Guild Wars 2

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

I am not in favour of duelling, because:

1. The core philosophy is cooperative in PvE.
2. Costume brawl
3. Two PvP modes already exist
4. Don’t want the confusion between enemies and duellers in PvE environment.
5. Interruption of large group events.
6. Chat requests to 1v1 if I have the proposed “switch” set to off.
7. More like WoW..

That said, I think there are plenty of ways to make duelling fit within the PvP modes of the game, like daily activities. Lfg duel?

1. Dueling isn’t PvE. It is Player vs Player. PvE competition is mob tagging ownership, and shared nodes. So even if they add dueling to the PvE world, it doesn’t break their philosophy.
2. Which requires Gems to play. Not everyone has a costume to fight.
3. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-there-STILL-no-dueling/first#post3804938
4. Explain further.
5. Explain further.
6. Block them. Report them if they still keep harassing you. Should ANet remove gold because a bot bothered you about selling gold to you?
7. It is a standard MMO feature in almost every mmorpg.

If dueling is added, which I don’t think it should be, please keep it out of PvE. I believe that overall dueling will create a lot negativity and complaints just to satisfy a minority who have viable alternatives.

When I first read this, I thought “yeah, if ya wanna duel go to a custom arena and duel, or an empty server and duel”. Then I thought " wow, it would be nice to duel in some of the great places ingame, like mount malestrom, or the middle of some of the jumping puzzles". In fact at this point I do kinda wonder why not. Perhaps if people had to be friends to duel first, or in the same guild. Call it sparing perhaps. But yeah I think I would enjoy an open world duel or 2 now and again. I think ill go and hit up some wvwvw.

Duel in the open world should be instanced, if it would ever happen.

The way it would work would be by a player selecting another player and sending a pvp duel request, if player accepts, then both players get sent into an instance, and duel there. Once it’s over, both players get sent back to the map they were in.

To make it unique, every instanced you’re in would have a background according to the map that you requested the duel from. Sort of like a fighting game, small area, different backgrounds.

There should be like an icon next to your name, or you be visible in mini-map to tell others that you are willing to duel, and there should be an option to turn dueling on and off, so players who don’t want to be bothered by it don’t have to be.

Why is there STILL no dueling?

Because they want you to pay for custom arenas.
/thread

DaShi.1368:

If dueling is added, which I don’t think it should be, please keep it out of PvE. I believe that overall dueling will create a lot negativity and complaints just to satisfy a minority who have viable alternatives.

What viable alternatives?

Justin ODell.9517:

evildeadjunky.1576:

Maybe cause its stupid that you have to load like 3 screens to do it?

You can directly join a custom arena from anywhere. You do not need to be in the Heart of the Mists anymore.

Dueling is often used as kind of time killer while waiting for something. Be it event, somebody to log in or w/e. Leaving your current zone just to duel will likely place you in over flow once you are done – hence wasting time.

Zyphent.2967:

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

I personally do not want open world dueling. Many that I have heard from feel the same, and point to other games that had similar things like you desire, and the problems that it actually causes. It does not promote a friendly environment, and causes additional headaches for the Devs.

You probably have at least half of PvE that does not want that, and the majority of the rest are mixed, and I’d go so far as to say half of PvX as well would not really be for it. The only way I might not be against it, is if there were certain spots set up, but not in the middle of the typical areas people gather, for this purpose. But then again, the custom arena’s fill that role.

Half of the players dont want half of the things put into the game, you’ll have to give better reasons than that.

Can you elaborate on the “Doesn’t create a friendly environment” concept please? Every game I’ve seen with duels you can disable the option, and its generally a small crowd who enjoys dueling each other, and its totally non-invasive to any other section of the game.

I can understand it not being your cup of tea, but how can you actively be against it? I cannot fathom many scenarios where it actively hurts the game, and clearly there is demand for it.

Others have already elaborated on some of the reasons against it, Burrtheking listed some of them that have concerned me. I have seen some of that behavior before. Don’t misunderstand, I do understand the reasons people want dueling, and the benefits of being able to do so. But, I also know how people are, and the extremes to which they will try to grief others.

