Guild Wars 2

Unrelenting assault and surge from the mist, namely.

Unrelenting assault will hit you like a truck, is an evade, teleports you to the player, and is God kitten nearly impossible to get away from. Where the kittening kitten is the counterplay to this kitten?

Surge from the mist will hit you like a truck, knocks you back repeatedly, and is an evade. Do you guys just give out evades now without putting any thought into it? Balance this kittening class so its not broken anymore God kitten it.

That’s another spvp issue.

Not being able to counterplay ( in before “you can dodge 2x and avoid 80% dmg” ), or waste many resources on a 15 sec cd skill.

Btw, as Unrelenting assault, a friend of mine told me he usually get stuck to walls, which interrupts skill and could stuck him into the wall.

Also, if im correct, getting invisibile ends the assault.

Surge from the mist idk.

And so the UA crusade continues, Hot join champs reunite!

There is counterplay, it is called a power outage.

Honestly it seams that every skill that has a animation longer that 3/4 sec gets a evade (almost no revenant skills had evades in the beta).

You can at least interrupt unrelenting assault as he starts to cast it, but surge from the mist is another story tho. Once i got cc’d by it while in plague form (3 stacks of stability that pulse every 3 sec) so idk. Seams balanced according to most revenant posts on the forum.

Nier.8741:

I’ve seen this guy play, he literally is one of the most low reaction time players in game. I would rank him Bronze tbh.

Yeah Revenant is OP and takes no skill, but so does Signet Reaper? And Condis > Rev since most revs won’t really use Lyssa or range with hammer anyways.

You’re just bad at landing hydromancy procs and signet tbh on Necro considering you’re one of the most “downstate” oriented Necros in the game. Like killing people on Reaper isn’t even hard, you just land your hydromancy procs and eventually the Plague Signet which is easy to land because people are inclined to dodge marks anyways so baiting dodges before you Plague Signet isn’t hard (Doesn’t help that they can’t tell which the chill mark is and which the bleed mark is).

Like Necro has one of the easiest dodge baits in the game AND they have kittened unblockables too, ofc you counter-pressure to survive but more-so positioning.

TL;DR OP is Just another Bronze level Reaper using his mouth instead of his brain.

My team has come first in the AG weekly, and made it to pro league qualifiers, and if you want to get delicate we’ve beat radioactive and apex prime in scrims so let me ask you this: where are your credentials?

Lol there has to be condis on the necro to make plague signet worth using, and we aren’t even talking about condi skills on rev right now, are you high af?

OP, I’m going to teach you something.

How to shut down a Revenant, 1v1 edition.

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)
-Evade
-Hug a wall
-Block/Invuln
-LoS during cast time
-Stealth unless you have a Reveal (and even that is evadeable)
-Minions/Clones—>What damage?

Glint Heal:
-See him going to Glint form? He will use heal soon, if you keep pressuring him
—>Don’t hit heal of stupid

Shiro Heal:
-See him using Shiro heal? Just evade/block/blind through the life steals, and you may effectively nullify a burst AND a heal.

Surge of the Mists:
-Not much of a telegraph, but as soon as you see him going Staff, he will use the skill soon. Strafing around him may make it miss some or all of its attacks. It’s only really strong if multiple attacks connect.
-Stability and side-stepping
—>the rest of the staff skills don’t hit kitten.

Blocks:
Nuke/cc after the cast, or interrupt the block completely with an unblockable cc.

There you go, please use these methods nwxt time you 1v1 a Rev and you should have an easy time.

Revenant is a class that has plenty of weaknesses. Revenant feeds itself on the mistakes of his opponent. Don’t feed the Rev, and you’ll have an easier time.

Ritt.3069:

OP, I’m going to teach you something.

How to shut down a Revenant, 1v1 edition.

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)
-Evade
-Hug a wall
-Block/Invuln
-LoS during cast time
-Stealth unless you have a Reveal (and even that is evadeable)

Glint Heal:
-See him going to Glint form? He will use heal soon, if you keep pressuring him
—>Don’t hit heal of stupid

Shiro Heal:
-See him using Shiro heal? Just evade/block/blind through the life steals, and you may effectively nullify a burst AND a heal.

