It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.
For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.
It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.
For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.
And what is this counter? Thief + Mes Moa combo from stealth?
It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.
For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.
Ah yes counters mmm if only boon hate was more common.
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It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.
For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.
And what is this counter? Thief + Mes Moa combo from stealth?
I have been playing this game since launch, I know how to adapt just well, but in all my 3 years of playing, never have I seen so much cheesy builds such as cele ele or those taking advantage of fire stacking builds.
It’s so easy to slip into a thread and say, L2P noob, or Learn to condi cleanse, yet I challenge anyone with that mind set to do that with 2+ eles on a team or 2+ fire condi guardians focusing you in a team fight. Sure.. go ahead and use your 1 or 2 condi cleanses which are probably on long cool downs (especially if you play necro -_-) but do prepare to burn like a piece of bacon right after.
GW2 was never made to be more innovative than other MMOs, it was made to be different than GW1.
It’s so easy to counter burn guards. Please L2P, it really is a L2P issue when people complain about burn guards or engies.
d/d ele op, Inc guard nerf on next balance patch!.. and tooltips fixes. :P
@OP u play pvp if u like it….. or if want to test and learn few builds to counter it.
I actually like burn guards. They balance the game in a way and keep me on my toes when I dont trait/equip cleanses. Hope they dont get nerfed due to people complaining about them. Warriors, necros, earth dd eles and other condi builds counter burn guards.
You either are matched with stacking burn guardians or eles with celestial stats. Its every match. Heres to another 3 years of unbalance.
playing when these classes are overpowered prepares you for a sea of stomps when the balance shifts to favor your class.
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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
PvP is an unbalanced mess where teams group together & zerg for single points.
The real question is; Is it your team doing the zerging or theirs?
If a team is Zerging then rotate around them… don’t meet them head on. If it’s a Zerg and you die, regroup back (that doesn’t mean go out one at a time) to that area as the Zerg will likely be else where.
It’s no wonder people think this game is unbalanced… people don’t understand the very class that they play and they have 0 map awareness.
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It’s so easy to counter burn guards. Please L2P, it really is a L2P issue when people complain about burn guards or engies.
d/d ele op, Inc guard nerf on next balance patch!.. and tooltips fixes. :P
@OP u play pvp if u like it….. or if want to test and learn few builds to counter it.
I actually like burn guards. They balance the game in a way and keep me on my toes when I dont trait/equip cleanses. Hope they dont get nerfed due to people complaining about them. Warriors, necros, earth dd eles and other condi builds counter burn guards.
Here is whats wrong with your little philosophy, apparently your a pvp god suggesting to me to L2P, but I will take the benefit of the doubt and say your just a daily forum troll.. but riddle me this, when you have 3 or more eles OR burn guards on the opposite team please share with me how you continue to keep cleanse of these conditions after using 1 or 2 of your ONLY condi cleanses? Not to mention on other possible condi classes that are probably in the same game.
I’ll answer that for you, you dont… you burn and die.
In a 1v1 situation, sure… I know exactly how to time my condi clears and reverse them back. And if they only have one or 2 people on the other team its not as bad.
Maybe your a warrior, they dont even know what condis are.. or maybe your a bunker guard, who kills those these days? But for those who dont have a abundance of condi cleanse or Boon love, burn damage is broken.
GW2 was never made to be more innovative than other MMOs, it was made to be different than GW1.
PvP is an unbalanced mess where teams group together & zerg for single points.
The real question is; Is it your team doing the zerging or theirs?
If a team is Zerging then rotate around them… don’t meet them head on. If it’s a Zerg and you die, regroup back (that doesn’t mean go out one at a time) to that area as the Zerg will likely be else where.
It’s no wonder people think this game is unbalanced… people don’t understand the very class that they play and they have 0 map awareness.
Its true, some classes in this game are unbalanced, thats not a false fact.. take a look at cele ele and those taking advantage of broken runes to the point ESL has to put a restriction on classes.