It also is extra work, as devs have numerous issues they have to consider to implement something like that. Examples: Will boosters influence it or not? Preventing outside influence/healing/fields/etc. Preventing mobs from having an issue without also allowing the duelers to use this invulnerability to mobs to bypass other content, etc. These are just some of the issues that arise with how GW2 has been implemented.

Costume brawl wouldn’t be a fair comparison, either. They had to make new skills that replace your current skillbar, and disable utility skills. But buffs and runes still influence it, although not nearly to the extent it did when first implemented.

To even begin to implement something like this, in open world, these and many other concerns would need to be addressed, to not have a negative impact on PvE. All of this isn’t even addressing the inevitable whining that would occur about skills in PvE not being balanced for dueling… You know this would come…

I am a PvX player, and while I wouldn’t mind being able to have friendly fights in some way with friends, there are many concerns about doing so. I do not like the serious, negative attitudes that tends to be prevalent in PvP, and dueling would be more subject to that. WvW gets around it, to an extent, by not allowing opponents to easily see names and communicate with one another.

Here are my reasons why I want open world dueling;

-The game has beautiful views, I want to fight people while have visual ‘orgasms’.

-Access to armor stat combination, food and looks of choice

-Insta fights with people that are willing to fight me, no more 20 mins on a borderland trying to find some roamer, only to either be chased off by a zerg/intrusion from mates/walking back from death.

-Gathering places outside cities, on community-organized arenas, such as Fire shaman, where people could show case ‘dueling tournaments’ with ‘viewers’.

-Community can find spots in the maps that would otherwise be ignored. Exploring might actually become a thing again, trying to find the best spots for fights, or people fighting.

-Make up for awesome videos showcasing individual skills and beautiful views of the game for people that want to seee certain players, players who have not explored in-depth, heck, even for people who dont play the game which can get to see how darn pretty our game is (I know it has worked for me before with some other games)

-Can become hubs for builds, exchange of ideas, training ground for new WvW recruits, friendly fist interchange, group of players actively playing rather than AF|k’ing waiting for their TP stuff to sell.

Fortus.6175:

Here are my reasons why I want open world dueling;

-The game has beautiful views, I want to fight people while have visual ‘orgasms’.

-Access to armor stat combination, food and looks of choice

-Insta fights with people that are willing to fight me, no more 20 mins on a borderland trying to find some roamer, only to either be chased off by a zerg/intrusion from mates/walking back from death.

-Gathering places outside cities, on community-organized arenas, such as Fire shaman, where people could show case ‘dueling tournaments’ with ‘viewers’.

-Community can find spots in the maps that would otherwise be ignored. Exploring might actually become a thing again, trying to find the best spots for fights, or people fighting.

-Make up for awesome videos showcasing individual skills

-Can become hubs for builds, exchange of ideas, training ground for new WvW recruits, friendly fist interchange, group of players actively playing rather than AF|k’ing waiting for their TP stuff to sell.

^ This guy has it down. I know I’m not the only one who wants to fight one and only one player when looking for a fight. Attempting to do so as anything but a thief, mesmer, or warrior or doing so without an ally that plays the former two only spells frustration for you, your server, or the pvp server. As Fortus said, it’s as simple as allowing us to fight in the open world. There is no need for elaborate maps, prizes, and fanfare over something so simple yet essential to appeasing a large portion of the player base.

If I could duel, I would gladly stop wasting a queue slot in wvw or jumping into other players servers uninvited.

Justin ODell.9517:

Simplest answer I can give is that it just isn’t as high a priority as other things we have been working on.

Why do you feel custom arenas do not work for those that want to duel?

are u kiding me i wanna duel in pve not in the kitten s pvp how can u even sey that u gona add so much content if people sit in LA and duel amoung them self having fun u killing huge part of fun in the game dueling in PVE

I think that the ability to duel in the open world would be a HUGE QoL improvement. I can’t even begin to mention how many times me and my guildies have wished for this.

It’s not the same to go to Heart of the Mists to duel. Our builds don’t work the same there as they do in the “PvE” world due to the differences in stats.

I think this would be a lot of fun and a lot of duelers would be incredibly appreciative of this.

