Guild Wars 2

Hello this is Countless if you don’t know me. I’ve noticed something in this game that is quite the thorn when it comes to getting things rolling when it comes to the pvp scene, and that is the lack of teams being created. There are a few reasons for this, and I will give possible solutions for the problem.

1) Leaderboards – Leaderboards are the primary reason why most people don’t make teams in guild wars 2. Thankfully you have custom games to scrim against other people and to get your feet wet when it comes to getting your rotation down, ruffing out the kinks, etc. But the way the leaderboards are being established is by a person to person basis……my question is why?

2) The Current Team Creation

The purpose of a guild and a team is pretty much intertwined when it comes to SPvP, most people who want the fancy title just make a separate guild and only invite the current roster of people who want to be on the current team. I believe there needs to be a separate tab or atleast something to distinguish team creation. A guild should not be for a 5 man roster interested in ranked games.

3) No consequences for leaving a team

By only giving people a individual rating, it only puts back team creation as a whole, because when you win or lose a team game your only thinking about yourself “when it comes to rank” your not thinking about your team. This by itself is what is creating the elitist high horse type of mentality, and the type of player who hops from team to team only after a couple of losses. losing is learning, and learning is winning. These type of players is what is hurting the community when it comes to SPvP, and quite frankly your system is promoting such behavior, but this can always be fixed so don’t worry.

-THE SOLUTION-

The only way to make this better would be a entire reworking of the leaderboards as we currently see it

- You currently scrap the current leaderboards, you base it off of who’s TEAM has the highest rating, not the player. By doing this you give the community a reason to jump start team creation, get in and start competing. There is pretty much no reason for this to fail because you have the custom arenas to polish your skills before going in and competing. You could argue that you could do this now with the current player ranked leaderboards but that still does not promote people to make teams.

- And if the team based leaderboards were created, it should only show the players on said team who play the majority of those games to get to that rating ONLY. Because there will still those people who jump from team to team and that’s fine, but their name should not be shown since they have not put in the same time and commitment as the other players on the team to acquire said rating. This feature should be enough to get those team hoppers reason to stick with a team for the long run.

- There still should be a personal rating, but only as a benchmark for the player, something secondary at best. The team rating should be what’s important with this type of play. So possibly a achievement or something similar should suffice to let himself and others know that he is a high rank when it comes to his abilities as a player.

Hopefully this idea will be incorporated into the game someday, I really feel that it would be fair, and positively affect the SPvP community as a whole. And thanks for reading

Countless

you could have saved a lot of text and just said copy wows system.

Bumping The Thread.

Or you could copy systems like sc and LoL and create a separate leaderboards for teams and solo queue. Allow people to create teams based on guild and give that guild a rating system that moves them up the leaderboards that way we can see how much rating a win is giving and moving us up the leaderboards. It also seperates the pug stomps you get from solo queues. This is honestly the best shot to reviving a competetive nature of the gw2 pvp scene.
EDIT: display the guild name on the leaderboards and allow a tab to show the roster as well so the guild as a whole gets credit. This will bring back that guild glorious feeling that gw1 had. If we are not going to have GvG at least allow guilds to get credit.

NA is also full of drama and people hate each other’s guts and don’t want to play with each other (in an already small spvp community).

It’s also funny since we all know each other. That’s how small this community is.

I’m still having a blast playing… as we are starting to see more and more players coming back. I might be inclined to start up joO Binder again.

I’ve had offers from some teams, but non of them got going. I see a lot of NA players saying screw it and just heading straight to EU as it’s “booming” with teams over there.

I don’t know what the answer is… it’s working in EU. Why can’t america get it’s act together? Could be from the ridiculous time commitments teams are demanding and perhaps the majority of NA is just taking it as a casual pvp game.

In NA…. The “top” players have no reason to make set teams. They just have a pvp friends list they use to find people they are comfortable with that are online. And if you don’t know many of them, good luck getting a competent full group to regularly play with.

There are some people outside that group that say they want teams (see LF team sticky). I’ve found that a lot of these people really just want a group to play with a couple times a week and don’t really want to commit to a practice schedule. On top of that, most of them are unwilling to be the initiator to form up a new one.

I agree with you on the problem. There is no reason to form a set team, so it would be nice if incentive to do so was built in by Anet. We can whine and complain all day about it, but I believe a lot of it also falls on the shoulders of our community. If EU has a decent team scene, why can’t NA get it together as well?

I’m considering trying to form one up myself. Solo queue is just too frustrating, to the point where I bombed my leaderboard rank on purpose to see how it is at the bottom. You’re either high enough to solo against premades, or low enough that you get leavers and afkers in most matches. Casual queuing with friends is hit or miss. It’s much more fun having a set group to play with every day.

Zoose.1640:

NA is also full of drama and people hate each other’s guts and don’t want to play with each other (in an already small spvp community).

This unfortunately

Or just implement a dueling mode and have individual rankings for that.

Hopefully we can do away with all this mandatory “team” business that a lot of people find a nuisance anyway.

bhagwad.4281:

Or just implement a dueling mode and have individual rankings for that.

Hopefully we can do away with all this mandatory “team” business that a lot of people find a nuisance anyway.