Surge of the Mists:
-Not much of a telegraph, but as soon as you see him going Staff, he will use the skill soon. Strafing around him may make it miss some or all of its attacks. It’s only really strong if multiple attacks connect.
-Stability and side-stepping
—>the rest of the staff skills don’t hit kitten.

Blocks:
Nuke/cc after the cast, or interrupt the block completely with an unblockable cc.

There you go, please use these methods nwxt time you 1v1 a Rev and you should have an easy time.

Revenant is a class that has plenty of weaknesses. Revenant feeds itself on the mistakes of his opponent. Don’t feed the Rev, and you’ll have an easier time.

And with this guide OP’s team will have a higher chance in the pro league

the best Way to “counter” UA is instant stealth … it just rupts the channeling (even if the revenant is still evading till the end of the duration of the “normal” skill)

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)

Which CC should the Reaper use that is ez to land in the 3/4s cast time?

Cogbyrn.7283:

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)

Which CC should the Reaper use that is ez to land in the 3/4s cast time?

You don’t need to CC the Rev? Reaper is also easy and effective, all you have to do is land the HYDROMANCY PROC (specially during glint where the Rev can’t cleanse the Chill) AFTER you bait out evades (which is already easy) and maybe land Plague Signet while they’re blocking assuming that you have any idea how to bait out cool downs. And if a Revenant burns energy on shiro dodge to cleanse the chills (which they have to because Reaper perma-chill is braindead op) then congrats you made them waste energy and they will have to go glint to refill that energy (Glint gets destroyed by condis).

You CANNOT be complaining about Rev when you are a Reaper, END OF STORY. If you are complaining about Revenant on Reaper then you either have no clue how to rotate OR you literally cannot land hydromancy (hell you even have passive chills, and the mark isn’t hard to land either) or plague signet to save your life.

Also, you don’t need to be 1v1ning Revenants in a team setting, you can get a Druid or Tempest to hold point vs. a Rev and then you GANK/plus that Rev.

Like I know Rev is braindead and effective as a class but so are other classes that isn’t a Thief and a Warrior you know?

Good timed wail of doom.

But why should every class with every specs have always something up to counterplay every other class. You know the rock-paper-scissors principle? Revs suck against condition classes, but wont (or shouldn’t?) lose against marauder thiefs and so on…

But Ritt.3069 is right. Revs are pretty strong, but not op. Every class has its weakness…

OP is totally right rev is completely unbalanced. The amount of damage it puts out vs the amount of sustain it has is absolutely unbelievable. The only down side is the condi removal and it’s 1v1s.. but just don’t put it in 1v1 and stick it with a tempest and watch it obliterate everything and carry every fight.
My team (0 counterplay) went from losing to OP’s team in scrims to being undefeated in scrims (including radioactive, faded, and ez pz) and qualifiers until the 1 map we lost vs dart’s team. we did that literally over night by changing our comp to double revenant.
More and more over the pro league you will see teams switching people off of their mains to revenant until every team has at least one and probably half the teams have 2.

Agreed with OP that revenant is way too strong as is. No other class has so much access to blocks, self sustain, evades, 0 cooldown stun breaks, a 1200 range teleport while also speccing for ridiculous damage. Not to mention that it’s almost impossible to CC a revenant because it gets 2.5 seconds of stab on dodge as a god kitten minor trait. This is a grandmaster worthy trait. I don’t understand how anyone can come in here and say that revenant is balanced.

Nier.8741:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)

Which CC should the Reaper use that is ez to land in the 3/4s cast time?

You don’t need to CC the Rev? Reaper is also easy and effective, all you have to do is land the HYDROMANCY PROC (specially during glint where the Rev can’t cleanse the Chill) AFTER you bait out evades (which is already easy) and maybe land Plague Signet while they’re blocking assuming that you have any idea how to bait out cool downs. And if a Revenant burns energy on shiro dodge to cleanse the chills (which they have to because Reaper perma-chill is braindead op) then congrats you made them waste energy and they will have to go glint to refill that energy (Glint gets destroyed by condis).

You CANNOT be complaining about Rev when you are a Reaper, END OF STORY. If you are complaining about Revenant on Reaper then you either have no clue how to rotate OR you literally cannot land hydromancy (hell you even have passive chills, and the mark isn’t hard to land either) or plague signet to save your life.

Also, you don’t need to be 1v1ning Revenants in a team setting, you can get a Druid or Tempest to hold point vs. a Rev and then you GANK/plus that Rev.

