Guild Wars 2

Title^. Cya later pips. Might just be a l2p issue I guess. #foreverEmerald

Don’t feel too bad, I lost a match 499- 502 and lost a pip. I’ve had at least 3 games where the team scored over 450 points, lost and lost a pip. I get a loss is loss, but to lose progress over that close of a game is kind of silly.

You guys obviously don’t know how to win and you know what? …….. Me too, I’m stuck at Emerald…

Mysticjedi.6053:

I get a loss is loss

he said he won

Hmm, where you in a premade?

I queue solo exclusively and were in matches where I was awarded a pip despite us losing. Since we have no idea what the award thresholds are, I think we were given a pip because the final scores were close and we went against a full premade.

I didn’t even see the game but I already know one of your party must have dc’d mid-match. You conveniently left that out right?

well i lost game 470-500 and got 2 pips

Just won 500-400 something against a sapphire-ruby-diamond team and everyone in my team lost 2 pips.

I just won 500 – 150 and lost a pip.

In the process I’ve had so far I lost 2 games and won 1 pip on each. I’m Sapphire T4 btw (I don’t remember when those games happened, but this bug really needs to get fixed)

Just lost two pips winning 500-300, this is either the worst design in pvp history (all games included) or this is a filthy mistake that should see a programmer fired. I don’t know which senario i hate more.

Browrain.7346:

I didn’t even see the game but I already know one of your party must have dc’d mid-match. You conveniently left that out right?

Conveniently left that out? I didn’t know that was a thing or why the kitten it would be a thing. If it’s a bug, why has it not been fixed already? Why should everyone in the match be punished because of someone that I queued with dc’d from the game and couldn’t get back in? Recently it seems some people at arena net don’t care anymore or are just getting lazy.

I want blood for this

Its actually a good design. If you are playing against bad people for example and win only with 80p ahead you should lose pips. You also get pips when you lose against good premades by only a few points. We lost against Amsterdams premade 500:450 and got 2 pips everyone was ruby. I think the division is not the main factor.

So far I didn’t have any reasons to complain, as I still have fun in pvp, but this evening I queued with my sister and we won the match 500 vs. 277.

We had 2 duos in our team and 1 solo (all emerald) vs. a full premade (4 emerald and 1 amber). We didn’t lose a pip and didn’t get one either.

How much higher should we have won the match to earn a pip?

PS: I think I wouldn’t really have noticed this, but with this pip, we would have reached the next tier.

dominik.9721:

Its actually a good design. If you are playing against bad people for example and win only with 80p ahead you should lose pips. You also get pips when you lose against good premades by only a few points. We lost against Amsterdams premade 500:450 and got 2 pips everyone was ruby. I think the division is not the main factor.

No its not good design because such calculations are still just a probability calculation not an actual reflection of reality of the respective skills of the players. A win is a win and should be treated as such. I would really hope anet would comment on circumstances like this and provide assurances that such design decisions will be removed for next season.

If you are winning as premade against vingador and 4 randoms 500:499 it should also get treated like that – meaning you deserve to lose pips.
Same like you deserve to win a pip when you are losing a close match against a team which actually should 500:0 you.

dominik.9721:

If you are winning as premade against vingador and 4 randoms 500:499 it should also get treated like that – meaning you deserve to lose pips.
Same like you deserve to win a pip when you are losing a close match against a team which actually should 500:0 you.

No pips should be awarded for any win versus his highness.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

So it shouldn’t have happened?

Yep, just won a game 500-200 and lost 2 pips.

Edit: I also got dishonour eventho I never dc’d from the match. Afaik no one else dc’d either.

So this makes me not want to play until I see a response from Evan.

morrolan.9608:

So this makes me not want to play until I see a response from Evan.

I wouldn’t play ranked for now.

If there’s a bug that’s hindering climbing, then they need to solve it before people bother playing.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

Fix incoming after the season ends, I’m sure.

bLind.6278:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

Fix incoming after the season ends, I’m sure.