Also, what makes PVP unenjoyable to many right now is the fact that you can have a whole premade go up against your team of randoms. You can do exactly what you just said and still get stomped because the opposite team can communicate or respond quicker to that strategy when facing pugs. Even if its just a premade of 3 people, the other team is in a huge disadvantage because once again, communication and timing. Not sure if that can be helped though, I just accept it and move on.
GW2 was never made to be more innovative than other MMOs, it was made to be different than GW1.
It’s so easy to counter burn guards. Please L2P, it really is a L2P issue when people complain about burn guards or engies.
d/d ele op, Inc guard nerf on next balance patch!.. and tooltips fixes. :P
@OP u play pvp if u like it….. or if want to test and learn few builds to counter it.
I actually like burn guards. They balance the game in a way and keep me on my toes when I dont trait/equip cleanses. Hope they dont get nerfed due to people complaining about them. Warriors, necros, earth dd eles and other condi builds counter burn guards.
Here is whats wrong with your little philosophy, apparently your a pvp god suggesting to me to L2P, but I will take the benefit of the doubt and say your just a daily forum troll.. but riddle me this, when you have 3 or more eles OR burn guards on the opposite team please share with me how you continue to keep cleanse of these conditions after using 1 or 2 of your ONLY condi cleanses? Not to mention on other possible condi classes that are probably in the same game.
I’ll answer that for you, you dont… you burn and die.
In a 1v1 situation, sure… I know exactly how to time my condi clears and reverse them back. And if they only have one or 2 people on the other team its not as bad.
If it’s a full condi guard team, you should know not to stack up. Permeating Wrath is the reason guards excel in groups. If they’re not using permeating wrath, you only have to worry about cleansing Purging Flames (easy animation) and Judges Intervention. Don’t get caught in WW while you’re in PF. Oh, and jump/dodge when you see Zealots Fire.
The only class that have issues with condi in general are Engi’s, Thieves (shouldn’t be in a team fight anyways) and maayybee Mesmers if we get the drop on them. Even then.. it’s a guard team for crying out loud… out rotate the kitten out of them. You’ll also be able to kite and outsustain them.
I see SO many people QQ about 15 burn stacks when they were the ones who ate my WW in PF!! They have no idea how the class is played… It really is a l2p issue for a lot of people.
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It’s so easy to counter burn guards. Please L2P, it really is a L2P issue when people complain about burn guards or engies.
d/d ele op, Inc guard nerf on next balance patch!.. and tooltips fixes. :P
@OP u play pvp if u like it….. or if want to test and learn few builds to counter it.
I actually like burn guards. They balance the game in a way and keep me on my toes when I dont trait/equip cleanses. Hope they dont get nerfed due to people complaining about them. Warriors, necros, earth dd eles and other condi builds counter burn guards.
Here is whats wrong with your little philosophy, apparently your a pvp god suggesting to me to L2P, but I will take the benefit of the doubt and say your just a daily forum troll.. but riddle me this, when you have 3 or more eles OR burn guards on the opposite team please share with me how you continue to keep cleanse of these conditions after using 1 or 2 of your ONLY condi cleanses? Not to mention on other possible condi classes that are probably in the same game.
I’ll answer that for you, you dont… you burn and die.
In a 1v1 situation, sure… I know exactly how to time my condi clears and reverse them back. And if they only have one or 2 people on the other team its not as bad.
If it’s a full condi guard team, you should know not to stack up. Permeating Wrath is the reason guards excel in groups. If they’re not using permeating wrath, you only have to worry about cleansing Purging Flames (easy animation) and Judges Intervention. Don’t get caught in WW while you’re in PF. Oh, and jump/dodge when you see Zealots Fire.
The only class that have issues with condi in general are Engi’s, Thieves (shouldn’t be in a team fight anyways) and maayybee Mesmers if we get the drop on them. Even then.. it’s a guard team for crying out loud… out rotate the kitten out of them. You’ll also be able to kite and outsustain them.