Like I know Rev is braindead and effective as a class but so are other classes that isn’t a Thief and a Warrior you know?

The point was that interrupting a 3/4s cast time isn’t always “ez”. Unless you’re a class with ez interrupts.

But I guess if you want to try to shoehorn Warriors and Thieves into another thread, go for it. We should all be impressed by everyone who plays either of those classes, because they are really slogging through a desperate struggle. Those brave, brave men and women.

I also don’t have a problem with Revs in 1on1 right now. Not in the sense that I always win, because I’m still not very familiar with everything they are doing. But they don’t seem to do anything that is completely outrageous, based on what I could tell. I would need to learn more about the class and fight it more before I actually form an opinion.

Oh look, again with this kitten. The cancer just resurrected.

XxsdgxX.8109:

Oh look, again with this kitten. The cancer just resurrected.

Cancer is only ever in remission, it is never fully cured.

P.S.
Add some condi damage to Rev staff.

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)
-Evade
-Hug a wall
-Block/Invuln
-LoS during cast time
-Stealth unless you have a Reveal (and even that is evadeable)
-Minions/Clones—>What damage?

Many revs have high stability uptime and not every class has (nearly) instant CC. Which makes CC not as “ez” as you claim. Evade only avoids part of the dmg, because ,you know, not every class has 2sec evades on their weaponskills. Invulns have usually long cd. Hugging walls limits your mobility. Stealth isn’t aviable for everyone.

Ritt.3069:

Glint Heal:
-See him going to Glint form? He will use heal soon, if you keep pressuring him
—>Don’t hit heal of stupid

Shiro Heal:
-See him using Shiro heal? Just evade/block/blind through the life steals, and you may effectively nullify a burst AND a heal.

Glint heal is instant and if the rev is not completely stupid he will use it right before you hit him (preferable with high dmg ability) or just tank some fields. It is nearly impossible to never hit into the heal, if the rev knows what he is doing.

To counter Shiro heal you have to avoid every single hit for 15 sec, because the lifesteal doesn’t proc, if the rev doesn’t hit. Not possible in most situations.

Counterplay against rev is limited. Of course it is possible to counterbuild, especially with other elite specialisations. And this isn’t even a rev only issue. More and more it is build > skill.

Nier.8741:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)

Which CC should the Reaper use that is ez to land in the 3/4s cast time?

You don’t need to CC the Rev? Reaper is also easy and effective, all you have to do is land the HYDROMANCY PROC (specially during glint where the Rev can’t cleanse the Chill) AFTER you bait out evades (which is already easy) and maybe land Plague Signet while they’re blocking assuming that you have any idea how to bait out cool downs. And if a Revenant burns energy on shiro dodge to cleanse the chills (which they have to because Reaper perma-chill is braindead op) then congrats you made them waste energy and they will have to go glint to refill that energy (Glint gets destroyed by condis).

You CANNOT be complaining about Rev when you are a Reaper, END OF STORY. If you are complaining about Revenant on Reaper then you either have no clue how to rotate OR you literally cannot land hydromancy (hell you even have passive chills, and the mark isn’t hard to land either) or plague signet to save your life.

Also, you don’t need to be 1v1ning Revenants in a team setting, you can get a Druid or Tempest to hold point vs. a Rev and then you GANK/plus that Rev.

Like I know Rev is braindead and effective as a class but so are other classes that isn’t a Thief and a Warrior you know?

If I was a thief I could complain? You’re logic is stupid. Look here, you don’t know what you’re talking about simply because you think you can land plague signet through the revenants block. In which case why the kitten would I use my plague signet if the revenant doesn’t apply condis to me?

PLEASE STOP REPLYING YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.

I play warrior with shield and i actually like when rev do this since i can just stack might.

On my staff ele i put down earth skill 4 or air skill 5 and dodge behind it. Either way it stops them in there tracks. Im not too sure about other classes so this is how i avoid damage against this rev attack.

Zojoel, king of garbage necros, enlightening the community with his wisdom. And then there is booms on his crusade to nerf revenant based on changing his team comp. Maybe condi reaper and DH need buffs. They’re clearly under-performing compared to revenant.

It’s funny how this thread pops up over and over.
OP: Rev has no counterplay/UA has no counterplay.
People present plenty of counterplay.
OP gets mad and continues to QQ.

