Guild Wars 2

StickerHappy.8052:

fishball.7204:

I’ve lost so many games with Marvin on my team either because I sucked or somebody else sucked lol. Pro league don’t get free wins dude, I’ve beaten some PZ guys when they solo and hell they’re far better than me at PvP.

You know how people complain some games are literally unwinnable and teams are literally uncarryable? Well yeah guess what it happens even to pro league guys time to time.

Thank you! See. someone like you understands. ESL players on either team do not guarantee wins. It is so stupid how people think this and say MM is rigged. CMON GW2 Forums!!!

@ Ross Biddle

Man, It’s useless explaining this to people. I had no idea that the forums are this “bad”

I just link them to sirlin.net – introducing the scrub is a particular favorite :D

StickerHappy.8052:

Yasha.5963:

StickerHappy.8052:

Drussthelegend.2630:

That’s faulty matchmaking if Zoose is being put into matches where he can win a pure 2v1 fight. I don’t count a fight where the second guy rolls in as the first guy is basically dead a real 2v1.

What??? Zoose does this all the time. What are you even talking bout? So are you saying noone should win a 2v1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZinp7EET0

Supcutie on a 3v1.

Seriously the forums are terribad.

PS: This is also a tourney, so please do not refute it with “Maybe he is facing baddies”

GG.

In a game where all gear/levels are equalized and you have to stomp to finish someone, winning a 3vs1 means either 1) there is a vast class imbalance, 2) the players on the losing three side suck balls, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.

This is not WoW/ Rift/ ESO where a player can 1v3 or more due to gear. If you send 3 players to take a point and those three players lose that is an embarrassment. Saying they don’t suck because they are in a tourney or have some “name” is ludicrous.

So saying they suck because they got outplayed is right? lol. This is only 1 play. Saying they suck just because of this 1 play is ludicrous as well.

Are you kittening joking? Three good players will never lose to one player – unless the game’s balance is out of wack. Please don’t show us this scrub play and claim its an example of how a good player can carry a team.

Indeed, that is prime example that no matter how good you are if you have three deadweights on ur team the match is a lost cause.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Yasha.5963:

StickerHappy.8052:

Drussthelegend.2630:

That’s faulty matchmaking if Zoose is being put into matches where he can win a pure 2v1 fight. I don’t count a fight where the second guy rolls in as the first guy is basically dead a real 2v1.

What??? Zoose does this all the time. What are you even talking bout? So are you saying noone should win a 2v1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZinp7EET0

Supcutie on a 3v1.

Seriously the forums are terribad.

PS: This is also a tourney, so please do not refute it with “Maybe he is facing baddies”

GG.

In a game where all gear/levels are equalized and you have to stomp to finish someone, winning a 3vs1 means either 1) there is a vast class imbalance, 2) the players on the losing three side suck balls, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.

This is not WoW/ Rift/ ESO where a player can 1v3 or more due to gear. If you send 3 players to take a point and those three players lose that is an embarrassment. Saying they don’t suck because they are in a tourney or have some “name” is ludicrous.

If you want to decide what “winning” a 1v2 or more is you need to define success. In conquest there are multiple definitions of varying importance.

Any player who can 1v2 on point and hold a cap = success
Any player who can 1v2 on point and hold it FROM capping = success
Any player who can 1v2 at a point, keeping the fight outnumbered elsewhere = success

These are all relevant definitions of “winning” a 1v2 – assuming you don’t go down and maintain some edge that benefits the overall match.

Totally agree, and totally irrelevant to my post.

Yasha.5963:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Yasha.5963:

StickerHappy.8052:

Drussthelegend.2630:

That’s faulty matchmaking if Zoose is being put into matches where he can win a pure 2v1 fight. I don’t count a fight where the second guy rolls in as the first guy is basically dead a real 2v1.

What??? Zoose does this all the time. What are you even talking bout? So are you saying noone should win a 2v1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZinp7EET0

Supcutie on a 3v1.

Seriously the forums are terribad.

PS: This is also a tourney, so please do not refute it with “Maybe he is facing baddies”

GG.

In a game where all gear/levels are equalized and you have to stomp to finish someone, winning a 3vs1 means either 1) there is a vast class imbalance, 2) the players on the losing three side suck balls, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.

