Guild Wars 2

So…

I was playing Ranked. Actually 1 member of our team disconnected for 1-2min.
BUT WE WON the game.
This was the only game I did between the ladder update every hour.
When I looked it up I had 1 more LOSS and !!!!!!3!!!!!! minuspoints……….

How is this possible?
Is this a known issue?
I didn´t left the match, i didn´t disconnected………..

Esports.
The same reason you get matched with me despite the obviously huge mmr gap. Sorry, hypothetical mmr.

Were you in a party with that person? If so then I think their d/c counts for you as well.

Another example of how thoughtful Arena’s design is. Needs a change.

yeah I was in a party with the disconnecting person, but he was only away for 1min~
He came back, we turned the match and won.
We don´t know if he also got 3minuspoints because he played more than 1 match in that Update-Hour
But for me I have the 10000000% proof I got a Loss and 3 Minuspoints for a Win we fought very hard for in a semi 4 vs 5….

working as intended.

if you queue up with someone with a bad connection, everyone you queue with suffers a desertion if he ruins a match by not being there for a long time.

this is the most stupid system I ever saw in my entire life

actually we won because the disconnected person and I were killing the lord

even punishing one person with a DISCONNECT is stupid
punishing everyone is … like I said… the most stupid thing in the world lol

where do they hire the ppl coming to ideas like that?

it isnt punishing everyone. the people on your team and not in your party get a bye if you lose. they get a win if you win.

its there so parties dont abuse the 4v5/desertion/bye system for less penalties, because its easy to organize timely quitting in parties because your friends are more likely to listen to the wishes of the group.

because your party gets desertions if at least 1 of you dc for more than about a minute. even if you reconnect. cuz it wrecks the game. the community doesnt want to deal with 4v5s because some little baby got spiked and ragequit, so you get to find out how harsh the system can be when your behavior mimics a ragers, even unintentional mimicry.

stop dodging the kittens

anet isnt bad at programming, otherwise you wouldnt be playing

however they do need to get their act together about the ladderboards

1/4… not such a good record for making points. calm down. =/

The 29/3/15 1:48 CET Update EUleaderboard

Like I said, I actually noticed this just because I only did that 1 match

insanemaniac.2456:

because your party gets desertions if at least 1 of you dc for more than about a minute. even if you reconnect. cuz it wrecks the game. the community doesnt want to deal with 4v5s because some little baby got spiked and ragequit, so you get to find out how harsh the system can be when your behavior mimics a ragers, even unintentional mimicry.

stop dodging the kittens

anet isnt bad at programming, otherwise you wouldnt be playing

however they do need to get their act together about the ladderboards

1/4… not such a good record for making points. calm down. =/

That’s the most straight damage control I’ve seen. You getting paid for every post?

You know there are times when people’s computers and internet connections are not the ones at fault. Times where the client suddenly decides to drop you out of the game. It has happened in ESL cups and other top tournaments. I agree that the person that dropped can be punished if we’re looking from a certain perspective, but people that played the whole game trying to win just because someone dced? Come on now..

Burn.5401:

insanemaniac.2456:

because your party gets desertions if at least 1 of you dc for more than about a minute. even if you reconnect. cuz it wrecks the game. the community doesnt want to deal with 4v5s because some little baby got spiked and ragequit, so you get to find out how harsh the system can be when your behavior mimics a ragers, even unintentional mimicry.

stop dodging the kittens

anet isnt bad at programming, otherwise you wouldnt be playing

however they do need to get their act together about the ladderboards

1/4… not such a good record for making points. calm down. =/

That’s the most straight damage control I’ve seen. You getting paid for every post?

You know there are times when people’s computers and internet connections are not the ones at fault. Times where the client suddenly decides to drop you out of the game. It has happened in ESL cups and other top tournaments. I agree that the person that dropped can be punished if we’re looking from a certain perspective, but people that played the whole game trying to win just because someone dced? Come on now..

I believe there is a small grace period to reconnect to the game. That would probably cover most random glitches allowing you to log back into the game before the penalty. It has already explained why the people “grouped” with the person get punished if its passes the grace period. You can choose to buy the explanation or not. Maybe they can make it so only a one point loss happens in this situation for the group but winning in this situation is a total outlier and almost never happens but if it does I agree you shouldn’t get minus 3 points.

I got DC’d over the weekend due to some weird lag spike on my network. I logged back in after a minute or two, no rewards for winning. No nothing. The timer is a bit out of sorts.

EDIT: Full scenario: The load screen took up the entire prematch timer and 30 seconds into the beginning of the game. I didn’t get rewards for the win.

Burn.5401:

That’s the most straight damage control I’ve seen. You getting paid for every post?

are you kittening kidding me.

basically, i hate stupid. and in this thread, there was ignorance, rage, and stupid. the post that mine was in response to is now deleted for dodging the kitten filter. you probably dont even have any idea what he wrote.

Thiefz.3695:

I got DC’d over the weekend due to some weird lag spike on my network. I logged back in after a minute or two, no rewards for winning. No nothing. The timer is a bit out of sorts.

EDIT: Full scenario: The load screen took up the entire prematch timer and 30 seconds into the beginning of the game. I didn’t get rewards for the win.

