Guild Wars 2

Will the damage and burn nerfs come before WTS? Because this will be the kittentiest event of the season if mesmers are kept this way, and the burn damage of eles.

I think they are adding WvW golems to sPvP before WTS.

Celtus.8456:

I think they are adding WvW golems to sPvP before WTS.

Not surprised if this comes true

I sure hope so, this patch is disgusting.

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Anet is only hurting themselves at this point.

They did a great job initially with the patch…seeing that they only messed up a few things despite making lots of changes.

Unfortunately, those few things are pretty obvious to anyone who plays the game (i.e. mesmers, burning, and rampage), and they are so ridiculous that they are making more and more people quit.

How many people have switched classes AWAY from Mesmer versus the opposite?… How many warriors DON’T run rampage?…Does anybody with a half a brain not see that burning is an overbudget condition compared to bleeding?

As I’ve said before….Anet is always so close, yet so far, with making PvP great in this game.

Seriously, there can’t be that much debate internally about what is wrong and what needs to be fixed. It doesn’t take a lot either to get these things in line…adjust cooldowns and a few multipliers/synergies and you’re done.

Mesmer wont be nerfed for at least 6-12 months. Then only in a minor way. The past shows this.

SPESHAL.9106:

Anet is only hurting themselves at this point.

They did a great job initially with the patch…seeing that they only messed up a few things despite making lots of changes.

Unfortunately, those few things are pretty obvious to anyone who plays the game (i.e. mesmers, burning, and rampage), and they are so ridiculous that they are making more and more people quit.

How many people have switched classes AWAY from Mesmer versus the opposite?… How many warriors DON’T run rampage?…Does anybody with a half a brain not see that burning is an overbudget condition compared to bleeding?

As I’ve said before….Anet is always so close, yet so far, with making PvP great in this game.

Seriously, there can’t be that much debate internally about what is wrong and what needs to be fixed. It doesn’t take a lot either to get these things in line…adjust cooldowns and a few multipliers/synergies and you’re done.

They are close on balance but they are also 18 months off.

In addition they are miles off making pvp great as you say. Miles away to be honest. Have to sit at your PC in the hotm for 12 minutes? Yeh, that isnt good. No leaderboards. No in game tournaments. No new maps for 3 years.

Like they have removed more features than they have added.

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Yeah, that’s how it works. Abjured didn’t change their team to FOTM, Mesmer must still be under powered…

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

The arguement of “x team run x class” is so stupid. it means nothing. This game has a competitive scene of about 8 players on NA and 15 on EU. Nobody else can be bothered because the game is such a joke. With such a small sample of try-hards there is no evidence to be gained by what these try hards run.

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

I’m not part of vE for like 3 months already, just cba to edit. Anyway, every1 of em is like 1k times better than those “mesmer lovers”. And they are WvW/GvG guild which is like totally irrelevant. Try again.

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

ANet was so close to make it a very high skillcap-class that’s balanced very well! Look at Powerblock; one of my favourite new traits; really high skillcap but very rewarding and powerful. but what do ppl do with Mantra of distraction now? they just spam it because it’s a guaranteed stun anways! Most high level players don’t even pick PB anymore, but the extremely dumb and boring mental anguish.

I personally don’t think Mesmer is extremely OP and I could live with it being strong (although I don’t main Mesmer), but I hate when sth. that could be so skill-intensive and amazing just gets dumbed down because of bad balancing. I mean; why should I w8 to interrupt sth with powerblock when I can just daze (=stun) and spike it down?

Solution: Confounding suggestions only Stuns when you’re interrupting a skill!

→ This would help to make the class more balanced, skill-intensive and rewarding and it would be an incredibly easy fix.

Celtus.8456:

I think they are adding WvW golems to sPvP before WTS.