This is not WoW/ Rift/ ESO where a player can 1v3 or more due to gear. If you send 3 players to take a point and those three players lose that is an embarrassment. Saying they don’t suck because they are in a tourney or have some “name” is ludicrous.

If you want to decide what “winning” a 1v2 or more is you need to define success. In conquest there are multiple definitions of varying importance.

Any player who can 1v2 on point and hold a cap = success
Any player who can 1v2 on point and hold it FROM capping = success
Any player who can 1v2 at a point, keeping the fight outnumbered elsewhere = success

These are all relevant definitions of “winning” a 1v2 – assuming you don’t go down and maintain some edge that benefits the overall match.

Totally agree, and totally irrelevant to my post.

XD I didnt bother reading most of your post tbh. Im not even sure I clicked the right quote button.

Glad im right though! :D

Yasha.5963:

StickerHappy.8052:

Yasha.5963:

StickerHappy.8052:

Drussthelegend.2630:

That’s faulty matchmaking if Zoose is being put into matches where he can win a pure 2v1 fight. I don’t count a fight where the second guy rolls in as the first guy is basically dead a real 2v1.

What??? Zoose does this all the time. What are you even talking bout? So are you saying noone should win a 2v1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZinp7EET0

Supcutie on a 3v1.

Seriously the forums are terribad.

PS: This is also a tourney, so please do not refute it with “Maybe he is facing baddies”

GG.

In a game where all gear/levels are equalized and you have to stomp to finish someone, winning a 3vs1 means either 1) there is a vast class imbalance, 2) the players on the losing three side suck balls, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.

This is not WoW/ Rift/ ESO where a player can 1v3 or more due to gear. If you send 3 players to take a point and those three players lose that is an embarrassment. Saying they don’t suck because they are in a tourney or have some “name” is ludicrous.

So saying they suck because they got outplayed is right? lol. This is only 1 play. Saying they suck just because of this 1 play is ludicrous as well.

Are you kittening joking? Three good players will never lose to one player – unless the game’s balance is out of wack. Please don’t show us this scrub play and claim its an example of how a good player can carry a team.

Indeed, that is prime example that no matter how good you are if you have three deadweights on ur team the match is a lost cause.

Which player was supposed to carry the losing team? Why couldn´t he carry his team?

fishball.7204:

I’ve lost so many games with Marvin on my team either because I sucked or somebody else sucked lol. Pro league don’t get free wins dude, I’ve beaten some PZ guys when they solo and hell they’re far better than me at PvP.

You know how people complain some games are literally unwinnable and teams are literally uncarryable? Well yeah guess what it happens even to pro league guys time to time.

Yeah, from time to time. It’s just they are far less likely to be placed in that situation, because the game is far less likely to put them on the losing side.

Astralporing.1957:

fishball.7204:

I’ve lost so many games with Marvin on my team either because I sucked or somebody else sucked lol. Pro league don’t get free wins dude, I’ve beaten some PZ guys when they solo and hell they’re far better than me at PvP.

You know how people complain some games are literally unwinnable and teams are literally uncarryable? Well yeah guess what it happens even to pro league guys time to time.

Yeah, from time to time. It’s just they are far less likely to be placed in that situation, because the game is far less likely to put them on the losing side.

I disagree with this, if you are able to win 95% of your 1 vs 1 in every match on any point and then you have the ability to 1 vs 2 for long periods of time. You create the chance for your team mates to make plays in taking points.

Dirame.8521:

If the team is average, 1 good player making the right choice at the right time could change everything. If your teammates are poor then your choices just won’t matter.

I watched the match where Zoose was playing and I believe he almost died and almost lost the cap but the person that came to help him made up for it.

So this is exactly how it happened from my point of view.

We had a 3 vs 4 at mid and were sustaining it pretty well. Our necro engage Zoose and our home. On ts my guild team mate asked me where to go. I said home since the necro would probably lose the 1 vs 1.

We had the mid capped so we are defending that point and i was hoping that they could kill him and come to mid. The necro was around 50% left and zoose was almost 100%. He killed the necro in the 1 vs 2 and he had about 10% life left and we had lost the mid fight and he got the helpt to kill my guild team mate.

Zoose was not decapped and he did not run from the point. This was the moment in the game because had they won the home fight they would of ran in mid and held that point and we would of won. Instead they got a 3 cap.