I see SO many people QQ about 15 burn stacks when they were the ones who ate my WW in PF!! They have no idea how the class is played… It really is a l2p issue for a lot of people.
L2P issue true, but it doesn’t change the fact that both ele and guardian take no skill no matter how you build em in a way that is “viable.”
It’s like saying PU mesmer is fun to go against, which it isn’t.
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It’s so easy to counter burn guards. Please L2P, it really is a L2P issue when people complain about burn guards or engies.
d/d ele op, Inc guard nerf on next balance patch!.. and tooltips fixes. :P
@OP u play pvp if u like it….. or if want to test and learn few builds to counter it.
I actually like burn guards. They balance the game in a way and keep me on my toes when I dont trait/equip cleanses. Hope they dont get nerfed due to people complaining about them. Warriors, necros, earth dd eles and other condi builds counter burn guards.
Here is whats wrong with your little philosophy, apparently your a pvp god suggesting to me to L2P, but I will take the benefit of the doubt and say your just a daily forum troll.. but riddle me this, when you have 3 or more eles OR burn guards on the opposite team please share with me how you continue to keep cleanse of these conditions after using 1 or 2 of your ONLY condi cleanses? Not to mention on other possible condi classes that are probably in the same game.
I’ll answer that for you, you dont… you burn and die.
In a 1v1 situation, sure… I know exactly how to time my condi clears and reverse them back. And if they only have one or 2 people on the other team its not as bad.
If it’s a full condi guard team, you should know not to stack up. Permeating Wrath is the reason guards excel in groups. If they’re not using permeating wrath, you only have to worry about cleansing Purging Flames (easy animation) and Judges Intervention. Don’t get caught in WW while you’re in PF. Oh, and jump/dodge when you see Zealots Fire.
The only class that have issues with condi in general are Engi’s, Thieves (shouldn’t be in a team fight anyways) and maayybee Mesmers if we get the drop on them. Even then.. it’s a guard team for crying out loud… out rotate the kitten out of them. You’ll also be able to kite and outsustain them.
I see SO many people QQ about 15 burn stacks when they were the ones who ate my WW in PF!! They have no idea how the class is played… It really is a l2p issue for a lot of people.
True enough, some do not know how to play against it. I hopped on my guard and faced this engi in a 1v1 situation on point to which that went into tornado trying to keep me off but little did he know he was sitting in my purging flames as he moved back and forth, and I was cheesing all over as he died from my burning stacks.
I didnt even have to engage on him, I just watch him move around in it and he died lol.
Some of it is L2P issues, but what im getting at is that having more than two people who apply it is not fun and it begins to show how broken the damage it puts out is. Im not even targeting just guardians, im also considering Eles or engis who have access to it also. When you have a team focus firing you, all you can do is take it as your being immobilized, burned and stunned. At the end of the day burning is going to get toned down.
GW2 was never made to be more innovative than other MMOs, it was made to be different than GW1.
Do what I do: When a class is overpowered, spam ranked with it and get your almost literal freelo title. I got Champion Illusionist on Mesmer respec and Champion Phantom on Dhuumfire, also have Champion Shadow because Thief is just so fun. Going to get Paragon and Magus just running burn builds, probably Genius too….
I do not have an issue with the guardian class, fine, allow them to have a condi build built around fire… but considering how much burn damage does compared to other conditions.. broken.
GW2 was never made to be more innovative than other MMOs, it was made to be different than GW1.
I do not have an issue with the guardian class, fine, allow them to have a condi build built around fire… but considering how much burn damage does compared to other conditions.. broken.
Even on gw1 fire had more degen than other condis, that is fine if i recal other condis were hald fire degen, was 8 ticks degen, that would make any player that had condis on him go from “i think ill be ok, but i will be need help” to “panic”, if stacked with other condis ofc.
if i recall the only skill with more degen than fire was life transfer with a -12 aoe degen.
