It’s awful. Would 100% rather have shoutbow vs DD ele then this kitten.
It’s awful. Would 100% rather have shoutbow vs DD ele then this kitten.
Even two druids fighting each other are way better than this
That was actually my most loved time in GW2. Condi Survival Ranger was actually really strong then so ranger was actually relevent… unlike now where I see a ranger on my team and I think “$#!% a ranger!?”
It’s probably the most interesting meta so far.
That was actually my most loved time in GW2. Condi Survival Ranger was actually really strong then so ranger was actually relevent… unlike now where I see a ranger on my team and I think “$#!% a ranger!?”
You know that druid it STRONK, very viable and on every top team?
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what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.
Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game
- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
there are too many skills that give you “the good type of survivability” which is invulnerability (and not hp or protection) so you can easily make a huge dmg build while being immortal most of the time
- theres even more cheese in the game
- the quickness change/nerf/most ridiculous and useless update completely butchered warriors up and now they are unplayable on a higher level in pvp because half of your skills are slow as hell and you can’t burst / do unexpected quick burst damages for kitten
- The problem is that it doesn’t matter if HoT is b2p because even if you buy hot, you can still get someone without hot in your team and be handicapped because of it. So arena net has to either make the expansion B2p , either make the elite specs available for spvp to people with only the base game or this kitten will forever remain imbalanced, due to the fact that the elite specs are a joke and that half of the people have no access to them and that affects you (even if you have HoT) as well because the game format is 5v5 in the end.
I don’t know how kittening hard is it to see these things or think about them beforehand, you have to remember and understand that these people are ‘professionals’ and get paid to do this , yet the decisions they take are utterly kittened.
Also D/D vs shoutbow wasn’t even bad because both of them had clear flaws – no disengage, focus them with 2 ppl in a team fight and they melt, especially shoutbow warrs. The meta wasn’t bad at all cus zerker builds worked then too and there was more to it than just shoutbow or d/d.
plus the patch before HoT was the most balanced one i’ve played because both raw dmg and condi dmg builds were more or less fair on all classes (especially warriors) and there werent clear favorites
heart of throrns is the worst thing to happen to this game’s pvp
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The problems you listed were already there from June on.
I can tell you this as a D/D thief who has got no utility but raw fight.
Rangers, Guards, Warrior, Mesmer, Eles had multiple, sometimes passive invulnerabilities, they could go tanky and still dish out an insane amount of damage, or they could go full zerker and be protected by their invulnerabilities.
what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game
- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
there are too many skills that give you “the good type of survivability” which is invulnerability (and not hp or protection) so you can easily make a huge dmg build while being immortal most of the time
- theres even more cheese in the game
- the quickness change/nerf/most ridiculous and useless update completely butchered warriors up and now they are unplayable on a higher level in pvp because half of your skills are slow as hell and you can’t burst / do unexpected quick burst damages for kitten
- The problem is that it doesn’t matter if HoT is b2p because even if you buy hot, you can still get someone without hot in your team and be handicapped because of it. So arena net has to either make the expansion B2p , either make the elite specs available for spvp to people with only the base game or this kitten will forever remain imbalanced, due to the fact that the elite specs are a joke and that half of the people have no access to them and that affects you (even if you have HoT) as well because the game format is 5v5 in the end.I don’t know how kittening hard is it to see these things or think about them beforehand, you have to remember and understand that these people are ‘professionals’ and get paid to do this , yet the decisions they take are utterly kittened.
Also D/D vs shoutbow wasn’t even bad because both of them had clear flaws – no disengage, focus them with 2 ppl in a team fight and they melt, especially shoutbow warrs. The meta wasn’t bad at all cus zerker builds worked then too and there was more to it than just shoutbow or d/d.
plus the patch before HoT was the most balanced one i’ve played because both raw dmg and condi dmg builds were more or less fair on all classes (especially warriors) and there werent clear favorites
heart of throrns is the worst thing to happen to this game’s pvp
This needs to be repeated every single morning to Anet for it to sink in. The sPvP in this game is in the worst state I’ve ever played.
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The problems you listed were already there from June on.
I can tell you this as a D/D thief who has got no utility but raw fight.
Rangers, Guards, Warrior, Mesmer, Eles had multiple, sometimes passive invulnerabilities, they could go tanky and still dish out an insane amount of damage, or they could go full zerker and be protected by their invulnerabilities.
