settle to a point where you are matched with appropriate players.

Hotjoin is where people test builds, get dailies, and duel. It won’t teach you much with the 5v4s and zerging that you will experience.

If you want to just “learn the map” find a hot join with 1 or 2 players in it and just run around. Look at the entrances to all the points, vantage points etc. This way when you get in an actual match you at least know where you are going and how to get there. As for learning to play against other classes, watch tutorials on you tube and then just curbed stomped until you learn. Only way to get better is to fight better players than you. Yes, hotjoin sometimes has higher lvl pvpers in there. Because of the new dailies you will see them in there now and then. Practice makes perfect and AI won’t get you there.

I only say that as A-net seems be brutally against having a match making system put into practice. So if you hit a certain threshold you no longer see new players or low ranked players.

Anything to help me learn what to be doing without getting curb stomped like seems to be the case. It’s interesting but it just seems like A-net has been lowering the options and diversity instead of broadening it. For both pve and pvp. They’re driving people away instead of keeping them in.

Shadelang.3012:

If PvP is something your serious about learning. I reccomend starting in the WvW zergs. If you fight on the outskirts of the zerg youl often get thust into quick 1-2v1-2 situations Itl teach you situational awareness as youl need to keep an eye on the murderball to know where you need to move. Youl also be able to learn the class mechanics of certain classes and there weaknesses as zerg fights tend to be over at the same speed as a 4v4 on mid. This is due to people casting there abilities very quickly in an attempt to quickly overwhelm the group.

This is horrible advice.

If you want to learn how to pvp correctly then spvp is the place to do it.

SobeSoul.6910:

Shadelang.3012:

If PvP is something your serious about learning. I reccomend starting in the WvW zergs. If you fight on the outskirts of the zerg youl often get thust into quick 1-2v1-2 situations Itl teach you situational awareness as youl need to keep an eye on the murderball to know where you need to move. Youl also be able to learn the class mechanics of certain classes and there weaknesses as zerg fights tend to be over at the same speed as a 4v4 on mid. This is due to people casting there abilities very quickly in an attempt to quickly overwhelm the group.

This is horrible advice.

If you want to learn how to pvp correctly then spvp is the place to do it.

+1. WvW is completely different than sPvP. Look what happened to the WvW team that joined a sPvP tournament this weekend. They got curb stomped and they been WvW’ing for couple years now. Completely different game………..

Your character level has absolutely nothing to do with your match making as far as I know.

Whats happening is when you first enter pvp your set at an (Average) MMR rating. this is to prevent experienced players from having to crawl all the way to the top from the bottom. Which is nearly impossible when the people at the top are still playing.

As a low experience player your getting hte other side. In order to reach the target area for you you are in fact going to be fighting more experienced players at first. There going to kill you. Use it as a learning experience. Get back in there and try to understand WHY you died.

If you have the awareness for it being killed by better players is THE best way to learn. As you try different thigns youl find some work and some don’t. Youl find X skill combo buys you a few seconds if you can get it to connect. Thats how skill and experience start.

If you still cant figure it out every heavy loss will put you lower on the leaderboard. Meaning the more you play the faster youl be fighting even opponents. Where youl be able to use the things you learned fighting stronger opponents to win. Coming onto the forums wasn’t the right move for you. If your serious about being good at this games pvp you should be in the game ACTIVELY PvPing. Not blaming match making for a loss.

In the long run losses don’t mean much. They simply put you back down to where you belong until your good enough to be higher. Its trying to find the right opponents for you right now. But none of it will mean a thing if you blame losses on matchmaking and not your own mistakes. Specially when the loss itself isn’t a big deal as long as you bother learning from it.

heartless.6803:

I only say that as A-net seems be brutally against having a match making system put into practice. So if you hit a certain threshold you no longer see new players or low ranked players.

Anything to help me learn what to be doing without getting curb stomped like seems to be the case. It’s interesting but it just seems like A-net has been lowering the options and diversity instead of broadening it. For both pve and pvp. They’re driving people away instead of keeping them in.

Go to dueling servers.
Ask questions. A lot of people will answer them.
Perhaps search for videos of the class you are playing.
Learn builds and why some builds aren’t played in spvp. I have seen some quite useless builds in spvp recently.
Accept the occasional curbstomp will happen.