1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.
It’s always the same, people fail to adapt their playstyle and start blaming the flavor of the month class. Guardian can do more damage and is less squishy on a Marauder amulet than an ele on celestial. Mesmers are doing 16k spikes from stealth and people still complain about an ele bunkering down. It’s not like the ele has a choice.
For every build there is a counter, and an ele is anything but difficult to kill if you bothered to learn the class weakness.
You either are matched with stacking burn guardians or eles with celestial stats. Its every match. Heres to another 3 years of unbalance.
playing when these classes are overpowered prepares you for a sea of stomps when the balance shifts to favor your class.
is gonna be fun indeed…but this is taking way too much…
The changes might not be that different from what we have now.
Expect 4-6 months after HoT, meanwhile in that time, WVW tourney season, pvp tourney, then they will shift meta(as in most efficient class) to another class.
Ah, and they will nerf guardian shield, since not all guardians using meditations gs build.
lets just wait who will be the lucky ones.
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1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.
The changes might not be that different from what we have now.
Expect 4-6 months after HoT, meanwhile in that time, WVW tourney season, pvp tourney, then they will shift meta(as in most efficient class) to another class.
Ah, and they will nerf guardian shield, since not all guardians using meditations gs build.
lets just wait who will be the lucky ones.
>:}
Ele buff is a must.
It’s embarrassing how underpowered Elementalist class is.
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1. ele fire trait line needs some massive nerfing
2. burning base numbers need to be adjusted#
3. i think it is funny how people cry that there is no reason to pvp…. back in my days (lol) pvpers wouldn’t get crap besides some dyes… rewards tracks, gold, tomes didn’t exist…. back then people who did pvp did it for fun/challenge
also, leagues bring new rewards too…. if normal pvp is not rewarding enough for you, do tourneys…. builds are too broken and Anet as usuall ignores issues? play those builds duhh (if you want to win that is)
1. ele fire trait line needs some massive nerfing
2. burning base numbers need to be adjusted#
3. i think it is funny how people cry that there is no reason to pvp…. back in my days (lol) pvpers wouldn’t get crap besides some dyes… rewards tracks, gold, tomes didn’t exist…. back then people who did pvp did it for fun/challenge
also, leagues bring new rewards too…. if normal pvp is not rewarding enough for you, do tourneys…. builds are too broken and Anet as usuall ignores issues? play those builds duhh (if you want to win that is)
Talking like that I suggest your Daredevil use a cane as a staff skin :P
1. ele fire trait line needs some massive nerfing
2. burning base numbers need to be adjusted#
3. i think it is funny how people cry that there is no reason to pvp…. back in my days (lol) pvpers wouldn’t get crap besides some dyes… rewards tracks, gold, tomes didn’t exist…. back then people who did pvp did it for fun/challenge
also, leagues bring new rewards too…. if normal pvp is not rewarding enough for you, do tourneys…. builds are too broken and Anet as usuall ignores issues? play those builds duhh (if you want to win that is)
Talking like that I suggest your Daredevil use a cane as a staff skin :P
i highly doubt i would play staff or dd build for that matter…. but yeah i would totally make old guy with cane if i could xD
1. ele fire trait line needs some massive nerfing
2. burning base numbers need to be adjusted#
3. i think it is funny how people cry that there is no reason to pvp…. back in my days (lol) pvpers wouldn’t get crap besides some dyes… rewards tracks, gold, tomes didn’t exist…. back then people who did pvp did it for fun/challenge
also, leagues bring new rewards too…. if normal pvp is not rewarding enough for you, do tourneys…. builds are too broken and Anet as usuall ignores issues? play those builds duhh (if you want to win that is)
Talking like that I suggest your Daredevil use a cane as a staff skin :P
i highly doubt i would play staff or dd build for that matter…. but yeah i would totally make old guy with cane if i could xD
I would probably giggle every time you get crippled.