To be fair though, thief has been messed up for a long time. I say this as a thief main. Sometime last year when Anet nerved S/D and left us with dagger/X and deception spam as our only viable build.
I agree with everything Incisorr said. For all other classes, there is no trade-off anymore; you can dish lots of damage AND throw down invulnerability, stab, stealth (for lots of classes), heals, etc.
The only class that actually has to trade survivability for burst anymore (i.e., the only class that is close to being actually balanced) is thief.
As far the June changes go, yes those obviously contribute to problem. It’s a combination of June updates and HoT that has made the new meta just ridiculous.
I’d be fine if Anet undid every change in the last 18 months, including changes to WvW.
I remember when the June updates went out and a lot of us were like “Hey, what’s going on?” Many in the community came on the forums in response and said “Give it a few months, everyone will love it” and “There are fewer useless builds now, it’s all good.” Just as many useless builds as before, it turns out, but less balance and more faceroll garbage builds.
Just to be clear, I’m not QQing because I don’t win enough on PvP, or because I want my build to be OP while everyone else gets nerfed. I’m man enough to take my losses in PvP, and I choose to run S/D knowing full well it underpowered in any form. I will keep running S/D because it’s my favorite play style, whether Anet buffs it or not.
I just want balance for the health and quality of the game.
(edited by that baby stealing dingo.7216)
I agree with what you said.
I only mentioned me being a D/D thief because it’s the purest form of combat this game has – no invulnerability, no utility and I need to hit my target to stealth – so all the extras of other classes hurt me a lot – and that’s probably why I notice them more than others do.
I think its the best its ever been but i role ranger, and ranger is more useful than ever.
Pvp is kittening broken,too much cheese..Its unbelievable how these kittening idiots keep kittening this kitten up over and over and over.
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That was actually my most loved time in GW2. Condi Survival Ranger was actually really strong then so ranger was actually relevent… unlike now where I see a ranger on my team and I think “$#!% a ranger!?”
You know that druid it STRONK, very viable and on every top team?
Every top team?
oRNG? Yes.
55’? Yes.
Abjured? Nope.
TCG? Nope.
I don’t remember more “top teams”, maybe Vermilion, but I’ve skipped all their games lately.
So it’s not even close to be as popular/strong as Tempest…
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what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game
- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
This is where you lost me. When you included Daredevil as a tanky, high damage class. That’s like calling Cheerios “gourmet cuisine”. Daredevil has middling mediocre damage.
PvP was almost an eSport about 16 months ago, it felt that every class was almost perfectly balanced, with only a few builds that were kinda questionable (like turret engi). It all went downhill since then and there is no indication that it will ever get back to be as great as it once was, specially considering how they’ve made some of the same mistakes again with the elite professions like tempest.
People used to complain about 10k backstabs from a medium class. Now you get heavy classes doing 14k 1200 range hits on a ridiculously low cooldown. How did that get by testing?
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PvP was almost an eSport about 16 months ago, it felt that every class was almost perfectly balanced, with only a few builds that were kinda questionable (like turret engi). It all went downhill since then and there is no indication that it will ever get back to be as great as it once was, specially considering how they’ve made some of the same mistakes again with the elite professions like tempest.
People used to complain about 10k backstabs from a medium class. Now you get heavy classes doing 14k 1200 range hits on a ridiculously low cooldown. How did that get by testing?
+1
The ferocity patch probably was the best that could happen to this game.
Although thief was kind of forced to go zerker as the damage otherwise wouldn’t be enough to survive – maybe that was true for all classes – I just know thief best.
And I do wonder if that really was intended and if so what went wrong this June.
Looking at it objectively, the meta is in a really good spot with only thief and warrior being outliers.
Every meta is the worst meta. At least according to forums.
It’s awful. Would 100% rather have shoutbow vs DD ele then this kitten.
Na, Dhuumfire meta is the worst. It was the day a single trait killed most of the PvP community it was that bad.
There are a ton of stuff that needs to be fixed, nerfed and buffed. ArenaNet is aware of this, I just hope they understand what needs changing.
Every meta is the worst meta. At least according to forums.
The most factually accurate statement in this thread.
Every meta is the worst meta. At least according to forums.