I spend 80% of my GW2 time dueling around in Obsidian Sanctum and it is really enjoyable. However, it can easily get trolled and the communication between the duelers doesn’t come around as easy considering we are on enemy team.
And of course there is the want for dueling friends from my own server with our current WvW setups.

Just think about it Anet. Pretty please =)

me and my buddy’s would like the chance to duel each other knowing we are testing our builds on people that are of a high level of skill, rather then aimlessly roaming wasting pugs with it till.we find its weaknesses, it would also be fun to make dueling videos in a controlled environment, that’s my reasons why I’d like open world dueling however with some of the bulids currently getting around they pritty much will ruin the idear of dueling with skill and instead it will become dueling with builds, which wouldn’t be so fun.

Yes, duels in pve please, just make it so that armor takes no damage from lost duels

One should be able to toggle duels on/off so others can’t harass one with duel requests.
Harassment via chat is not an argument because they can do that regardless of the implementation of duels.

i’d like to see duelling too, dear anet is not too much work to do

1) just make a queue like soloq and arena for duelling in the second door of forest of nifhel, with walls to the rest of the map (so u cant run away) or the middle of the new map

2) there is no other points cause your job is already finished and everyone is happy… i think u can do it in 30 minutes and make happy everyone

why customs is not good for this purpose imho:

1)if is private u can do it only with your friends, and after a while will be boring playing everytime vs the same ppl

2)there is one pubblic custom arena “king of the hill” there is everytime a long queue for join a duel if u are 16 ppl or more waiting 2 spots is not really funny, someting like tournament its like click and go istantly!!!

I also suggest that in dueling mode, you can’t fall below 500 health. So no mess of being “downed” or killed or ressed, or taking armor damage or whatever. This would also save people from the psychological humiliation of being stomped – a very big point when dealing with open world PvP IMHO.

This game has awesome scenery. Wouldn’t it be even more awesome to find exotic dueling spots? Like at the topmost mountain of the Shiverpeaks! Or the background of the pink sunset in Fireheart rise. Or dueling in pools of lava with only a few safe spots. Or underwater in Timberline falls where it’s so clear and gorgeous.

Taking it one step further…imagine death matches in dungeons. Okay I’m getting carried away now.

Please Anet. Give us an excuse to enjoy your maps…

Lian Olsam.9541:

i’d like to see duelling too, dear anet is not too much work to do

1) just make a queue like soloq and arena for duelling in the second door of forest of nifhel, with walls to the rest of the map (so u cant run away) or the middle of the new map

2) there is no other points cause your job is already finished and everyone is happy… i think u can do it in 30 minutes and make happy everyone

why customs is not good for this purpose imho:

1)if is private u can do it only with your friends, and after a while will be boring playing everytime vs the same ppl

2)there is one pubblic custom arena “king of the hill” there is everytime a long queue for join a duel if u are 16 ppl or more waiting 2 spots is not really funny, someting like tournament its like click and go istantly!!!

That is such a terrible way to implement dueling lol.

Dueling should be a very low priority for few reasons :

1. This game is not balanced around 1vs1, can you immagine how many threads will open just to expres frustration and a call for balance XD ?

2. You can already duel in sPvP, but there are some cheesy builds.

3. Obsidian Sanctum is perfect for those who want to use super cheesy builds and win easily.

What do you need more ? you want to fight in PvE ? well this game is not designed for it, go play L2/DF/Ecc..

I don’t care much about dueling, and I would even be against it.
Why ? Because 1v1 is bad and only for showing off dudes, GW2 was balanced around interaction, not boasting in 1v1 (reminds me in AvA in GW1 “noob come 1v1” seriously ?)
There is also some way to duel in custom arena. Yes it’s not perfect, but it does exist. You can also do that in the Obsidium Sanctum.

It should definitely not become a priority over anything else. Anything else is more important than that.

Thered a very simple way to please everyone when it comes to duelling, you just have to be creative.

There will be 3 drop down menus in the f11 menu:

Enable duelling:

1. Disabled (default)
2. Only when both you and the other invite each other
3. Always ask. A window pops up with “accept” or “reject” whenever someone invited you.