Haha +1

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

• Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted*

PowerBottom.5796:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

—> Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted

And..:

• Blind on Shatter on ICD
• No Mantra’s while CC’d

Terrorsquad.4802:

PowerBottom.5796:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

—> Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted

And..:

• Blind on Shatter on ICD
• No Mantra’s while CC’d

Blind on shatter needs the bug fix to not go through evades. And not using mantras while cc’d would defeat the entire purpose of mantras.

jportell.2197:

Terrorsquad.4802:

PowerBottom.5796:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

—> Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted

And..:

• Blind on Shatter on ICD
• No Mantra’s while CC’d

Blind on shatter needs the bug fix to not go through evades. And not using mantras while cc’d would defeat the entire purpose of mantras.

The healing mantra needs increase of CD since mantra recharge change not sure about other ones.

Sagat.3285:

jportell.2197:

Terrorsquad.4802:

PowerBottom.5796:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

—> Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted

And..:

• Blind on Shatter on ICD
• No Mantra’s while CC’d

Blind on shatter needs the bug fix to not go through evades. And not using mantras while cc’d would defeat the entire purpose of mantras.

The healing mantra needs increase of CD since mantra recharge change not sure about other ones.

No increases on CD’s until Anet confirms whether or not that mantra recharges in the background is a bug or an intended change.

Keep in mind a mantra build has not been used at all in game since release.

Mesmers won’t get nerfed before WTS because certain anime loving top mes keeps spamming devs with skype messages so mes don’t get nerfed and he can faceroll in WTS.

Worst part, devs actually listen.

jportell.2197:

Terrorsquad.4802:

PowerBottom.5796:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Obvious Mesmer-not-OP-Protector is obvious..
Stop protecting something thats broken, like really..

The only reason why The abjured are not playing mesmer is because they have no Mesmer-player…. Almost every other top-team, especially in EU, run mesmers. It’s clearly one of the best classes atm, there’s absolutely no denying that.

The big question is how to balance it correctly.

—> Confounding suggestions only stuns if a skill was interrupted

And..:

• Blind on Shatter on ICD
• No Mantra’s while CC’d

Blind on shatter needs the bug fix to not go through evades. And not using mantras while cc’d would defeat the entire purpose of mantras.

it wont defeat the “entire” purpose… It stays instant for the rest of the time you’re not CC’d. Making it not instant would defeat the “entire” purpose..

Cynz.9437:

Mesmers won’t get nerfed before WTS because certain anime loving top mes keeps spamming devs with skype messages so mes don’t get nerfed and he can faceroll in WTS.

Worst part, devs actually listen.

Who are those anime loving mesmers? LOL

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

Mesmers won’t get nerfed before WTS because certain anime loving top mes keeps spamming devs with skype messages so mes don’t get nerfed and he can faceroll in WTS.

Worst part, devs actually listen.

Who are those anime loving mesmers? LOL

Oh cmon, there is only one mes that runs anime music 24/7 on stream~

Cynz.9437:

StickerHappy.8052:

Cynz.9437:

Mesmers won’t get nerfed before WTS because certain anime loving top mes keeps spamming devs with skype messages so mes don’t get nerfed and he can faceroll in WTS.

Worst part, devs actually listen.

Who are those anime loving mesmers? LOL

Oh cmon, there is only one mes that runs anime music 24/7 on stream~

I have no idea who that is, Can you give me a hint? NA or EU? What is the 1st letter?

there wont be any mesmer nerf! So live with it & go meta.

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

The misinformation on forums is real

Situations.2416:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcouNb1oiY

The misinformation on forums is real

Sure but that guy wasen’t there last time i watched them.

Extreme.8350:

Situations.2416:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcouNb1oiY

The misinformation on forums is real

Sure but that guy wasen’t there last time i watched them.

Bottom line here is Backpack Is an Engie main, yet when he played mesmer he still give the other team lots of problems.

Situations.2416:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcouNb1oiY

The misinformation on forums is real

Wat? played well? He died like within 35 seconds into the game
And after respawn, he died again very soon by just one thief pressuring on him.
And during all these, Abjured still got a 60-20 lead….They also teamwiped Apex even though backpack is like coming back from respawn.