The most factually accurate statement in this thread.
the forum always hates the meta.
im unsure if im enjoying this meta or the shoutbow meta better. i think perhaps my old engi was more fun than scrapper, & bunk warriors golden age was such a nice time to be a warrior, so i might have to say shoutbow was the best but its not a hard distinction.
Every meta is the worst meta because every meta a new profession is risen to the top, and 2 are dropped to the worst possible states they could be left in. With each new occurring meta more passive immunity, more invulnerability become ever more present. In each meta professions lack overall balance and are never on a even playing field.
That is why every meta is the worst meta. There has never been a good meta. Too much always remains out of balance, outta wack or just plain unsporting. It is the reason the PvP community never grows, the reason esports has never really attracted the numbers other esports has and why the forums are in a perpetual state of complaint.
If you asked each PvP’er to rate the PvP in game out of 5, well..how many lack luster reviews does it take before it is realised the product is not in it’s optional state and needs a firmer direction and balance.
I, myself don’t care anymore because PvP since day one has had more overwhelming issues than positives. For me it is just a fast way to achieve daily and get back out again.
hellno! hambow meta was the worst.
condi meta was close.
i actually prefer trap guards than last meta’s burn guards.
The meta shifts every few days… I like it. Every day there is something new and interesting to fight… today I saw a LB / S+Sh Berserker carry an entire team in Khylo. Not used to Shoutbow actually doing damage was cool.
That was actually my most loved time in GW2. Condi Survival Ranger was actually really strong then so ranger was actually relevent… unlike now where I see a ranger on my team and I think “$#!% a ranger!?”
Druid is really strong, and they haven’t nerfed rangers… they’re still good. Are you sure your mmr isn’t low?
what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game
- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
there are too many skills that give you “the good type of survivability” which is invulnerability (and not hp or protection) so you can easily make a huge dmg build while being immortal most of the time
- theres even more cheese in the game
- the quickness change/nerf/most ridiculous and useless update completely butchered warriors up and now they are unplayable on a higher level in pvp because half of your skills are slow as hell and you can’t burst / do unexpected quick burst damages for kitten
- The problem is that it doesn’t matter if HoT is b2p because even if you buy hot, you can still get someone without hot in your team and be handicapped because of it. So arena net has to either make the expansion B2p , either make the elite specs available for spvp to people with only the base game or this kitten will forever remain imbalanced, due to the fact that the elite specs are a joke and that half of the people have no access to them and that affects you (even if you have HoT) as well because the game format is 5v5 in the end.I don’t know how kittening hard is it to see these things or think about them beforehand, you have to remember and understand that these people are ‘professionals’ and get paid to do this , yet the decisions they take are utterly kittened.
Also D/D vs shoutbow wasn’t even bad because both of them had clear flaws – no disengage, focus them with 2 ppl in a team fight and they melt, especially shoutbow warrs. The meta wasn’t bad at all cus zerker builds worked then too and there was more to it than just shoutbow or d/d.
plus the patch before HoT was the most balanced one i’ve played because both raw dmg and condi dmg builds were more or less fair on all classes (especially warriors) and there werent clear favorites
heart of throrns is the worst thing to happen to this game’s pvp
Bumping this so the world will know of Anets sin
what “META” dude, ROFL. The game got broken as kitten because Anet went the greedy road and released ridiculous and overpowered specs only to get more cash and then they decided to silence everyone with bans instead of responding to them properly or logically like they used to do in the past,
now they are just like every other kittenty cash grabbing company.Im gonna list the problems with this game in a short and understandable manner so maybe if we’re lucky the ceo of arena net is gonna be checking forums while drunk and see my post by chance and then on the next morning get a brain and fix the game
- the elite specs are kittening overpowered as kitten
- before when you wanted to do something you had to sacrifice something else for it, for example to do dmg you had to sacrifice survivabiltiy (unless you were mesmer cause the class is a joke) , now with the new specs you can be tanky as kitten and do 500 million damage (daredevil tempest chronocancer reaper revenant,DRAGONHUNTER, etc)
there are too many skills that give you “the good type of survivability” which is invulnerability (and not hp or protection) so you can easily make a huge dmg build while being immortal most of the time
- theres even more cheese in the game
- the quickness change/nerf/most ridiculous and useless update completely butchered warriors up and now they are unplayable on a higher level in pvp because half of your skills are slow as hell and you can’t burst / do unexpected quick burst damages for kitten
- The problem is that it doesn’t matter if HoT is b2p because even if you buy hot, you can still get someone without hot in your team and be handicapped because of it. So arena net has to either make the expansion B2p , either make the elite specs available for spvp to people with only the base game or this kitten will forever remain imbalanced, due to the fact that the elite specs are a joke and that half of the people have no access to them and that affects you (even if you have HoT) as well because the game format is 5v5 in the end.I don’t know how kittening hard is it to see these things or think about them beforehand, you have to remember and understand that these people are ‘professionals’ and get paid to do this , yet the decisions they take are utterly kittened.
