Guild Wars 2

They got me when they said that they wanted GW2 to be the first MMO eSport, and a month after the release there is not even a split q for teams and pugs (it’s not fun to win 500 to 30 against pugs).

Dota2 got rankeds and tournaments (real tournaments), before the game was even released, and the game is f2p…

Yes yes, they are two different games, i know, it’s easier to do that for a MOBA, but they should’ve released GW2 with at least a split q for pugs and teams, the spectator mode, private servers and a ranked q.

Don’t be stupid, they told you that there is no rankedq cuz the game is not balanced yet, wich is a LIE, it doesn’t matter if the game is balanced or not, the reason we want the ranked q is so that we can play with teams of similar skill, the ratings can get a reset once they are ready to release the balance, it’s not like we want rewards for ratings, it’s only a thing that help us having fair games.

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvW and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

Arcane.4950

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvE and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

Obviously PvP and PvE content is worked on by different groups within Arenanet. So that MOBAs have no PvE is kinda irrelevant here…

They said they were planning spectator AGES ago, and now we know we’re getting ranked stuff.

I think ranking should’ve been in at launch, but what’re you going to do? Turn back time?

chill out and wait they will have it ready. Would you rather they not release the game until all esport features were in? That would not only be dumb but make no difference in the end anyway.

and Dota 2 is garbage.

Why on earth would they lie? You fail to deliver a reason (or apply common sense).

If we had ranked already, the kittening would go through the roof. It’s perfectly legit to watch the meta for a while first and handle the most glaring issues.

On the other hand, they shouldn’t repeat swtor’s mistake and think that players will be satisfied with the levelling experience and concentrate only on that for months. If it takes more than another few weeks, many PvPers will already go back to WoW/LoL/DotA/Whathaveyou, simply because they have competition (and numbers to chase) there.

Arcane.4950:

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvW and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

arenanet had about what 5 years more to code all that than the development of dota2?

everyone talkes about how complicated yadayada time consuming blabla but that is simply not the case when you have a game in development for nearly a decade

most of the features aside from spectator mode are incredibly easy to implement up to a point where it is actually not a matter of time rather than willingness

Nyota.7062:

Why on earth would they lie? You fail to deliver a reason (or apply common sense).

If we had ranked already, the kittening would go through the roof. It’s perfectly legit to watch the meta for a while first and handle the most glaring issues.

Why would they lie? Isn’t that blatantly obvious? They promised features which in return made them sell more copies that are simply not there. Not even close to being here most probably.

The reason that “we want to let the meta develop” is most probably a lie because the argument itself is so insanely stupid that no one would think it can even be meant seriously.
Fact is that there simply is no meta game to be developed without ranked games or private games. How do you think Jeadong would train for SC1 when all he was possible to fight were randoms, he wouldn’t. He would be facing people so insanely far below his skill level that his gameplay would actually deteriorate and stagnate as opposed to improve which is the exact same thing that happens now.

Because your team is facing pugs/noobs the majority of the time it’s virtually impossible to determine the effectiveness of builts and gameplay gets generally sloppy. You don’t need to call incoming / deaths / downs etc. when you win 500-50 anyway so you eventually just stop doing it. Then you face a decent group and suddenly you loose to them for the first time because everyone is just in a brain afk state.

Pray.9751:

Arcane.4950:

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvW and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

arenanet had about what 5 years more to code all that than the development of dota2?

everyone talkes about how complicated yadayada time consuming blabla but that is simply not the case when you have a game in development for nearly a decade

most of the features aside from spectator mode are incredibly easy to implement up to a point where it is actually not a matter of time rather than willingness

And this comes from your extensive experience with the GW2 code base I assume?…….

STOP comparing gw2 to a f2p moba like dota

Anet does not have the luxury of over a year open beta to balance players skill vs the actual champs.

They also dont have the luxury of a gamestyle that basically is a copy/paste of a game released over 5years ago.

If you have any idea you would know that although the classes are very balanced they have to go to rebalancing just to appease players who have no idea how to use them or counter against others.

People qq about the most idiotic stuff that can be learned to counter against. Anet cannot start esports until players figure out how to play the game they made on an esport level.

They arent copy pasting dota 1 into dota 2 and calling it a day. This whole thread doesnt make any sense at all.

In my oppinion, GW2 does not have what needed to be esport. Why? Simple really. I let me brother (who never played GW2) to watch one of my PvP game and this is what he said; “I really have no idea what is going on.”.