Bottom line is that he would still win with the team not matter what he plays and also looked like he contributed something. Abjured is just so much stronger than Apex prime

Vieux P.1238:

there wont be any mesmer nerf! So live with it & go mesmer.

Fixed it for you

SPESHAL.9106:

Anet is only hurting themselves at this point.

They did a great job initially with the patch…seeing that they only messed up a few things despite making lots of changes.

Unfortunately, those few things are pretty obvious to anyone who plays the game (i.e. mesmers, burning, and rampage), and they are so ridiculous that they are making more and more people quit.

How many people have switched classes AWAY from Mesmer versus the opposite?… How many warriors DON’T run rampage?…Does anybody with a half a brain not see that burning is an overbudget condition compared to bleeding?

As I’ve said before….Anet is always so close, yet so far, with making PvP great in this game.

Seriously, there can’t be that much debate internally about what is wrong and what needs to be fixed. It doesn’t take a lot either to get these things in line…adjust cooldowns and a few multipliers/synergies and you’re done.

I would agree with this. My wife and I have been excited for the expansion. Came back to the game for this latest patch as I always hated that changing my traits adjusted my stats as well and was happy to see the changes, but…

We have both held off on pre-purchasing the expansion because there has not even been a peep from ArenaNet about whether this new power creep is intentional, being looked at, part of the bigger picture, nothing…

So we wait and see. I know two purchases are just a drop in the bucket for ArenaNet but I can’t help but wonder how many others are waiting with their wallets in hand to hear back from the developers about these issues and whether they are even being looked at.

Thanks.

I don’t believe any major changes will be made before WTS, now that almost every team learned how to play their Mesmers ;P.

I was surprised, however, that we did not get more bugfixes and rather lesser changes to the game with some update, as it’s 2 weeks from last one and they said they will cycle with balance updates every 2 weeks.

Exciton.8942:

Situations.2416:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcouNb1oiY

The misinformation on forums is real

Wat? played well? He died like within 35 seconds into the game
And after respawn, he died again very soon by just one thief pressuring on him.
And during all these, Abjured still got a 60-20 lead….They also teamwiped Apex even though backpack is like coming back from respawn.

Bottom line is that he would still win with the team not matter what he plays and also looked like he contributed something. Abjured is just so much stronger than Apex prime

Prevented zoe backcapping with portal , constantly +1’d fights, timewarp on downed bodies for slow and quickness. Did alot to keep nodes in their favor and help with teamfights with mesmer specific utilities. Shrug

Either way I was just saying that because he said abjured doesn’t run a mesmer , backpack would play engi but he’s having too much fun on mesmer atm because it’s broken and obviously, anybody can just pick the class up and be effective with it. It’s so dumbed down now it’s unbelievable.

Situations.2416:

Exciton.8942:

Situations.2416:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

Backpack plays mesmer for Abjured , and does well on it, it’s that brainless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcouNb1oiY

The misinformation on forums is real

Wat? played well? He died like within 35 seconds into the game
And after respawn, he died again very soon by just one thief pressuring on him.
And during all these, Abjured still got a 60-20 lead….They also teamwiped Apex even though backpack is like coming back from respawn.

Bottom line is that he would still win with the team not matter what he plays and also looked like he contributed something. Abjured is just so much stronger than Apex prime

Prevented zoe backcapping with portal , constantly +1’d fights, timewarp on downed bodies for slow and quickness. Did alot to keep nodes in their favor and help with teamfights with mesmer specific utilities. Shrug

Either way I was just saying that because he said abjured doesn’t run a mesmer , backpack would play engi but he’s having too much fun on mesmer atm because it’s broken and obviously, anybody can just pick the class up and be effective with it. It’s so dumbed down now it’s unbelievable.

But what I was pointing out is the exact opposite. Backpack, as a mesmer, absolutely sucked in the video. He could play any other profession and would still be carried by Abjured to victory. And duration the process he could still +1 some fights and prevent a certain backcapping. Don’t tell me you are complaining the mesmer’s timewarp is broken…

Abjured got a big advantage by having their two elementalists managing a 2v4. Not by backpack doing anything useful. After that, the momentum is completely on Abjured’s side and Apex is constantly having players on respawn. It shows nothing about class balance.