People make it sound like its all MM, yet there is no way to judge a persons ability in these situations. Ive seen alot of people be great in 1 vs 1 who are horrid in team fights. Then others who seem to survive well in team fights yet are terrible at running away and 1 vs 1. So MM might see 3 players as 7 on there board. Yet they are all team fighters so then they run into a team who has 2 great 1 vs 1 players and 3 team fighters and all of a sudden the match turns into a lopsided match.

Like i said, its hard seeing alot of these threads because there are many high level players who seem to be able to do everything and the many who come to these forums think that them winning some 1 vs 1 is the same as winning 1 vs 2.

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to share this because so many people talk about this game being no skill, its all premade ts, build comp, match making etc etc etc. Here you had a ESL player solo queing in Diamond and he just took over by winning a fight that 98% of the players in this game cant.

Zoose is a great player. So what?

Is the moral of the story that if Zoose can do it anyone can?

kdaddy.5431:

Astralporing.1957:

fishball.7204:

I’ve lost so many games with Marvin on my team either because I sucked or somebody else sucked lol. Pro league don’t get free wins dude, I’ve beaten some PZ guys when they solo and hell they’re far better than me at PvP.

You know how people complain some games are literally unwinnable and teams are literally uncarryable? Well yeah guess what it happens even to pro league guys time to time.

Yeah, from time to time. It’s just they are far less likely to be placed in that situation, because the game is far less likely to put them on the losing side.

I disagree with this, if you are able to win 95% of your 1 vs 1 in every match on any point and then you have the ability to 1 vs 2 for long periods of time. You create the chance for your team mates to make plays in taking points.

Sure, but it works only when your teammates aren’t much worse than your opponents. So, it works if you are the only imbalance point in that match.

Problem is, the match is imbalanced by design. One side is expected to be better than other (as in, every single player on that side is supposed to be better than all players on the opposing side). This sometimes of course fails (as computers aren’t perfect when assessing skill).

So, you can end up on the winning side, in which case your advantage is wasted, and all the difference you will make is to make the win bigger. Or, you can end up on the loser’s side. You can safely 1v2, and keep a point. In the meanwhile, all 4 of your teammates are losing all 1v1’s, and can’t even win 4v3. Because, remember, all the opposing players are better than they are. Sometimes the difference will be so small you will manage to somehow turn a close loss int a victory, but most of the time you will just make sure your team did not get completely rolled over.

It still doesn’t change the fact, that such a player is really unlikely to be placed in such situation. Because most of the time they will be on the designated winners’ team, making the preordained win bigger than it would have been without their help.

So yeah, a really good player can sometimes turn the tides of a match. Current matchmaking however works very hard to make sure situations which would allow that happen as seldom as possible.

Israel.7056:

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to share this because so many people talk about this game being no skill, its all premade ts, build comp, match making etc etc etc. Here you had a ESL player solo queing in Diamond and he just took over by winning a fight that 98% of the players in this game cant.

Zoose is a great player. So what?

Is the moral of the story that if Zoose can do it anyone can?

Apparently, yes. And, that if it happened once, it’s something you should expect every match.

Astralporing.1957:

shion.2084:

Well if you have one of the 5 very lowest MMR in the game of people currently online, you will always be matched against better opponents

But if you are not in the bottom 5 of your pip range of eligible players, there is a 50% chance you will be the underdog only. Because its 50% odds that your matched against 5 folks just better in ranking then you and 50% against the 5 folks whom are just below you.

It’s 50% only if the number of people above and below you is equal. If there are 15 people in your pip range in queue, and you’re the 6th, then the chance of you getting put on a winning team is significantly bigger than 50%.

Also, it’s not the 5 lowest MMR players. It’s the 5 lowest MMR players, at your pip range, that are in queue at the moment. And that pool, looking at the queue times, and how often you’re going to see familiar faces when playing, is not that big at all.

I used the term “eligible” to not have to restate all the criteria, but I did mean in your pip range, currently waiting for a match etc. Essentially eligible to be matched by the algorithm at that very time.

Now if your are 6th I’d still say its 50/50. The algorithm must choose one group of 5 to enter into a match, of the eligible players.

There are only 3 ways, based on the first choice of 5 that you will be in the group,

If it picks the top 5 players to find a match for, you will be chosen and the underdog.
If it picks the group of players 11 – 15 you may be chosen, or the team 16 – 20.
If it picks you as the first team to match, either the team above you or the team below you will be chosen.