What is this like the fifth thread? I’m pretty sure people with brains are fed up with replying to the same garbage over and over at this point.

Also ive never found this skill to be OP since i run MM necro and a clone stacking passive mesmer. Alot of the builds i run dont struggle against revanent. Also in team fights its running threw 3 people so your only receiving 1-2k dmg.

I find DH/scrappers/reapers sustain and dmg output to be a much bigger issue then glass cannons with 1 big skill attack.

Vegito.3048:

Zojoel, king of garbage necros, enlightening the community with his wisdom. And then there is booms on his crusade to nerf revenant based on changing his team comp. Maybe condi reaper and DH need buffs. They’re clearly under-performing compared to revenant.

It’s funny how this thread pops up over and over.
OP: Rev has no counterplay/UA has no counterplay.
People present plenty of counterplay.
OP gets mad and continues to QQ.

What is this like the fifth thread? I’m pretty sure people with brains are fed up with replying to the same garbage over and over at this point.

I love you Rantev but there really is no denying that rev is the strongest class atm. Sure your hammer build might be more balanced but were talking about the op af sw sh St build, man that’s a lot of S’s. It’s not just my team comp either; PZ went from a pretty weak team to arguably the 2nd best team in NA in a couple days after changing comps. They almost never die in team fights and can live 1v3 sometimes for a long time while holding node.. We had ipno troll a point(on marauder) without decap for 30-60 seconds in a 1v3 once vs a decent team.
I don’t know really what needs to be nerfed but they are definitely top class right now. Oh and I don’t even want to nerf them, let us win a few free games until everyone else rerolls.

kdaddy.5431:

Also ive never found this skill to be OP since i run MM necro and a clone stacking passive mesmer. Alot of the builds i run dont struggle against revanent. Also in team fights its running threw 3 people so your only receiving 1-2k dmg.

I find DH/scrappers/reapers sustain and dmg output to be a much bigger issue then glass cannons with 1 big skill attack.

Staff #5 can hit for ~9k…

Vegito.3048:

Zojoel, king of garbage necros, enlightening the community with his wisdom. And then there is booms on his crusade to nerf revenant based on changing his team comp. Maybe condi reaper and DH need buffs. They’re clearly under-performing compared to revenant.

It’s funny how this thread pops up over and over.
OP: Rev has no counterplay/UA has no counterplay.
People present plenty of counterplay.
OP gets mad and continues to QQ.

What is this like the fifth thread? I’m pretty sure people with brains are fed up with replying to the same garbage over and over at this point.

Typical rage and BM from a radioactive member. Whats wrong bud? Warrior is poop so you have to play rev and need to defend its broken mechanic? Lol gtfo.

Oi Cthulhu, I swear if the PvP community was anymore elitist, each person in it would need their own planet to house their ego.

There really is very little counterplay.
“dodge 2 times” . Seriously.. dodge twice? That’s your counterplay? Ok so the Revenant uses hammer, which does like 10000k in and of itself, so you have to use dodges to dodge the hammer’s spammable and super hard-hitting skills, and then all of the sudden boom, you get 2 more dodges to dodge Unrelenting Assault. Kewl. (Or dodging glint skills, which hit hard as well. Or Surge of the Mists, which wrecks you if landed well).

Second: “Interrupt the 3/4 cast time”. Last time I checked, Revenants had quickness. This reduces the cast time to like 1/3 of a second, which is basically instant-cast. Good luck interrupting that.

Third: stealth. pl0x give Necro, Warrior, Ranger (longbow doesn’t count when your target is evading), Elementalist and Guardian stealth. Oh wait… they don’t really have any. Ok…
Unless for Ranger/Guard #TrapperRunes but come on -_-

Block/Evade/invuln with a skill: This is actually a reasonable counterplay, imo because most professions do have some kind of evade/block/invuln. The problem is not all of them do (or not all builds do), and for those that don’t, they’re screwed.

A good counterplay can be going near allies where the damage is spread out. In team fights this skill is not THAT dangerous, but in a 1v1 it’s pretty stupid. Then again, this is not a 1v1 game. /shrug

kdaddy.5431:

Also ive never found this skill to be OP since i run MM necro and a clone stacking passive mesmer. Alot of the builds i run dont struggle against revanent. Also in team fights its running threw 3 people so your only receiving 1-2k dmg.