So if you truly believe what you said, go head a pick the class up, and show me some footage of your success in any tournament.

Anyone who argues that Mesmer is balanced is either 1. a Mesmer 2. someone who doesn’t play the game.

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

you can go ask every abjured member, if mesmer is op, they will say yes..

lighter.2708:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

you can go ask every abjured member, if mesmer is op, they will say yes..

Because they gonna face mesmers in WTS final and already finding excuses for potential losses?
Yeah, mesmer is strong atm but the whatever profession balance is hardly matters in all the ESL matches.

Exciton.8942:

lighter.2708:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

you can go ask every abjured member, if mesmer is op, they will say yes..

Because they gonna face mesmers in WTS final and already finding excuses for potential losses?
Yeah, mesmer is strong atm but the whatever profession balance is hardly matters in all the ESL matches.

Wait what , this completely contradicts what you have been saying. Your whole point was that mesmer is ineffective and backpack could play on any class and do well. But now you’re saying the entire abjured lineup is whining about mesmers because of mesmers they’ll face in the future and get wrecked? So they do matter or don’t matter? I’m getting mixed signals here.

If you aren’t going to play a class, then it makes sense to want that class nerfed regardless of whether it is OP or not.

style.6173:

Anyone who argues that Mesmer is balanced is either 1. a Mesmer 2. someone who doesn’t play the game.

No I do not play mesmer. I am however finding them alot more easy to deal with them then let’s say last week. So my question is have you been playing GW2 lately or just type on forums instead? And ele is even less “OP” then mesmer, I’m loving this patch!! What you are saying is realy just an opinion, so is mine but at least I’m adepting and getting better

I’ve been seeing fewer of them too, outside of mesmer dailies.

Situations.2416:

Exciton.8942:

lighter.2708:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

you can go ask every abjured member, if mesmer is op, they will say yes..

Because they gonna face mesmers in WTS final and already finding excuses for potential losses?
Yeah, mesmer is strong atm but the whatever profession balance is hardly matters in all the ESL matches.

Wait what , this completely contradicts what you have been saying. Your whole point was that mesmer is ineffective and backpack could play on any class and do well. But now you’re saying the entire abjured lineup is whining about mesmers because of mesmers they’ll face in the future and get wrecked? So they do matter or don’t matter? I’m getting mixed signals here.

From which sentence you inferred that I think mesmer is ineffective?
Let me reiterate, an inexperienced player playing mesmer would be ineffective. This is just the same as any other profession. Backpack wasn’t good in that video at all! He was contributing very little.
Also mesmer is strong atm, but it won’t carry inexperienced player anywhere.

Eh…PvP is dead b/c Anet refuses to maintain a reasonable balance cadence. People can forgive things being OP, especially for a short while after a big patch. However, as I said pre-patch, the most important thing is that they are willing to carry out small balance patches frequently to respond to those OP things.

They have failed miserably…and the game languishes as a result. They are so scared to make frequent/small changes that it destroys all sense of competition and just promotes bandwagoning to play the fotm OP build that dominates after every major overhaul. This is also why people so passionately defend their class before patches, because if you end up on the weak side like rangers, you have to wait another 6-months to a year before they try again. By that time, you have probably already moved on.

BlackBeard.2873:

Eh…PvP is dead b/c Anet refuses to maintain a reasonable balance cadence. People can forgive things being OP, especially for a short while after a big patch. However, as I said pre-patch, the most important thing is that they are willing to carry out small balance patches frequently to respond to those OP things.