Culling options, spectating:

1. Remove all duelling players’ skill effects and charater models.
2. Duelling players show up as whisps, like in the clocktower jumping puzzle. (Default)
3. Remove only skill effects, but still see animations and models.
4. See duelling players normally.

Culling options, duelling:

1. Same as for spectating, but culling other players instead of you and the duellist.

How to initiate a duel: right click on someone and vlik invite for duel.

Potential problem (quoted from no particular person):
Elitists will duel you to test your skill for you to join a party, and create a less healthy environment.
In my oppinion this argument doesn’t really make sense, I’ll try to explain. Elitists will ‘test you’ even without duelling, aka gear and build checks. Also, the whole point of elitists is that they want to be better than everyone else. I generaly avoid partying with thrm, and only party with friends, who play for fun.

Also, testing someone for PVE by doing PVP with them makes no sense. Any pwrson with common sense will know pvp skills dont help in dungeons, and pve skills dont hehlp in pvp.

Oh, and heres a bit of lore: "There are seperate ‘astral planes’ that are located at the physical world, but cant interact with it. In these planes usually only energy and entities which are invisible to the physical eye exist. Somehow, the heroes of Tyria have gained the ability to travel to these planes, and see others with the same ability as blue mists, which we have decided to call “whisps. It required 2 heroes to enter an astral plane, and when one of them leaves, the other automatically follows. These whisps cannot interact with entities in the physical world, and vice versa. some guilds claim that they can send up to 50 people to the same plane, to meet with other guilds, what these large groups do there is unknown, but it’s probably of grave importance to science.”
-researcher Bipp

TL;DR: Don’t be afraid to ad duellibg just because there are a few trolls/elitists that want to ruin your day, they will always be there, it’s better to just ignore them. If they refuse to party with you because you don’t want to duel, it’s because they lack common sense, and you wouldn’t want to party with them anyway. In the end, we all just want to have fun, right?

There are creative ways that reuse other systems in the game to make duelling pleasant for everyone who does, and who doesn’t want to.

Anyway, that’s just how I see it. Feel free to point something out if I madr a mistake.

Justin ODell.9517:

You guys are making some really good points, thanks.

Do you guys think this should be a higher priority than other changes? Why?

It would absolutely slaughter waiting boredom in all three gamemodes, (especially WvW and sPvP, where people go to kill other dudes anyway, but even most PvEers like casual dueling judging by it’s inclusion in every MMO of name).
It would also be a great recruitment tool for sPvP.

Also consider guild duels/skirmishes. Essentially casual, unrated GvG, playable anywhere. It would also provide a more robust framework for player organized GvG (because of griefers or other unwanted interference). That would be brilliant.

@ everyone saying it would be unbalanced.
Yes, which is why it’s just casual fun.

sminkiottone.6972:

Dueling should be a very low priority for few reasons :

1. This game is not balanced around 1vs1, can you immagine how many threads will open just to expres frustration and a call for balance XD ?

2. You can already duel in sPvP, but there are some cheesy builds.

3. Obsidian Sanctum is perfect for those who want to use super cheesy builds and win easily.

What do you need more ? you want to fight in PvE ? well this game is not designed for it, go play L2/DF/Ecc..

1.Many MMORPG isn’t balanced for 1v1 yet they have dueling. Many builds are self-sufficient.
1b.There are many instances that you will have to 1v1 in the real PvP. A home bunker have to protect their point from the far assaulter.

2. I can grief duels in sPvP arena.

3. I can bring a zerg to grief there too.

4. Implement dueling and the game is designed to have it as a side feature.

Zirith.6429:

Lian Olsam.9541:

i’d like to see duelling too, dear anet is not too much work to do

1) just make a queue like soloq and arena for duelling in the second door of forest of nifhel, with walls to the rest of the map (so u cant run away) or the middle of the new map

2) there is no other points cause your job is already finished and everyone is happy… i think u can do it in 30 minutes and make happy everyone

why customs is not good for this purpose imho:

1)if is private u can do it only with your friends, and after a while will be boring playing everytime vs the same ppl

2)there is one pubblic custom arena “king of the hill” there is everytime a long queue for join a duel if u are 16 ppl or more waiting 2 spots is not really funny, someting like tournament its like click and go istantly!!!