Evan has been very helpful on this forum before he doesn’t deserve that.

bLind.6278:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

Fix incoming after the season ends, I’m sure.

you stop it xD they’ve started to wake up! we received some hotfixes this week

and this issue, they’re aware of it since the Helseth drama, they just didn’t figured out how to fix it yet. It’s really an urgent issue imo.

(sounds like I’m defending Anet? Am I doing it? I can’t believe…)

Asato.5479:

bLind.6278:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

Fix incoming after the season ends, I’m sure.

you stop it xD they’ve started to wake up! we received some hotfixes this week

and this issue, they’re aware of it since the Helseth drama, they just didn’t figured out how to fix it yet. It’s really an urgent issue imo.

(sounds like I’m defending Anet? Am I doing it? I can’t believe…)

This seems worse than what happened to Helseth though. There doesn’t appear to be a DC in this case. Although I guess if there’d been wholesale pip losses after wins there’d be a huge ruckus here a by now and there hasn’t been.

morrolan.9608:

Asato.5479:

bLind.6278:

Evan Lesh.3295:

We are investigating this issue.

Fix incoming after the season ends, I’m sure.

you stop it xD they’ve started to wake up! we received some hotfixes this week

and this issue, they’re aware of it since the Helseth drama, they just didn’t figured out how to fix it yet. It’s really an urgent issue imo.

(sounds like I’m defending Anet? Am I doing it? I can’t believe…)

This seems worse than what happened to Helseth though. There doesn’t appear to be a DC in this case. Although I guess if there’d been wholesale pip losses after wins there’d be a huge ruckus here a by now and there hasn’t been.

Well OP said he queued with someone who DC-d. Though, I can’t exclude cases without DC but making the winning team lose pips. Yeah that would be worse.
But what I meant was that an DC making his whole winning teammates lose pips is a known issue. If you connect back and win, it shouldn’t happen.

It happened to me once (or twice?) that I DC from a game but I’ve been able to come back and win; I remember not losing pips but gaining 1. So this would let me believe that’s something that could happens sometimes but not systematically. Or am I wrong?
Anyway, it’s happening more frequently (from my observations on forum) and all we can do is to hope it’ll get fixed the sooner possible. Because Anet is already aware of this issue.

Pips are seemingly assigned and taken away mostly randomly… also, when you’re at 4 pips, it seems there’s a higher likelihood you’re gonna be matched up against a team that will absolutely destroy you, dropping you 1-2 pips. I’ve won matches and not gained a pip, lost matches and gained, won and lost, lost by like 3 points and lost 2 pips, and pulled off upsets and gotten nothing. It’s a roll of the dice, much like team comp. People bag on people saying they suck at their class and should kill themselves, but honestly it comes down to was an Amber person just starting PvP put on a team with 4 diamond players with twitch channels.

is like winning and losing is only a factor that slightly improves the chances you get pips.

An Example would be:

IF YOU WON A MATCH:

Roll 1 d-six. If you get number 1, you lose 2 pips, 2 means you don’t get nothing for the win, 3-4-5 means you get a pip, 6 means you get 2 pips and roll another dice (that could even result in you lossing the pips again)

seriously now, I think the idea is good design the problem is the way people are manipulating it or misleading (sometimes not even on purpose) it by playing with amber/emerald guys significanly lowering the comp total “division count” (has the same value as the mmr).

The game trys to match people with similar ods of winning based on leagues and mmr, and that can already fail hard when people put a amber in the middle of a diamond premade.

But that gets even more scary when it mixes with this background system that allows unbalanced matches with customized rewards.

So… things like… Diamond+Amber fights ruby-emerald…. ruby-emerald team loses and lost 2 pips… and get angry because there was a kitten diamond on enemy side.

Yes… but that amber (he is diamond player too on a spare account) is faking the total “league count” of the system.