Also D/D vs shoutbow wasn’t even bad because both of them had clear flaws – no disengage, focus them with 2 ppl in a team fight and they melt, especially shoutbow warrs. The meta wasn’t bad at all cus zerker builds worked then too and there was more to it than just shoutbow or d/d.
plus the patch before HoT was the most balanced one i’ve played because both raw dmg and condi dmg builds were more or less fair on all classes (especially warriors) and there werent clear favorites
heart of throrns is the worst thing to happen to this game’s pvp
Bumping this so the world will know of Anets sin
I’ve also noticed Arena Net starting to delete very constructive and well written threads about some of the games major issues. They have never done that in the past and always had very good communication with the community, showed lots of respect towards their customers.
Now a day’s you can really tell how the company has changed in that regard. More of a dictator type of tone. The main Esport scene that Arena Net is trying to break into are brutally honest when it comes to how they feel about a game.
Hope Arena Net learns to take constructive feedback like they used to. Too much trash companies already plaque the gaming industry with greed and treating their customers like garbage.
We definitely don’t need those type of companies in the Esport scene.
The past is always rose-colored.
Always.
The meta shifts every few days… I like it. Every day there is something new and interesting to fight… today I saw a LB / S+Sh Berserker carry an entire team in Khylo. Not used to Shoutbow actually doing damage was cool.
If this post is serious, I’m intrigued.
While pvp is playable with a group, it is much less fun tbh. There aren’t many critical plays. Everyone just spams stuff on rotation, and all that matters is rotations and positioning.
There isn’t as much interesting interactions like: “Ok, a warrior just popped both stances…lets back off and then strike when he is vulnerably b/c he has no defense for a long while.” Not many opportunities for big-plays like interrupting a heal, because everyone uses heals that are not interruptible (withdraw, healing turret, healing signet, infuse light, etc.). It really just seems pvp is getting into fights of attrition where the winner is the guy that maintained higher sustain/damage, not one that set up important plays or coordinated bursts.
Many builds have a million blocks/invulns/hard mitigation that they can chain together for a long time, with enough healing/soft defense to survive indefinitely.
Most builds do way more damage than old builds, with more survivability. It is like they set the bar at old D/D ele, and made sure every other class surpassed that. Power-creep is a terrible thing b/c it actually makes the game WAY less skill-based.
Worst of all, they were supposed to balance more frequently with HoT, but that went by the way-side.
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I like this meta. Not even all the builds and combinations have been tried yet, and I like it. Plus, I’m really enjoying thieves not having safety nets from shadow arts and vampirism runes’ mist. It’s much more like the old style which was actually fun. All the invulnerabilities, evade skills, blurs, and blocks (namely revenant’s 2x shield block) do get irritating, but I just work on my timing. For others that aren’t the mobile and bursty type I imagine it’s very frustrating.
I suppose it’s like any meta. There are some things you want to keep and some you want deleted.
I like this meta. New stuff is fun.
Most of the new stuff so far (DH traps..) are fun to fight against, makes you think a little during the fights.
Every MMO ever promises “Faster content updates, More Balance patches, Less Burst and more Depth in PvP” with it’s expansion.
There should be a law that poured ice-cold water over the devs while they sleep if they don’t mean it when they say it.
The meta’s not all that bad, if I’m honest. Classes just need tuning! I don’t miss condi-spammers, I don’t miss DD eles. I don’t like reapers, dragonhunters and chronomancers — though honestly those things mostly come from my dislike of things I can’t mechanically counter (skill shroud, skill traps, unable to click on the guy).
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