It would help immensely if they could explain how it works exactly and put it somewhere. I am not even positive how long the grace period is. I hear 30 seconds a lot but again its not written officially anywhere I know but a buried forum post. Also, I think logging out during prematch timer counts toward grace period but again not positive.

Evan Lesh.3295:

I found the match. Looks like you had an 80% change of winning (the highest odds bracket) and you deserted (by disconnecting) so the game was considered a loss for you resulting in -3 points.

Based on this it seems that the system considered his teammate disconnecting as a disconnect and loss for the whole party regardless of the fact that they reconnected and went on to win the match. That seems backwards to me.

It is written down. It is 60 seconds. If you are gone for the whole Pre game timer (That is longer than 60 seconds), then you and your party gets desertion. This is also compounding 60 grace. You can DC for 20s twice and 9 seconds the third time and still be good. As long as you do not total over 60 seconds.

The OP was partied with this player, so he gets the desertion status as well = Negative 3 pts. IMO the 60 second grace period is plenty and shouldn’t be changed. I also think that the 2 minutes prior to match start should not count; as it does not effect the game. I have seen many people with issues getting DC’ed upon first entry. They come back right before the game starts but it doesn’t matter (they have been gone 2 minutes).

Evan Lesh.3295:

Only people who disconnect get desertions. Their teammates will get get a win or a forfeit.

Update: 4/5 players on the winning team had desertions.

If you are partied with the deserting player, you too get a desertion. That is why he is asking. He was not the one that disconnected, but his friend in his party did. Must have been in a party of 4 if they all received desertion status. Their 5th solo Q’er was unaffected because he was not in party.

Evan says he disconnected.

Maybe the OP was somehow detected as the one who disconnected falsely?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Only people who disconnect get desertions. Their teammates will get get a win or a forfeit.

Update: 4/5 players on the winning team had desertions.

Was it because they were in a party with person who left for a minute?

Update : ah yeah. Hehe there was a huge thread when this logic was introduced but we were told it’s on purpose, no? One person in the party disconnects, everyone else gets punished. Because reasons.

Yes, that is what was said. Here is one of the couple threads there was confirming https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Party-members-will-receive-a-desertion/first (Near bottom of first page confirms/ clarifies). Justin said:

“To clarify, I am not using party and team interchangeably.
If you play solo, you will never lose ladder standing because someone else on your team deserted.
If you play with a party, you will never lose ladder standing because someone else on your team, but not in your party, deserted.
If you are the deserter, no matter who wins, you will take a full loss worth of ladder standing regardless of outcome.
If you play with a party, and someone on your party deserts then everyone in the party will take a full loss worth of ladder standing regardless of outcome.
You will only earn ladder standing if the losing team did not have deserters, with the assumption that the game wasn’t a valid challenge between teams.
If both teams have deserters, the game does not count for ladder standing at all.
The point in emphasis is probably controversial to some, but we feel it is necessary to prevent exploits, and permissible because of the grace period.
Edit: Clarifying two points.
Edit 2: Corrected the emphasized text with what was intended. Thanks, Arvid.3829.”

1. Yeah we were a party of 4

2. Only 1 disconnected for 1min-2min

3. We still won

4. All of us 4 get -3 Points

5. For me 2-3 days of pvp to catch up that (-3 instead of +1) difference of 4 points

@Evan Lesh: I don’t think any GM will give me back my points?

For me a team which is starting the first 1-2min 4vs5 and still wins should get extra points and not -3^^

No one is going to give your points back. That is the punishment for everyone that plays the game. This is the best way they could figure it out to prevent exploits. As in, if there is a couple minutes left in the match (and you are going to lose), pay a party member who doesn’t care about LB’s to leave so you don’t lose rankings. This way you get punished for your party member leaving and it cannot be exploited.

I believe it was Justin in a thread who said , “If they are prone to disconnects, it is your own risk and maybe you shouldn’t party with them”.

This literally was the only way to prevent exploit. If someone not in your party disconnects and you win, you still gain points. If they leave and you lose..you lose normal points. Their actions do not affect you so as to not be exploitable as well.

If you win though 4-5 I think its pretty obvious that they weren’t trying to game the system to avoid a loss and the non-disconnecting people should not get dinged. Maybe not get win credit but just zero points. Surely they could program that in? This is a rare situation though. Even 2 minutes missing one guy should doom you in a semi-competitve match.

We tried to fight for that in the beginning. Justin said he would take it the the staff to see if the exception can be implemented on a 4v5 win that you still gain points. He said on page 2 “I’m going to bring up the ‘party has deserter but won’ scenario with the team.” but nothing has ever came of it. If you win still, even with the disadvantage, IMO you should still get the win. The rules just cannot change for a loss, or it is exploitable.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Puppet.8139:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Only people who disconnect get desertions. Their teammates will get get a win or a forfeit.

Update: 4/5 players on the winning team had desertions.

If you are partied with the deserting player, you too get a desertion. That is why he is asking. He was not the one that disconnected, but his friend in his party did. Must have been in a party of 4 if they all received desertion status. Their 5th solo Q’er was unaffected because he was not in party.

This is true. It was a 4/1 split and all 4 party members got a desertion. I will have to loop in other people as this was not something I was involved in!

pretty sure justin would be the guy to talk to