So I frapsed WoW arena game. “Bunch of people running around pillars, but I cant tell who is who and what are they doing to win”.

So lastly I frapsed Starcraft 2 game and he enjoyed it. It was easy to see units, it was clear not confusing and he said that it reminded of some Aliens movie battle as it was Zerg vs Terran.

Overall, he enjoyed watching SC2 quite a lot because it was simple to understand. While in gamemodes like WoW Arena or GW2 sPvP, its confusing and I got feeling that I was forcing him to watch something he didnt like. Sure it might not be confusing to people who play actual game but what makes great esport game is that you can watch it and never even play the game and still understand and enjoy it. GW2 does not have it.

I watch Erho stream quite often and I see him shooting with his pistol or rifle, jumping around but thats about it. From casual viewer you cant see what is truly happening on scene. I dont see him dodging blind or shooting critical skill that in my eyes is just another bullet. Sometimes he commentate his gameplay and tells what he does and why, but even then I hear it as “I dodged his mixmashwashwoo ability and applied woopiedoopie doo ability” because casual viewers have no idea what those abilities are. As much as I love this game and I wish it becomes good esport, in current state I wouldnt watch it even if they pay me. Its simple, make it more clear and tip to devs. Invite few people who never played GW2 and ask them to watch sPvP. If you tweak game that those people would definatelly watch it again, you got your esport. If they get this bitter taste of confusion then forget about esport.

Pray.9751:

Arcane.4950:

Because MOBA’s have no PvE or WvW and additional features take TIME TO CODE.

Stop crying and just wait, its coming.

arenanet had about what 5 years more to code all that than the development of dota2?

everyone talkes about how complicated yadayada time consuming blabla but that is simply not the case when you have a game in development for nearly a decade

most of the features aside from spectator mode are incredibly easy to implement up to a point where it is actually not a matter of time rather than willingness

I don’t think you have near an idea on how long this stuff takes.

VictorTroska.3725:

In my oppinion, GW2 does not have what needed to be esport. Why? Simple really. I let me brother (who never played GW2) to watch one of my PvP game and this is what he said; “I really have no idea what is going on.”.

So I frapsed WoW arena game. “Bunch of people running around pillars, but I cant tell who is who and what are they doing to win”.

So lastly I frapsed Starcraft 2 game and he enjoyed it. It was easy to see units, it was clear not confusing and he said that it reminded of some Aliens movie battle as it was Zerg vs Terran.

Overall, he enjoyed watching SC2 quite a lot because it was simple to understand. While in gamemodes like WoW Arena or GW2 sPvP, its confusing and I got feeling that I was forcing him to watch something he didnt like. Sure it might not be confusing to people who play actual game but what makes great esport game is that you can watch it and never even play the game and still understand and enjoy it. GW2 does not have it.

I watch Erho stream quite often and I see him shooting with his pistol or rifle, jumping around but thats about it. From casual viewer you cant see what is truly happening on scene. I dont see him dodging blind or shooting critical skill that in my eyes is just another bullet. Sometimes he commentate his gameplay and tells what he does and why, but even then I hear it as “I dodged his mixmashwashwoo ability and applied woopiedoopie doo ability” because casual viewers have no idea what those abilities are. As much as I love this game and I wish it becomes good esport, in current state I wouldnt watch it even if they pay me. Its simple, make it more clear and tip to devs. Invite few people who never played GW2 and ask them to watch sPvP. If you tweak game that those people would definatelly watch it again, you got your esport. If they get this bitter taste of confusion then forget about esport.

what’s so simple about watching SC2 , i’ll give u few example , how would ur brother understand terran ghost using EMP on protoss army , or protoss storming the hell out of MMM Terran Army , ur logic is flawed my friend , either way if im going to watch gw2 or wow arena or sc2 or redalert3 , i need to have prior knowledge of the game to understand what’s really going on ? luckily i play all of them and i tell u this gw2 has a great potential of becoming an esport i haven’t spent that much hours doing pvp at high level since sc2 and red3 days , i find gw2 pvp at high level of play to be sokittenfun and good and the combat is extremely deep thus making it player brain vs player brain

despite the balance issues here and there , gw2 has potential

Yes, they lied, they can’t be that dumb to think that a meta can be developed by playing against pugs.

They will not release rankeds till a meta is developed, and a meta can’t be developed without rankeds.