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Posted by: Belial.9350

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A lot of people seem to be pointing at the fact that many teams run two eles and use this to argue that ele is OP. This is a flawed argument however.

Any organised team comp needs at least two players that can provide a decent amount of sustain for the whole team (both healing and condition clear), or they risk losing fights by attrition. The only viable builds that fill this role are eles, bunker guardians and shoutbow warriors. Bunker guard suffers from lack of mobility and rotates extremely slowly. Shoutbow used to be top dog for this role, but has received multiple nerfs to its team support and has to either run Settlers and lose pressure or run Cele and lose team support.

Now when HoT comes out, we have new contenders for this role – the Herald and Druid. Both of these appear to be strong contenders and I expect that we will see these classes replacing one or even both eles in team comps.

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Posted by: style.6173

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So basically DD ele isn’t OP the past few months because at some point another spec may take its place. That’s the kind of logic that should earn you a job in the balance team!

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Posted by: Belial.9350

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So basically DD ele isn’t OP the past few months because at some point another spec may take its place. That’s the kind of logic that should earn you a job in the balance team!

So, you disagree with the fact that a coordinated team needs at least 2 support classes to do well vs another coordinated team and that d/d ele is currently the strongest option to fill the role?

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Posted by: Exciton.8942

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DD ele was not some support build you are claiming.
It was everything. It can hold point, decap point, win every 1v1, sustain 1v2, outrotate anyone but thief.

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Posted by: Jekkt.6045

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i already said this after bwe2 that ele won’t be as popular anymore after hot comes out.

the build was nerfed now which brings it even more down

right now condi necro and condi mesmer – to some extent – can reliably kill a d/d ele in a 1v1. even gs/ham warrior can but it will be hard.

in bwe2 reapers and heralds were able to kill d/d eles in a 1v1. condi chronos if you want, but meh.

i don’t think a druid will be able to kill a d/d ele but the fight will end in a tie and you never know.

scrapper is the next candidate that could be dangerous so we’ll see how that will turn out.

but in the end the game isn’t balanced around 1v1 anyway

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

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Not necessarily. Herald farts out boons like nothing we’ve ever seen before, but has pretty much no group healing to speak of, unless it gimps itself by going Ventari(plz dont do this ever). It also can’t clear conditions on allies with any degree of frequency.

Conversely, Druid heals like a boss, but provides almost no boons for allies.

Elementalist, and Tempest too, still have a niche because they can do both of that at the same time.

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Posted by: Belial.9350

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Well I hate to say that I told you so but… I told you so.

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Posted by: LegallyBinding.4937

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My shout Druid applies 500-700 boons to allies per game. It heals too.

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Posted by: ReaperJr.5967

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Called it. Even after fire traitline nerfs there were loads of qq threads about d/d ele, even though it was fine. Gave a decent explanation of why it wasn’t op yet trying to convince forum warriors is like playing chess with a pigeon; they knock all your pieces down, kitten on the board and pretend they have won.

Gave up and concluded the thread on the note that d/d ele would be phased out once HoT hits. Guess who was right.

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Posted by: Cogbyrn.7283

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Gave a decent explanation of why it wasn’t op yet trying to convince forum warriors is like playing chess with a pigeon; they knock all your pieces down, kitten on the board and pretend they have won.

Gave up and concluded the thread on the note that d/d ele would be phased out once HoT hits. Guess who was right.

I hate how true that statement is. Not that everyone has to always agree, but declarations of victory on the forums are just incredible to read.

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Posted by: vespers.1759

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.

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Posted by: ReaperJr.5967

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

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Posted by: vespers.1759

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.

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Posted by: ReaperJr.5967

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

I didn’t say anything about it being nerfed except about the fire traitline which WAS nerfed. It isnt competition when the elite specs are blatantly better than dd ele.

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Posted by: vespers.1759

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

I didn’t say anything about it being nerfed except about the fire traitline which WAS nerfed. It isnt competition when the elite specs are blatantly better than dd ele.

The elite specs are blatantly better than all the old specs, that problem is not unique to ele. Plus D/D continues to dominate the old specs so idk what the issue is really since you’re in a far better place than others.

Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.

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Posted by: ReaperJr.5967

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My heart bleeds for the class that was best in game in all game modes for 3 years and is now slightly less good.

See? Exactly what I mean. No point trying to convince haters. They will always insist on exaggerating how relatively good ele was and downplaying how relatively bad it is now.

You’re right you won’t because ele has not been nerfed, it is simply less dominant as competition has arisen to challenge it. Imo that’s a kitten good thing.

I didn’t say anything about it being nerfed except about the fire traitline which WAS nerfed. It isnt competition when the elite specs are blatantly better than dd ele.

The elite specs are blatantly better than all the old specs, that problem is not unique to ele. Plus D/D continues to dominate the old specs so idk what the issue is really since you’re in a far better place than others.

Issue is with people still whining about dd ele being op when it obviously isnt comparable anymore. It dominated old specs pre-fire nerf but after the nerf it was fine.

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Posted by: incisorr.9502

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d/d ele was crap in 2v2 because it didn’t offer anything really significant and it wasn’t the best 1v1 setup because it lost to others

especially to my paralyzation mace warrior because d/d ele has only one stability buff (2 if they run with trait + utility) which only lasts 6 seconds, no matter how you look at it you have at least 48 seconds to stun them for 4 seconds with 6sec cd while you can just outsustain all of their dmg as a warrior

before they butchered warriors cuz of the quickness nerf since arena net has always hated warriors and they’ve always been the underdog class since the beginning of this game. Even shoutbow warrior was utter crap when focused by 2 people as it had no dashes besides one jump, one stunbreaker and its condi removal relied on actually hitting a slow casting crappy bow firefield which was so kittening bad and in general shoutbow warr was pretty kitten in 2v2 when focused, just like d/d ele