GhOst.4019:

SobeSoul.6910:

Shadelang.3012:

If PvP is something your serious about learning. I reccomend starting in the WvW zergs. If you fight on the outskirts of the zerg youl often get thust into quick 1-2v1-2 situations Itl teach you situational awareness as youl need to keep an eye on the murderball to know where you need to move. Youl also be able to learn the class mechanics of certain classes and there weaknesses as zerg fights tend to be over at the same speed as a 4v4 on mid. This is due to people casting there abilities very quickly in an attempt to quickly overwhelm the group.

This is horrible advice.

If you want to learn how to pvp correctly then spvp is the place to do it.

+1. WvW is completely different than sPvP. Look what happened to the WvW team that joined a sPvP tournament this weekend. They got curb stomped and they been WvW’ing for couple years now. Completely different game………..

Ghost I wasn’t telling him to learn the WvW style of fighting entirely now was I. I was telling him to learn how to survive sudden spikes from it. Which is common in WvW as when you get 4-5 enemies on you by random kitten all chance. Knowing how to survive that kind of situation helps ALOT during those mid fights. I know that for a fact. I reccomended WvW because he seems to be getting frustrated with PvP. And WvW will STILL pit him against other players while separating him from the game mode thats aparently currently doing more harm than good. Its different for various brackets I know. But on my server atleast theres alot more fights going on than PPT. And a zerg on zerg clash makes you learn FAST if your a side fighter like I am.

That’s not how you learn to survive 3v3 or 4v4s in mid fights. In zergs you rarely need to rotate your skills properly. In spvp you have to pretty much learn how to use all your skills and when to use them.

SobeSoul.6910:

That’s not how you learn to survive 3v3 or 4v4s in mid fights. In zergs you rarely need to rotate your skills properly. In spvp you have to pretty much learn how to use all your skills and when to use them.

And he isn’t at that stage yet from every single thing ive seen in his posts. I flat out agree what im giving him is incomplete advice. What he needs to do is get USED to getting whacked. he needs to know whats whacking him. What its doing to him. And How its doing it. A power ranger hits you differently than a power necro.

Once hes learned whats being done to him. He can decide what to do to stop it. He can start changing how he plays to effictively counter whats giving him trouble.

AGAIN I only suggested WvW Because I know that it works and he was obviously frustrated with TPvP at the time of his original post. Its a good place to pick up the most basic of basics. And that knowledge can be key for new players.

WvW isn’t the place to pick up the basics. You pick up bad habits from WvW. I know this because that’s where I played for the majority of time before transitioning into spvp.

sPvP and WvW are really different beasts under the hood. WvW is super power creepy.

If heartless is dedicated to becoming a better player he needs to understand making a crap ton of mistakes and learning from those mistakes is how every one does it. It’s like every game or activity in life you’re not good at, it requires time and practice.

Alright. I think we had different WvW experiences. For me it was very much like 24/7 large scale TPvP. Lots of skirmishes and even the zerg brawls had multiple 4-6vs-4-6 people skirmishes around them. I learned far more about situational awareness there than I ever did after a year of TPvP (I started playing on release and hadn’t played much wvw for the first year or so) I can honestly say my wvw experience made me a better pvper simply because I had to know EXACTLY what was going on around me or I could die completely randomly and not know what the hell hit me.

I mentioned before the possibility being on different servers could leave different options. This seems one of those situations.

Other than that though it seems were in perfect agreement. Asking for AI based opponents won’t help him in any way shape or form. Neither will blaming the matchmaking. The only way hes going to learn is going to be by dieing until he finds out how NOT to die. Which will be after experimenting with and experiencing a lot of different attacks/combos/and situations.

SobeSoul.6910:

WvW isn’t the place to pick up the basics. You pick up bad habits from WvW. I know this because that’s where I played for the majority of time before transitioning into spvp.

sPvP and WvW are really different beasts under the hood. WvW is super power creepy.

If heartless is dedicated to becoming a better player he needs to understand making a crap ton of mistakes and learning from those mistakes is how every one does it. It’s like every game or activity in life you’re not good at, it requires time and practice.