Dueling mode boils down to who is the tankiest.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

bhagwad.4281:

Or just implement a dueling mode and have individual rankings for that.

Hopefully we can do away with all this mandatory “team” business that a lot of people find a nuisance anyway.

Dueling mode boils down to who is the tankiest.

I assure you I can take down any tank with my phantasm build. In any case, we can have a system like in GW1 where in the case of a draw, the more aggressive person wins.

i say a real solo q can fix this, ppl on similar ratings are forced to play and communicate with each other, which brings everyone closer together and more teams will form up

I made a post Lf team i didn’t get any anwser, i posted in map chat in desolation, i’ll now post in streams, and if in few days i don’t get anything good out, i’ll start making a new one from zero.
The community is small, we don’t have the tools to find a team, and the leaderboard don’t helps either

I would consider making a team more often if things were even remotely balanced and or I could play more then a single build per class. Playing the same build with the other same builds and classes is boring as kitten.

1) You don’t have to enter as a team.
2) Teams (esp guild teams) apparently aren’t lying at the core game design, because there are still no arenas where only guild teams would be able to participate (i.e. a GW2 version of gvg). Moreover, introducing an entry fee to tournaments in effect killed the mode when coupled with other glaring issues.
3) Teaming up, much like joining a guild, has been trivialized to the point most do not have the impression they hold much, if any, meaning. See above for reasons.
4) Emphasis on individuality rather than the group – something I feel lies at the core of GW2, in both pvp and pve. Skirmish matches, lack of necessity to form a group in either game mode all attest that issue.
5) Lack of pvp infrastructure to drive competitiveness, lack of balance, lack of regular updates to facilitate the said.
6) Not many want to, or feel like trying hard in a game that treats pvp as well as its players as 2nd rate customers.
Proof: comparison between the size of pve and pvp update, including lack of balance notes, detailed explanations behind nerfs – GW had all that, and more.

Part of the issue is that the very few real tPvP players that are still in this game all party together already, and there seems to be a lack of interest on the part of the remainder.

I have been trying to make an easy way for people to get teams made up, and while there has been some community response it hasn’t been overwhelming:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Community-Hub-for-tPvPers/page/2#post1994423

The community apathy is frustrating. Hopefully something is done in the near future to drive team creation or the scene will totally die.

I disagree with everything people are saying in this thread. People don’t make and play in teams because it means revolving their lives around a video game. To play in a team you need the same 5 dudes online. This is impossible unless those 5 dudes make an effort to be on at certain times. When things reach this point then the game becomes a job. Sometimes you dont want to log on at 7 but 8 instead. Sometimes your irl friend is on and you want to tourny with him in a duo queue. Sometimes you dont fancy playing that day.

But in a “team” you cant do this without meaning the rest of your team cant tourny that day (if they “only” play with their team), or they cant play as a team that day.

The reason people dont make teams is a real life one and nothing to do with the game. Sure you could have a team and obviously still play with other pugs. Most people do this. But even doing this, the time you play with your 5 man team will be very rare as it requires on people all being online at the same time. Impossible for most people.

Lordrosicky.5813:

I disagree with everything people are saying in this thread. People don’t make and play in teams because it means revolving their lives around a video game. To play in a team you need the same 5 dudes online. This is impossible unless those 5 dudes make an effort to be on at certain times. When things reach this point then the game becomes a job. Sometimes you dont want to log on at 7 but 8 instead. Sometimes your irl friend is on and you want to tourny with him in a duo queue. Sometimes you dont fancy playing that day.

But in a “team” you cant do this without meaning the rest of your team cant tourny that day (if they “only” play with their team), or they cant play as a team that day.

The reason people dont make teams is a real life one and nothing to do with the game. Sure you could have a team and obviously still play with other pugs. Most people do this. But even doing this, the time you play with your 5 man team will be very rare as it requires on people all being online at the same time. Impossible for most people.

And this is why we need a working soloqueue.

There is no distinction between “Team” and “Guild” atm though. What do you do for the 150 man guilds with 4 or 5 teams? They’d need to add a team system similar to WoW’s (/gag) arena system to make this work.

Rerroll.9083:

Lordrosicky.5813:

I disagree with everything people are saying in this thread. People don’t make and play in teams because it means revolving their lives around a video game. To play in a team you need the same 5 dudes online. This is impossible unless those 5 dudes make an effort to be on at certain times. When things reach this point then the game becomes a job. Sometimes you dont want to log on at 7 but 8 instead. Sometimes your irl friend is on and you want to tourny with him in a duo queue. Sometimes you dont fancy playing that day.

But in a “team” you cant do this without meaning the rest of your team cant tourny that day (if they “only” play with their team), or they cant play as a team that day.

The reason people dont make teams is a real life one and nothing to do with the game. Sure you could have a team and obviously still play with other pugs. Most people do this. But even doing this, the time you play with your 5 man team will be very rare as it requires on people all being online at the same time. Impossible for most people.

And this is why we need a working soloqueue.

Indeed true dude.

You got guys that disband their team , but still play together with exact same ppl.You know why ? its because now ppl cant laugh about thoose “teams” when they got destroyed by soloQ or Pug.

True story purie