So actually I’d argue that given the above it looks more likely that you’d have a slightly higher chance of being fodder for the best team, since they can’t possibly be paired against anyone better then themselves and will always draw you…. if you get what I’m saying.

i guess most people here use the mod interface and chose whoever they see fit. you can sense it when the accept option pops up and premades decline after they checked. also, the random map selector may pick a map in their favor, then the indicator doesnt show, the selector just stops and picks their map. there are hacks for other games which do basically the same.

this isnt a discussion about mm, its about some hypocrite teenies making excuses.

I feel like this is the Elite Dangerous forums all over again. These white knight zealous fanboys that tries to shoot down the posts of players describing a actual problems with the integrity of the ranked side of Elite as if it’s the victims fault. about 4 months later every single one of those players was hosting forum admin. badges next to their steam names. It seems like that to be the case here as well, and more then likely is.

Needless to say after the smoke clear from that that game got dropped down from very positive reviews down to mixed reviews with most being negitive. But this was after that game’s Team suckers more people to buy their crap tier’ed game. GW2 will more then likely follow the same road. All the while ANet’s like screw it lets just milk this cash cow till it’s dried and dead.

It would have been incredible , if you said he played a Mesmer or a Druide.
Playing Scrapper is bullkitten.
I never played Engi/ Scrapper my whole life.
I made 1, went to PVP, won 3 games in a row in Legendary and i went back to my mesmer.
People were running, Scrapper is by far too powerfull, it requires NO SKILL to win a fight.

shion.2084:

Now if your are 6th I’d still say its 50/50. The algorithm must choose one group of 5 to enter into a match, of the eligible players.

There are only 3 ways, based on the first choice of 5 that you will be in the group,

If it picks the top 5 players to find a match for, you will be chosen and the underdog.
If it picks the group of players 11 – 15 you may be chosen, or the team 16 – 20.
If it picks you as the first team to match, either the team above you or the team below you will be chosen.

Actually, no. You assume, that of the 15 people 1-5, 6-10, 11-15 ranges will always form groups and no other grouping is possible. The matchmaker however is as likely to pick any 10 players out of that group. And if you look at all the possible picks, you’d see that 6th player would be in top 5 of those picks most of the time.

Astralporing.1957:

shion.2084:

Now if your are 6th I’d still say its 50/50. The algorithm must choose one group of 5 to enter into a match, of the eligible players.

There are only 3 ways, based on the first choice of 5 that you will be in the group,

If it picks the top 5 players to find a match for, you will be chosen and the underdog.
If it picks the group of players 11 – 15 you may be chosen, or the team 16 – 20.
If it picks you as the first team to match, either the team above you or the team below you will be chosen.

Actually, no. You assume, that of the 15 people 1-5, 6-10, 11-15 ranges will always form groups and no other grouping is possible. The matchmaker however is as likely to pick any 10 players out of that group. And if you look at all the possible picks, you’d see that 6th player would be in top 5 of those picks most of the time.

I did simplify this example, but do you see the main point I’m making and how it differs from yours? I picked six for an example, but perhaps pick 13 then out of 100 in the pool. My point is that most folks will fall in the midle and get roughly 50 50 matches, not be likely to have advantageous ones, even if their in the top half of the elligible MMRs.

Now to exactly address your point, your arguing that in my example where you have equally elligible players, it could purposefully put 6 on a team with players 5,4,3,2 for example? Wouldn’t that be inefficient for an algorithm trying to make the most matchups possible. I highly doubt they’d program it that way if player 1 was available, and 10 – 6. All other thigns being equal. I’ll admit that I purposefully picked the worst case for myself, but I’m not sure in this simplified scenario why it would choose to chop up divisions like your suggesting, when you could have more groups of complete sequentail MMR players.

If these are all the available eligible folks at the time, and they are not already qeueing as a group, then why would 6 be placed with 2 – 5 . My numbering was based on the MMR. You could argue maybe 2 -5 had been waiting super long for a match, but they’d still be given one if they got placed with 1 as easily as with 6. and my example was not factoring in potential complications like wait time… I was more trying to drive at the main point of contention in a simplified example. Once we agree to that’s how it would pick in the simplified situation, we can work out how it might go wrong.. But we need to have the basis for the argument agreed to.