That is such a terrible way to implement dueling lol.

Why?
No one force ppl to duel, this mode si already playable i will with some guildmates, but i d like do it with random.. i dont feel too much pain to duel ppl or some classes u know this when u queue up so u will prepare for that.. in my guild we done a duelling turnament we have ppl in top 100 the winner is a warrior? No it is an ele atm is out of meta but he is good and he found a good build for duel… one of the rule it was about no change the build during the turnament so he won vs necros engi thief hambow war etc etc.. i think ppl wanna play this game mode should do asap if anet will follow my idea.. and if someone dont like it just keep playing soloq or tpvp no problem…

Right click → Challenge for duel. Devs can already do this with a line of code, as seen on livestream. How hard can it be to implement?

Justin ODell.9517:

You guys are making some really good points, thanks.

Do you guys think this should be a higher priority than other changes? Why?

I do believe it is a high priority add dueling anywhere (except in instances) to the game, tbh it should have been implemented a long time ago. Obviously the priority is relative to what you guys are doing atm

I know ppl can just step into a custom arena and duel but what we would like is to duel wile we are waiting for a friend to join the group or wile taking a brake in wvwvw…

EDIT: Thank you Justin for giving this thread some well deserved attention!

Ah, come on people! This would be great for the community, and a bliss to so many people who would find great enjoyment in it!

The only reasonable arguments I can find against it is annoying dueling-requests when you do not want to duel, and perhaps that it might be distracting in hub-centers, such as the old Traders Forum and the top of Vigil Keep.

Both can be easily prevented. The only thing remaining is people actually asking you to duel them in chat. I remember that this could be obnoxious in WoW, but when I went visiting my little brother just a couple of weeks ago, I got reminded about how obnoxious, immature and vile a vocal part of its playerbase as a whole is; It’s on a much different level than what you see in GW2 =)

Point is: If some people does this, it will be to a lot smaller extent than in WoW i.e. (where it was nothing more than a small irritation sometimes), and if someone one day would do this to you, just block them.

I absolutely think that the arguments against dueling is minuscule when compared to what we would gain from it!

Justin ODell.9517:

Simplest answer I can give is that it just isn’t as high a priority as other things we have been working on.

Why do you feel custom arenas do not work for those that want to duel?

You’re right, we simply want to pay monthly for the privilege to duel someone that usually comes standard in AAA mmo’s. Wake up people, the only reason why it’s not in the game is because they want your money by you paying for custom arenas. When the game was first released I still remember threads that begged for dueling and they said they would put it on the “to do” list. 1.5 years later, here we are. It’s almost comical but yet fitting that the developers have access to dueling, and even teased the community with said feature on a live stream as a means to show off the new heals that were being implemented in the game at the time.

I have very low expectations for everything revolving around this game, esp for pvp. It’s the best way not to be disappointed when something new comes along.

Countless

I am another one who is completely for dueling. Implementing an option to duel in PvE would be enough to pull me out The Mists. Which I have left maby 3 times in almost 2 years.

My friends and I would be very pleased to see a feature like this. So please consider the development time for this implementation. Thank you.

Arriving late to GW2, and primarily for PvP, I was surprised that there wasn’t a duel option. You could make it an option only in the mists if people will find it annoying in LA (I would probably). It would give life in Mists and decrease the trash talking since people could work out who sucks in a duel.

Dueling brings out a community that makes movies and promotes them. Views lead to interest, which leads to purchases of the game and gems.

krow.4836:

Arriving late to GW2, and primarily for PvP, I was surprised that there wasn’t a duel option. You could make it an option only in the mists if people will find it annoying in LA (I would probably). It would give life in Mists and decrease the trash talking since people could work out who sucks in a duel.

Dueling brings out a community that makes movies and promotes them. Views lead to interest, which leads to purchases of the game and gems.

I think that Dueling would be a great feature in the general world aswell, just not in the middle of the capitals where the majority of people hangs out.
I.e., in the Vigil keep, you would perhaps not be allowed to duel on the upper floor.

runeblade.7514:

Justin ODell.9517:

You guys are making some really good points, thanks.