Correct. In WvW you are basically just taking a ton of AOE damage and can’t see who or what is casting anything. This is ZERO help in sPvP. He has to play in sPvP learn what enemy spells look like and which ones he needs to dodge/ counter. He is new and therefore goes into PvP with an average MMR as a less than average player. His MMR will smooth out as he looses and will then be pitted against players of his skill lvl. This will require him to keep playing and keep loosing. Along the road to “smoother” matchmaking he should be learning what he did wrong, what they did to him, and how he can counter it. Wvw won’t teach him how to learn enemy spells or counter them. All it will teach his is how to avoid AOE and press his invul button and throw aoe himself.

GhOst.4019:

SobeSoul.6910:

WvW isn’t the place to pick up the basics. You pick up bad habits from WvW. I know this because that’s where I played for the majority of time before transitioning into spvp.

sPvP and WvW are really different beasts under the hood. WvW is super power creepy.

If heartless is dedicated to becoming a better player he needs to understand making a crap ton of mistakes and learning from those mistakes is how every one does it. It’s like every game or activity in life you’re not good at, it requires time and practice.

Correct. In WvW you are basically just taking a ton of AOE damage and can’t see who or what is casting anything. This is ZERO help in sPvP. He has to play in sPvP learn what enemy spells look like and which ones he needs to dodge/ counter. He is new and therefore goes into PvP with an average MMR as a less than average player. His MMR will smooth out as he looses and will then be pitted against players of his skill lvl. This will require him to keep playing and keep loosing. Along the road to “smoother” matchmaking he should be learning what he did wrong, what they did to him, and how he can counter it. Wvw won’t teach him how to learn enemy spells or counter them. All it will teach his is how to avoid AOE and press his invul button and throw aoe himself.

Ghost. If he was simply being a typical zergling youd be correct. But a forward or a backline pusher HAS to know whats going on around them. They have to know what there targetting. How likely it is that hteyl kill it before they get focused by other backliners. Where the commander is. Where the rest of the friendly zerg is. And what cooldowns he has left to be able to make sure he can get away after his target is downed.

Edit: AGAIN though. I already said that each server probably experiences WvW differently. I should have taken that into my account in my initial post. I also like how you ignored my following post to him where I basically said the same thing Im saying here. Cute.

Ya that is cute. Too bad your post was posted while I was typing (at worked so stopped for a few min to answer the phone). Yes, each world would have different zerg styles. My world, the back is the front. You push as one to the back and turn around and come back (or through middle). The tail isn’t long enough to have “outsiders”. The only way there are outsiders would be if someone is new and has no idea what they are doing and then they die “outside”. You target and Aoe as you push as a unit. Everyone gets heals because you are in the zerg. Zerg battles don’t last more than 60 seconds. Either we wipe 60-100 of them or we wipe. there is no “little” battles around the zerg. If a little group peels off we turn and plow them over because they aren’t getting the heals form their zerg. Guess it all different wherever you are, but there is no side or back fighting. We are one and that is how you survive.

Reokie.7809:

This is because some of the “pro” pvp players like to farm newbies in “practice” mode either for their own amusement or because they want the rewards that for some reason come from doing matches in practice mode.

Given that it didn’t exist, before the “pro” players got “pro”, I would suggest you drink more water. The hateraide is apparently not doing you good.

I was gonna make a longer reply but realized it wouldn’t be of any use to the OP.

I will say that I assumed you were purposely ignoring the post I refered to earlier. As it’s a very common theme on these forums to completely ignore the posts that aren’t like. I ask that you understand that and if youve been on the forums often im sure you do.

Ill also say that my WvW experience on my server is significantly different from your wvw experience on yours. I found WvW to be nothing but beneficial to me in the long run. You did not. I ask that the OP DO infact try it himself and come to his own conclusion. The benefits to situational awareness in the kind of zerg fighting im used to are heavy. And they will come in handy. But if the OPs server does not have that kind of fighting. I could see how it would be unhelpful. However either way it seems like the OP has been answered in full as to his original question. I hope he finds whatever he needs in order to succeed in TPvP and I also stress that its going to take TIME and effort. It’s worth it though. Some of the most intense fights ive had in this game have been in the TPvP.

Dungeons or fractals are your solution if you want to learn a new class. There are training dummies in hotm. You could get a group of 8-10 friends together and practice that way or get into a 1v1 arena. People are nice in dueling servers and most of the time are moderated.