Israel.7056:

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to share this because so many people talk about this game being no skill, its all premade ts, build comp, match making etc etc etc. Here you had a ESL player solo queing in Diamond and he just took over by winning a fight that 98% of the players in this game cant.

Zoose is a great player. So what?

Is the moral of the story that if Zoose can do it anyone can?

No definitely not, this is probably just my way of coping with this.

Im trying to look at things from all sides. Ive been in T7 diamond for a good 3-4 days. I its not just zoose. Im getting ESL players on the other team every game i need to get into legendary and this is just my way of telling myself maybe its not my time.

Ive seen these players for years back in solo que and they are a notch above many of us. So i just try to remind myself that its not my fault they are better, its not there fault they always seem to be on the other team. Im also trying not to blame MM even though ive had 4 pips 5-6-7 times and couldnt get the win.

So like Dory said, just keep swimming just keep swimming.

shion.2084:

I did simplify this example, but do you see the main point I’m making and how it differs from yours? I picked six for an example, but perhaps pick 13 then out of 100 in the pool. My point is that most folks will fall in the midle and get roughly 50 50 matches, not be likely to have advantageous ones, even if their in the top half of the elligible MMRs.

This would be true if there were really hundreds of people available at any moment. From what we can see, those numbers are much, much lower, however. Remember, the reason you wait at the queue is because the matchmaker can’t find enough people right now, and needs to wait till enough people enter the queue. That means you get your match when the system will find the 10th person that matches the criteria. It won’t wait for a perfect matchup, it will “click” as soon as it will find 9 other people that are allowed to be matched against you.

Now, what you are thinking, is that if there are more than 5 people above you and below you, the chances of you getting them on your team are equal, so it results in 50/50 matchups.
This is not true, because the mmr is not equally distributed. Most of the people end up in the average range. Within that range, it’s true – you get 50/50 (or very close to it). The more you are away from it, however, the greater your chance of getting people below you (if you have high MMR) or above you (if you’re low). And this obviously affects your chances of ending up on winning/losing team. This is magnified by the fact, that when your MMR is significantly away from average, your chances of getting a team soon are also lower – and the longer in the queue you wait, the further away the matchmaker reaches. Magnifying the problem (because, again, if it doubled the mmr range, in that extended range there will be, statistically, more people towards the average than towards the extremes).

shion.2084:

Now to exactly address your point, your arguing that in my example where you have equally elligible players, it could purposefully put 6 on a team with players 5,4,3,2 for example?

Yes. It could, for example, make a matchup of [1,3,5,6,7] vs. [8,10,12,13,15]

shion.2084:

Wouldn’t that be inefficient for an algorithm trying to make the most matchups possible.

Not really. Remember, that it has to work also if there are 14 people available. Or 16. In such cases your method wouldn’t work (and it would be even more inefficient to change matchmaking algorithms based on number of people in the queue). Also, why would it be inefficient? Out of 15 people you can create only one matchup anyway, so why would it mater which people specifically were picked?

I highly doubt they’d program it that way if player 1 was available, and 10 – 6. All other thigns being equal. I’ll admit that I purposefully picked the worst case for myself, but I’m not sure in this simplified scenario why it would choose to chop up divisions like your suggesting, when you could have more groups of complete sequentail MMR players.

shion.2084:

If these are all the available eligible folks at the time, and they are not already qeueing as a group, then why would 6 be placed with 2 – 5 .

It’s not that simple. Remember, we’re talking about 15 people in pip range based on the player that ended with number 6. Which is what, 15 pips? or was it 15 pips down and up? All those other people may have very different groups of people that could be matched with them. Number 1 might be from the high (or low) end of that pip range, and end up grouped with people from beyond that end, for example.

Do not open spoiler if you are StickerHappy #truthhurtstomuch

kdaddy.5431:

No definitely not, this is probably just my way of coping with this.

Im trying to look at things from all sides. Ive been in T7 diamond for a good 3-4 days. I its not just zoose. Im getting ESL players on the other team every game i need to get into legendary and this is just my way of telling myself maybe its not my time.

Ive seen these players for years back in solo que and they are a notch above many of us. So i just try to remind myself that its not my fault they are better, its not there fault they always seem to be on the other team. Im also trying not to blame MM even though ive had 4 pips 5-6-7 times and couldnt get the win.

So like Dory said, just keep swimming just keep swimming.