Do you guys think this should be a higher priority than other changes? Why?

What other priority are you looking at?

I know for sure that, Dueling should definitely be higher than Living Story.

…In your opinion.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-not-add-Duel/first#post3504862

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-not-add-Duel/first#post3504862

Not everyone is so… thematic?
They don’t think ‘hey this is PvE-land so any and all PvP cannot be enjoyed here’…

People just want to have fun, and dueling friends or interesting specs, even for allot of people who mainly PvE is fun. Tossing that out of the game, or I should say, making it a big hassle to do, throws out an enjoyable part of the game for many (and let’s face it, this game is desperate for enjoyable things to do).

There would NEED to be a ‘turn duel requests off’ button though.
Being spammed constantly by duel requests while you’re in the middle of something is just annoying.

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

As I have not experienced Dueling in previous games, I am having a problem understanding.

• A duel is between one player(or team) and another aka Player vs. Player. Isn’t that what the PvP part of the game is all about?

• Why should they bring the game type of PvP into PvE? Isn’t that what WvW is all about?

To me, PvE is about helping your fellow player not smiting her bones to ashes and dancing on her grave.

I guess I just see it as a conflict of the idealistic purpose of the individual game types.

1. So what? This game is about Elder Dragons, so why is Living Story about Scarlet?
2. Then don’t think about Dueling as a gametype. Think of It as a side feature.

Justin ODell.9517:

You guys are making some really good points, thanks.

Do you guys think this should be a higher priority than other changes? Why?

it’s not that it needs to be higher priority, rather just include it in the list(why not next patch). but just add a “right click portrait” -> “invite to duel” in open world, and that is it. don’t allow it in certain areas for idk reasons and it should be fine and not take alot of work.

Cynic.4805:

So once again, I’ll ask, why is there no dueling yet in the open world?

Every time this is asked all I can see is a 12 year old player waiting on a Thief/Mesmer thinking it takes skill to stealth around on random mobs while waiting for the “Opponent” to be on cool down with all of their skill.

Dueling in this game would be a joke due to the game mechanics. It is why this question has been laughed off the forum since release of this game. You would only ever see horrible stealth Thieves and Mesmer (sadly thinking it is their skill carrying the fight instead of the horrendous stealth mechanic in this game).

Vanthian.9267:

Cynic.4805:

So once again, I’ll ask, why is there no dueling yet in the open world?

Every time this is asked all I can see is a 12 year old player waiting on a Thief/Mesmer thinking it takes skill to stealth around on random mobs while waiting for the “Opponent” to be on cool down with all of their skill.

Dueling in this game would be a joke due to the game mechanics. It is why this question has been laughed off the forum since release of this game. You would only ever see horrible stealth Thieves and Mesmer (sadly thinking it is their skill carrying the fight instead of the horrendous stealth mechanic in this game).

I think you don’t really know what everyone else is talking about here. I think you are thinking that dueling = ganking. A dual is a mutual fight accepted between 2 players.

It’s surprising how many pve’ers are missing the point of how open world dueling works.
It’s like you’re only reading the parts that you want to read lol

You don’t have to participate if you don’t want to. It will not affect your gameplay at all. Their skills will not hit/damage you. As in most other games, there will be an option to ‘turn off/on duel requests’.
I’ve personally witnessed, in other games, how it promotes a sense of fun & community. At the very least, it’s something to do if you’re just standing around being bored at the time.

Open world dueling (by request) would be a phenomenal addition to a game who’s aesthetic beauty surpasses any other game out there.
I’m also quite sure that most pvp’ers would love to utilize the extensive pve terrain options available throughout the GW2 pve world.

I think that dueling could really bring something to the current empty feeling of the pve world. Could even please the ‘hard to please’ wvw roamer population a bit

Although I’m not someone who would participate in many duels personally, I would love to watch matches on some of my favorite maps, between my guildies or even :gasp: wvw rivals guesting on our server

However, this is NOT more important than the Feature Update OR Account Bound WXP & long overdue WvW Bug Fixes….