I find DH/scrappers/reapers sustain and dmg output to be a much bigger issue then glass cannons with 1 big skill attack.

Wouldn’t mm and the clones heald the crap out of the rev?

Kill it before it kills you. Pretty simple.

UA is weak in group fights. If you’re afraid of revs don’t 1v1 them and then L2P.

So many people have learned how to counter rev that I don’t feel it’s even a strong spec anymore. It’s pretty average right now.

Putting aside the fact that a solid strategy against any shiro/glint build is simply condition pressure, what exactly constitutes “counterplay?”

SotM kb can be countered with stab and then moving out of the way of the attack. It’s not unblockable either.

UA has some possibly unintentional counters because of pathing issues but it can also be blocked and/or evaded. I’m actually surprised that stealth screws up the UA channel because a lot of channeled skills will track a target through stealth.

You dont have to counter EVERY SINGLE move they make. Your going to have to facetank some damage. Double dodging unrelenting Assault is a total viable counter and if your so worried about not having a dodge for another attack, then just dodge half of it

Your not supposed to never take a single hit, all you need to do is kill them befor they kill you, sometimes you have to know when your better off just letting them take a chunk of your health out if it will allow you to win in the long run

Kayberz.5346:

You dont have to counter EVERY SINGLE move they make. Your going to have to facetank some damage. Double dodging unrelenting Assault is a total viable counter and if your so worried about not having a dodge for another attack, then just dodge half of it

Your not supposed to never take a single hit, all you need to do is kill them befor they kill you, sometimes you have to know when your better off just letting them take a chunk of your health out if it will allow you to win in the long run

This argument of kill it before it kills you is hilarious really.

2 Blocks that heal, Staff 5 (an evade an a KB) Staff 4 heals, Glint heal which is instant and no counterplay. UA is also an evade that can be used defensively, high boon uptime esp might.

so yes kill it before it kills you.

Skilled revs can 1v2 a point. even 1v3 against bads.

Let’s just admit that revs are overtuned, same as dhs and scrappers.

No issues counterplaying Revs as a Guardian. I manage well enough with my instant cast block and invulnerable skills. Can’t vouche for other classes.

Typically, you know whether or not they use their teleporting shenanigans on you. You should have a strategy to negate that ability, one way or another.

Revs are weak against condi but, that’s not exactly a fix considering condi builds are more difficult to make work in higher tier pvp. Unless you’re Guardian.

Saiyan.1704:

No issues counterplaying Revs as a Guardian. I manage well enough with my instant cast block and invulnerable skills. Can’t vouche for other classes.

Typically, you know whether or not they use their teleporting shenanigans on you. You should have a strategy to negate that ability, one way or another.

Revs are weak against condi but, that’s not exactly a fix considering condi builds are more difficult to make work in higher tier pvp. Unless you’re Guardian.

Why does it matter if some builds are hard to make work in higher tier pvp? If the goal is to counter heralds then condi builds will counter them.

StickerHappy.8052:

Kayberz.5346:

You dont have to counter EVERY SINGLE move they make. Your going to have to facetank some damage. Double dodging unrelenting Assault is a total viable counter and if your so worried about not having a dodge for another attack, then just dodge half of it

Your not supposed to never take a single hit, all you need to do is kill them befor they kill you, sometimes you have to know when your better off just letting them take a chunk of your health out if it will allow you to win in the long run

This argument of kill it before it kills you is hilarious really.

2 Blocks that heal, Staff 5 (an evade an a KB) Staff 4 heals, Glint heal which is instant and no counterplay. UA is also an evade that can be used defensively, high boon uptime esp might.

so yes kill it before it kills you.

Skilled revs can 1v2 a point. even 1v3 against bads.

Let’s just admit that revs are overtuned, same as dhs and scrappers.

So now he has staff as his second weapon. Last time it was hammer. They can’t have 3 weapons.

It’s a new complaint every time.

A rev isn’t going to 1v2 anyone unless they’re a bunker spec. And if you die 2v1 to a bunker spec there isn’t hope for you.

If Infuse Light has no counterplay then neither does Defiant Stance.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Ritt.3069:

Unrelenting Assault:
-CC it during the 3/4s cast time (ez)
-Evade
-Hug a wall
-Block/Invuln
-LoS during cast time
-Stealth unless you have a Reveal (and even that is evadeable)
-Minions/Clones—>What damage?