They have failed miserably…and the game languishes as a result. They are so scared to make frequent/small changes that it destroys all sense of competition and just promotes bandwagoning to play the fotm OP build that dominates after every major overhaul. This is also why people so passionately defend their class before patches, because if you end up on the weak side like rangers, you have to wait another 6-months to a year before they try again. By that time, you have probably already moved on.

and that’s why we see 10.000 rangers everywhere, pvp unranked/ranked wvw I see them everywhere good ones and bad, just not in the elite ultra organized top tournaments on stream maybe, bear in mind one team can only harbour 5 classes per team… and people do tend to copy/mimic and the supertop is very small too in numbers. It could be an explenation to why we don’t always see all classes on stream… stop comparing.

Exciton.8942:

Situations.2416:

Exciton.8942:

lighter.2708:

Extreme.8350:

Kenmei.7138:

Mesmer is totally braindead class right now mostly for “wannabe pros”. Except the good ones prepatch, 90% of them are totally carried by the OP class mechanics.

Yes , it’s a rant post.

I have played against ur guild visceral effect and they are totally brainless too
We dont see abjured with mesmer hmm i wonder why

you can go ask every abjured member, if mesmer is op, they will say yes..

Because they gonna face mesmers in WTS final and already finding excuses for potential losses?
Yeah, mesmer is strong atm but the whatever profession balance is hardly matters in all the ESL matches.

Wait what , this completely contradicts what you have been saying. Your whole point was that mesmer is ineffective and backpack could play on any class and do well. But now you’re saying the entire abjured lineup is whining about mesmers because of mesmers they’ll face in the future and get wrecked? So they do matter or don’t matter? I’m getting mixed signals here.

From which sentence you inferred that I think mesmer is ineffective?
Let me reiterate, an inexperienced player playing mesmer would be ineffective. This is just the same as any other profession. Backpack wasn’t good in that video at all! He was contributing very little.
Also mesmer is strong atm, but it won’t carry inexperienced player anywhere.

You’re right. Bursting anyone with a zerker or marauder amulet from stealth and killing them in one combo is not overpowered.

Especially not with your blinds, invulnerable, stealth, ports and clones.

I feel like I should suggest playing a mesmer for yourself(and no, not in hotjoin) because you know, you should probably have some sort of understanding of the class before suggesting changes. But I also feel like that suggestion would fall on deaf ears because 90% of you aren’t interested in real balance or making mesmer balanced(FYI I’m not a blindly supportive mesmer, there are several things I think should be changed) and you just want to whine and exaggerate, because for you, there’s no downside to mesmer getting nerfed since you have no intention of ever playing the class.

People got used to pretty much anything but pro-mesmers never really being a threat so now that you can’t eat a full burst to the face it’s the end of days.

Just to give some perspective, necromancers were(and probably still are) very lacking when it comes to most game modes, especially when compared to the all-star classes that are usually in every match. But does anyone but necromancers really care about that? Not really, because if you don’t and have no intention to play necromancer, why should you care?

Burns and Mesmers are not the reason why teams got in WTS. They are not the reason why Abjured is best team NA.

If this was half true then every team from EU and NA would be running Burn Guard, Ele, and Mesmer comps... burn guards are definitely not as strong in higher tier pvp so that rules out burning being the culprit.

There’s a few class mechanics I absolutely dislike about the Mesmer... for starters it’s a low skill high reward class that can’t be countered as easily as other classes.

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Burns and Mesmers are not the reason why teams got in WTS. They are not the reason why Abjured is best team NA.

If this was half true then every team from EU and NA would be running Burn Guard, Ele, and Mesmer comps… burn guards are definitely not as strong in higher tier pvp so that rules out burning being the culprit.

There’s a few class mechanics I absolutely dislike about the Mesmer… for starters it’s a low skill high reward class that can’t be countered as easily as other classes.

idk about NA but EU do run mesmers and eles atm….
2v2 esl was even worse, 99% of the team either had ele or mes or both~

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Anyone who argues that Mesmer is balanced is either 1. a Mesmer 2. someone who doesn’t play the game.

I totally agree.

But shhh, dont say that on mesmer foruns, cuz they will rage at u like “learn 2 play” “learn to counter” “you’re a noob”.

Im not a SUPER BAD A** PRO player, but tbh the only profession i cant deal in PVP are those shatterrupter mantra mesmers…