Jaxom.7310:

Vanthian.9267:

Cynic.4805:

So once again, I’ll ask, why is there no dueling yet in the open world?

Every time this is asked all I can see is a 12 year old player waiting on a Thief/Mesmer thinking it takes skill to stealth around on random mobs while waiting for the “Opponent” to be on cool down with all of their skill.

Dueling in this game would be a joke due to the game mechanics. It is why this question has been laughed off the forum since release of this game. You would only ever see horrible stealth Thieves and Mesmer (sadly thinking it is their skill carrying the fight instead of the horrendous stealth mechanic in this game).

I think you don’t really know what everyone else is talking about here. I think you are thinking that dueling = ganking. A dual is a mutual fight accepted between 2 players.

Not to mention that it takes some degree of skill to use stealth correctly. If someone wins by simply spamming stealth, then it just means their opponent is even worse for not countering it.

And yeah, no one here is suggesing open world pvp where you can just run up to someone and kill them without them ever accepting it.

DanyK.3842:

Right click -> Challenge for duel. Devs can already do this with a line of code, as seen on livestream. How hard can it be to implement?

Just want to clear this one up, but the actual code from the livestream looked like “Right click → Make character hostile to every single other entity in the zone.”

And I doubt ANet would ever put dueling in without a couple of production value extras.

Alissah.9281:

Jaxom.7310:

Vanthian.9267:

Cynic.4805:

So once again, I’ll ask, why is there no dueling yet in the open world?

Every time this is asked all I can see is a 12 year old player waiting on a Thief/Mesmer thinking it takes skill to stealth around on random mobs while waiting for the “Opponent” to be on cool down with all of their skill.

Dueling in this game would be a joke due to the game mechanics. It is why this question has been laughed off the forum since release of this game. You would only ever see horrible stealth Thieves and Mesmer (sadly thinking it is their skill carrying the fight instead of the horrendous stealth mechanic in this game).

I think you don’t really know what everyone else is talking about here. I think you are thinking that dueling = ganking. A dual is a mutual fight accepted between 2 players.

Not to mention that it takes some degree of skill to use stealth correctly. If someone wins by simply spamming stealth, then it just means their opponent is even worse for not countering it.

And yeah, no one here is suggesing open world pvp where you can just run up to someone and kill them without them ever accepting it.

Basically this ^

I have wanted open world dueling ever since I realized this game lacked it (day 1).

There are many reasons I would like to engage in duels in the PVE world including:

-I want to test my WvW builds out with friends (sPVP is not an acceptable alternative)
-It lets me learn my class and other classes better in a casual environment
-It gives me something to do while waiting for events to start
-It’s for more convenient than trying to find a roamer in wvw and easier than going to arenas
-it’s fun to watch random players going at it
-it’s fun, plain and simple

Personally I spent a good portion of my time dueling when I played WoW, and it helped me to improve as a player immensely. It doesn’t matter that the classes aren’t balanced around 1v1, because like it or not, you will end up with 1v1’s in pvp and it helps if you have practiced against a class you are weak against.

Some features a dueling system in GW2 would need:
-ability to auto decline duels
-right click on portrait to duel
-count down timer
-end on down and immediately healed to full
-limited range, say 10,000 radius from where duel is initiated
-cities duel free (except maybe in a designated dueling arena)

Please implement dueling in GW2!

Agree completely with above post (Dakarius). If anything being able to play with people you already know in a guaranteed 1v1 situation, with no armor damage to worry about, would be a great way to get players who have never pvped before into dueling.
Right now the only options for someone who isn’t already in a pvp guild/community are:
-Try to find an spvp arena that is empty to fight a friend (may be interrupted)
-Use random dueling room (lot of trolls, aggressive strangers etc, standing around being ignored)
-Hope a 1v1 in world vs world doesn’t turn into getting steamrolled by a zerg or ganked by incoming roamers with whom you cannot communicate to indicate a duel. And that’s after you’re able to find just one person to fight, and has a strong chance of armor breaking and long runs back to the fighting area.

Currently the only place pve gear/builds can be tested are in wvw, where many people cannot fight their friends because they aren’t on one of the two enemy servers that week. Even in Edge of the Mist, you can’t fight someone on your own server.