Many revs have high stability uptime and not every class has (nearly) instant CC. Which makes CC not as “ez” as you claim. Evade only avoids part of the dmg, because ,you know, not every class has 2sec evades on their weaponskills. Invulns have usually long cd. Hugging walls limits your mobility. Stealth isn’t aviable for everyone.

Ritt.3069:

Glint Heal:
-See him going to Glint form? He will use heal soon, if you keep pressuring him
—>Don’t hit heal of stupid

Shiro Heal:
-See him using Shiro heal? Just evade/block/blind through the life steals, and you may effectively nullify a burst AND a heal.

Glint heal is instant and if the rev is not completely stupid he will use it right before you hit him (preferable with high dmg ability) or just tank some fields. It is nearly impossible to never hit into the heal, if the rev knows what he is doing.

To counter Shiro heal you have to avoid every single hit for 15 sec, because the lifesteal doesn’t proc, if the rev doesn’t hit. Not possible in most situations.

Counterplay against rev is limited. Of course it is possible to counterbuild, especially with other elite specialisations. And this isn’t even a rev only issue. More and more it is build > skill.

What? Are you on crack? High stability uptime? The only stability you get on shiro glint is 1 stack of stab on dodge. And that lasts like what, a second? I wouldnt even bother addressing your other points since they dont even make sense in a 5v5.

If the rev knows what he’s doing he will pop glint heal before you hit him with high damage? Are revs psychics now? They can read your mind? If he successfully does that, it means you got read like a book and outplayed. Nothing to do with glint heal being op.

Shiro heal is pathetic, i wont even bother talking about it. Lmao i dont even main revenant and its extremely easy to counter for me.

Have you tried applying slow and/or weakness to a Herald? If not, you should try it.

Jelzouki.4128:

Nier.8741:

I’ve seen this guy play, he literally is one of the most low reaction time players in game. I would rank him Bronze tbh.

Yeah Revenant is OP and takes no skill, but so does Signet Reaper? And Condis > Rev since most revs won’t really use Lyssa or range with hammer anyways.

You’re just bad at landing hydromancy procs and signet tbh on Necro considering you’re one of the most “downstate” oriented Necros in the game. Like killing people on Reaper isn’t even hard, you just land your hydromancy procs and eventually the Plague Signet which is easy to land because people are inclined to dodge marks anyways so baiting dodges before you Plague Signet isn’t hard (Doesn’t help that they can’t tell which the chill mark is and which the bleed mark is).

Like Necro has one of the easiest dodge baits in the game AND they have kittened unblockables too, ofc you counter-pressure to survive but more-so positioning.

TL;DR OP is Just another Bronze level Reaper using his mouth instead of his brain.

My team has come first in the AG weekly, and made it to pro league qualifiers, and if you want to get delicate we’ve beat radioactive and apex prime in scrims so let me ask you this: where are your credentials?

Even pros have bad days.

If you are all that and a bag of chips you are well aware of the counter-play to those abilities and the class as a whole. Don’t make a scrub whine post and then get indignant if people see you as a scrub.

I don’t play Revenant nor is it a regular in the mediocre teams I run with.

Schurge.5194:

Jelzouki.4128:

Nier.8741:

I’ve seen this guy play, he literally is one of the most low reaction time players in game. I would rank him Bronze tbh.

Yeah Revenant is OP and takes no skill, but so does Signet Reaper? And Condis > Rev since most revs won’t really use Lyssa or range with hammer anyways.

You’re just bad at landing hydromancy procs and signet tbh on Necro considering you’re one of the most “downstate” oriented Necros in the game. Like killing people on Reaper isn’t even hard, you just land your hydromancy procs and eventually the Plague Signet which is easy to land because people are inclined to dodge marks anyways so baiting dodges before you Plague Signet isn’t hard (Doesn’t help that they can’t tell which the chill mark is and which the bleed mark is).

Like Necro has one of the easiest dodge baits in the game AND they have kittened unblockables too, ofc you counter-pressure to survive but more-so positioning.

TL;DR OP is Just another Bronze level Reaper using his mouth instead of his brain.