You guys did well considering what you were up against. That symphony guy and tarcis are both amazing players. Even in legend if I vs them it’s a 100% loss lol.

I think you need to start considering blocking/adding these guys to your list so you can q dodge and get into legend tbh.

I feel like they changed the system a bit and even at prestige 16 you can get put against diamonds if the queue is long enough so yeah not very good right now to try get into legend.

kdaddy.5431:

No definitely not, this is probably just my way of coping with this.

Im trying to look at things from all sides. Ive been in T7 diamond for a good 3-4 days. I its not just zoose. Im getting ESL players on the other team every game i need to get into legendary and this is just my way of telling myself maybe its not my time.

Ive seen these players for years back in solo que and they are a notch above many of us. So i just try to remind myself that its not my fault they are better, its not there fault they always seem to be on the other team. Im also trying not to blame MM even though ive had 4 pips 5-6-7 times and couldnt get the win.

So like Dory said, just keep swimming just keep swimming.

I think that’s a pretty decent attitude to have. Do you feel like you’re getting better by playing in matches like that?

Israel.7056:

kdaddy.5431:

No definitely not, this is probably just my way of coping with this.

Im trying to look at things from all sides. Ive been in T7 diamond for a good 3-4 days. I its not just zoose. Im getting ESL players on the other team every game i need to get into legendary and this is just my way of telling myself maybe its not my time.

Ive seen these players for years back in solo que and they are a notch above many of us. So i just try to remind myself that its not my fault they are better, its not there fault they always seem to be on the other team. Im also trying not to blame MM even though ive had 4 pips 5-6-7 times and couldnt get the win.

So like Dory said, just keep swimming just keep swimming.

I think that’s a pretty decent attitude to have. Do you feel like you’re getting better by playing in matches like that?

No i believe i have capped in my own abilities. Ive seen these guys for years. Back when we had solo que i would see these guys every game. Like every player who had been ranked #1 in solo que. I was seeing them in the match.

Ive also done the AG scene and the TOL 1-2. Losing to the Abjured and Team Risk (cunning stunts) in those 2. Im pretty sure im better then most but not good enough to compete vs the top 10%.

So like in these 2 screen prints from this season, im just as good if not better as these legendary players.

I was trying to make this thread to show the level difference between just a few players in the game. For instance the screen shots i showed earlier, our other warrior went home. So he had the 1 vs 1 with tarcis, he lost and tarcis had about 75% of his health left and they were running the same build. Now I came with a necro and we rezzed him up. But tarcis and another player was able to drop me, they rezzed me and we killed them both. But we had 3 at home and they only had 2 and literally maybe 1-3 sec longer on no rezzing and they would of gotten the stomps and would of won that fight.

Im getting frustrated but im just trying to remember to keep on swimming.

fishball.7204:

kdaddy.5431:

No definitely not, this is probably just my way of coping with this.

Im trying to look at things from all sides. Ive been in T7 diamond for a good 3-4 days. I its not just zoose. Im getting ESL players on the other team every game i need to get into legendary and this is just my way of telling myself maybe its not my time.

Ive seen these players for years back in solo que and they are a notch above many of us. So i just try to remind myself that its not my fault they are better, its not there fault they always seem to be on the other team. Im also trying not to blame MM even though ive had 4 pips 5-6-7 times and couldnt get the win.

So like Dory said, just keep swimming just keep swimming.

You guys did well considering what you were up against. That symphony guy and tarcis are both amazing players. Even in legend if I vs them it’s a 100% loss lol.

I think you need to start considering blocking/adding these guys to your list so you can q dodge and get into legend tbh.

I feel like they changed the system a bit and even at prestige 16 you can get put against diamonds if the queue is long enough so yeah not very good right now to try get into legend.

No way, i love playing against these guys.

In season 1 i had the same issue, i was 1 pip away from getting into legendary and i had to face team PZ. I quit after that and got into legendary the next day. Then that day i faced 4 out of 5 players from team PZ 5 matches in a row.

I find it alot more fun since the people on my team are actually trying to give it all with classes they know. I would just like to have the Legendary title and rank before consistently seeing them game after game.

But once i do i actually prefer these matches even in a loss.

Fair enough.

I don’t mind tough matches myself but just from my perspective if I’m 1 pip from legend I’ll try to do everything I can to get that last pip so I don’t stress myself out and get frustrated. Even if that involves q dodging.