Sparring with friends is a more lighthearted and fun way to get into pvp than some of the nasty experiences a new player can have with strangers. I like to encourage my friends to try some friendly pvp with me to open up more of the game and its mechanics to them, but having to set up a pvp build and find a place to fight is often so inconvenient it’s even harder to encourage them. Being unable to fight friends easily was one of the biggest letdowns for me in this game.

I don’t want open world dueling. I want a random area, either in PvP or WvW that gives some sort of rewards/ranking.

For me there is no reason to do it if I don’t know the rank/ability of my opponent. If I beat a random no-body, so what.

But if I’m rank 1000 and I beat someone ranked 900, fantastic, I’ve achieved something.

Should make balancing easier as well.

Sube Dai.8496:

I don’t want open world dueling. I want a random area, either in PvP or WvW that gives some sort of rewards/ranking.

For me there is no reason to do it if I don’t know the rank/ability of my opponent. If I beat a random no-body, so what.

But if I’m rank 1000 and I beat someone ranked 900, fantastic, I’ve achieved something.

Should make balancing easier as well.

That wouldnt be dueling but actual solo arena. Dueling is just an awesome feature idk why any rational person would be against it.

Aren’t there already several 24/7 dueling servers available? Go in there and duel to your heart’s content.

Sure you have to wait a bit to heal yourselves up after each fight, but it’s there.

There’s no point asking anet to implement this anymore because:

1.They don’t devote the majority of their time to pvp in this game anyway
2.Viable alternative exists
3.From the way they reply, it seems that it’s more difficult to implement dueling than hopeful people would believe

CorneredLamp.7809:

Aren’t there already several 24/7 dueling servers available? Go in there and duel to your heart’s content.

Sure you have to wait a bit to heal yourselves up after each fight, but it’s there.

There’s no point asking anet to implement this anymore because:

1.They don’t devote the majority of their time to pvp in this game anyway
2.Viable alternative exists
3.From the way they reply, it seems that it’s more difficult to implement dueling than hopeful people would believe

1. I don’t have money to buy a custom arena just to duel a few times per day.
2. You still have to go through 2 loading screens, if youre for example waiting for a dungeon group to fill
3. Dueling servers often have 20 people in it, making it near inpossile to join, aswell as actually play. The 2 fastest clickers get picked.

CorneredLamp.7809:

Aren’t there already several 24/7 dueling servers available? Go in there and duel to your heart’s content.

Sure you have to wait a bit to heal yourselves up after each fight, but it’s there.

There’s no point asking anet to implement this anymore because:

1.They don’t devote the majority of their time to pvp in this game anyway
2.Viable alternative exists
3.From the way they reply, it seems that it’s more difficult to implement dueling than hopeful people would believe

Duel servers exist for me to disrupt their duel and grief the players.

Proven.2854:

DanyK.3842:

Right click -> Challenge for duel. Devs can already do this with a line of code, as seen on livestream. How hard can it be to implement?

Just want to clear this one up, but the actual code from the livestream looked like “Right click -> Make character hostile to every single other entity in the zone.”

And I doubt ANet would ever put dueling in without a couple of production value extras.

Right click → challenge → popup window asking if player accepts duel. → if yes → make player hostile to me; if not → nothing.
Maybe when you stomp the opponent rallies, combat and hostility resets and you get a popup saying you are victorious. Nothing that doesn’t exist in game already. I wouldn’t add a specific arena for this as at this point duels are very dependent on terrain. Being able to duel and spectate anywhere and anytime would be nice.

add duels and then make it a free trial weekend = BANK!

None of my friends could get into GW2. They wanted to pvp, so they tried sPvP, but were overwhelmed by trying to fit a full lvl 80 character with weapons and traits since they were brand new to the game.

Then they tried WvW, which was just as overwhelming, and of course they never got a chance to practice any 1v1s there.

I think giving new players the opportunity to practice dueling with skills while leveling up will help retain more players that aren’t just looking for a PvE experience.

The PvE experience has a learning curve, where PvP just throws you in the deep end. I only stuck around because i both enjoyed the PvE and had the patience to figure out sPvP/WvW.