My team has come first in the AG weekly, and made it to pro league qualifiers, and if you want to get delicate we’ve beat radioactive and apex prime in scrims so let me ask you this: where are your credentials?

Even pros have bad days.

If you are all that and a bag of chips you are well aware of the counter-play to those abilities and the class as a whole. Don’t make a scrub whine post and then get indignant if people see you as a scrub.

I don’t play Revenant nor is it a regular in the mediocre teams I run with.

One think ive noticed about NA ‘pros’ is that, apart from the abjured, all of them are mechanically lacking. Their only saving grace are rotational abilities acquired from playing frequently as a team.

Jelzouki.4128:

Unrelenting assault and surge from the mist, namely.

Unrelenting assault will hit you like a truck, is an evade, teleports you to the player, and is God kitten nearly impossible to get away from. Where the kittening kitten is the counterplay to this kitten?

Surge from the mist will hit you like a truck, knocks you back repeatedly, and is an evade. Do you guys just give out evades now without putting any thought into it? Balance this kittening class so its not broken anymore God kitten it.

There is plenty of counter play to unrelenting assault. I have both witnessed it and fought against it. And to correct you, it doesn’t knock you back.

- Use evade the moment the first hit triggers.
- Throw up block the moment the first hit triggers.
- If a rev is holding a sword keep your eye out on his animation.
- You can also CC them, just keep an eye our for the rev animation
- UA has a range of 450, so keep your distance. While Frigid Blitz &/or Phase Traversal will shadowstep himself to you. Use a knockback.

Unrelenting assault has a 12 second cool downtime to top it off. To achieve maximum damage the rev needs to reach every hit.

Unless you play the class you won’t understand how to defend against it. I’d start there first. Unrelenting Assault is fine.

Jelzouki.4128:

Typical rage and BM from a radioactive member. Whats wrong bud? Warrior is poop so you have to play rev and need to defend its broken mechanic? Lol gtfo.

You’re whining for nerfs and you’re playing Reaper. If you need an easier game to play I hear hello kitty online is available.

My beef with you aside, surge of the mists is broken. Hundred blades worth of damage in like a 1 sec cast is stupid. They did nerf it already though so we’ll see.

Morwath.9817:

kdaddy.5431:

Also ive never found this skill to be OP since i run MM necro and a clone stacking passive mesmer. Alot of the builds i run dont struggle against revanent. Also in team fights its running threw 3 people so your only receiving 1-2k dmg.

I find DH/scrappers/reapers sustain and dmg output to be a much bigger issue then glass cannons with 1 big skill attack.

Staff #5 can hit for ~9k…

so can hammer 2, which means we know the skills that we need to avoid. The thing about skill full game play is knowing which attacks to avoid and which ones to eat. Another thing is timing your dodges.

Like i posted i actually like facing revs 1 vs 1 on my staff ele and my old school mace/shield- Greatsword warrior. Rev skills to me are kind of like warrior skills, you can see them coming and the only question is whether you played it right.

NeXeD.3042:

kdaddy.5431:

Also ive never found this skill to be OP since i run MM necro and a clone stacking passive mesmer. Alot of the builds i run dont struggle against revanent. Also in team fights its running threw 3 people so your only receiving 1-2k dmg.

I find DH/scrappers/reapers sustain and dmg output to be a much bigger issue then glass cannons with 1 big skill attack.

Wouldn’t mm and the clones heald the crap out of the rev?

Im actually not very good on mesmer and so my fights with revs tend to drag out because ive gone bunker condi on my mesmer. I usually lose on my mesmer too but on my necro the fight tends to be quick. I run 3 minions with 2 shouts and sentinals amulet and im yet to see a revanent i couldnt beat 1 vs 1.

Also for me personally revanents are put into solo roles which is not a good place. They are either support with the tablet or demon stance. Or there pure dps where as DH/Scrappers/Reapers/druids can do everything by playing cele amulet and boon stacking or by simply mixing and matching traits and rune like people are running rune of the soilder with marauder amulet on DH. Or running boon shares with pet, cele amulet with rune of the druid.

These classes seem to have endless options on build setups that can be viable and all be a little different yet revanents have to be what they are going to be. Revs are designated support and the idea that they are op in any way is unrealistic.

Sorry i might have rambled on your simple question.

Reaper with marauder amulet can dish up serious condi dmg , i can put up to 200 ticks of bleeding 200poison and up to 500 chill dmg +fear,warhorn will cc that revanant for sure since it will pass that 1-2 stcks of stability he has.

If you hit thim while he has that buble on him i really wonder how your team got where it is(i dont play"pro" but this is just comon seanse even in spvp)

Read revenant forum page or even better play it and then come back asking for nerfs.
Any kind of cc preasure will destory revenant

It is not that all skills are instant,most have cast time +energy cost
Only in herald is revenat able to spam skills ,the very moment he swaps to anything else its pain .
Even when he is blocking – marks are unblockable and reaper 4-5 will put so much condi on revenant he will never get out of it.
Staff #5 is dodgable or side -step unlees it is don right after shadow step in shiro

Mesmer> revenat
Engi>revenant
Reaper> revenat
Dh if traps are set up before and can insta replace them followed with Lb5>revenat
(other wise i beat DH if he has no traps prepared and off cd with rev. casue i will use those traps to heal with those skills you mentioned)

Good thief> rev(slow daze)
Good wr>rev(longer cc than rev on much lower cast time will do the job)
Only one that i really have no problem or have most success fighting with revenant are Druids.( Pew pew rangers are serious nuisance if the know wht they are doing)

I have also seen posts DH,Chrono,Reaper,Scraper is op that means that half of the classes are about just as balanced as they should be,its just ppl not knowing how to fight em.

Only thing i can say its OP 100%, is DH LB#5 with that stupid barrier i can only cry myself to death if i get cought in it.,now there is i skill i have not found counter play for,(unless u have stability rdy and of cd )

This is stupid, he cannot complain because he plays one of the classes that counter rev? So someone that plays all 9 classes has no valid opinion at all? if you want to argue about bias, then i am sorry to say but pretty much everyone is biased but nonetheless people can have a point and rev sword 3 is lacking in the counterplay department while doing too much for a skill with little counterplay.
A possible solution would be to speed up the casttime or redistribute its damage so that the damage/hit increases from beginning to the end, so that a higher portion of the damage can be avoided with a single dodge.
Sword autoattack is also too strong in terms of numbers but that is a different issue.

deda.8302:

Reaper with marauder amulet can dish up serious condi dmg , i can put up to 200 ticks of bleeding 200poison and up to 500 chill dmg +fear,warhorn will cc that revanant for sure since it will pass that 1-2 stcks of stability he has.

If you hit thim while he has that buble on him i really wonder how your team got where it is(i dont play"pro" but this is just comon seanse even in spvp)

Read revenant forum page or even better play it and then come back asking for nerfs.
Any kind of cc preasure will destory revenant

It is not that all skills are instant,most have cast time +energy cost
Only in herald is revenat able to spam skills ,the very moment he swaps to anything else its pain .
Even when he is blocking – marks are unblockable and reaper 4-5 will put so much condi on revenant he will never get out of it.
Staff #5 is dodgable or side -step unlees it is don right after shadow step in shiro

Mesmer> revenat
Engi>revenant
Reaper> revenat
Dh if traps are set up before and can insta replace them followed with Lb5>revenat
(other wise i beat DH if he has no traps prepared and off cd with rev. casue i will use those traps to heal with those skills you mentioned)

Good thief> afk/badrev(slow daze)
Good wr>rev(longer cc than rev on much lower cast time will do the job)
Only one that i really have no problem or have most success fighting with revenant are Druids.( Pew pew rangers are serious nuisance if the know wht they are doing)

I have also seen posts DH,Chrono,Reaper,Scraper is op that means that half of the classes are about just as balanced as they should be,its just ppl not knowing how to fight em.

Only thing i can say its OP 100%, is DH LB#5 with that stupid barrier i can only cry myself to death if i get cought in it.,now there is i skill i have not found counter play for,(unless u have stability rdy and of cd )

Fixed

Back to topic, you ask why? I will tell you why!
It’s because Revs aren’t Rangers.

Morwath.9817:

Back to topic, you ask why? I will tell you why!
It’s because Revs aren’t Rangers.

That’s fine.

But there needs to be a way to avoid the attack. The suggestions saying to double dodge, hug a wall or interrupt the 3/4s cast time is so unrealistic. Anyways if you’re a revenant you’re using UA from ranged so interrupting it is unlikely.