Guild Wars 2

Immmma tha….thie……thief… imaaa spe…cial pe…pe..pvp..pro.. mmm.. maa!

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Want to chime in with a concept of balance here…

First off “NOTHING” in this game is that hard to play. Once you get your muscle memory down everything else falls into place.

There are however a few factors that create imbalances, namely how much survivability a build is given? Is the survivability passive or reactive? If reactive how much reaction time does it require to survive? How frequently can it be done? How much set up is required to DO damage? Ect.

Something is only objectively “easier” by the context that if you can sit on a point and do decent damage that’s stronger than something that dies in a few hits but hits 20% harder.

Imo thief and war are about the same. Although thief is more reactive both require little to survive (esp thief having lots of options) and both have little set up to do a lot of damage.

in the case of thief evade stacking the uptime on evade frames is stronger in terms of survivability compared to most builds almost a kin to d/d ele’s heals, but does a lot of damage comparatively. However a properly built and played warrior can eat just about anything if they play well keeping momentum in check.

My eng says sup and thanks for the free kill mr thief.

Then my necro says sup to my eng and thanks for the free kill.

#esports

Invoker.5462:

Sorry it’s hard to believe but, a warrior player just picked up the supposed “skill class” and owned it. Do i need to stream it for you?

I mostly play Warrior but have been trying to pick up D/P Thief as well. What’s your Twitch? I’ll sub, I’d love to watch. When do you typically stream?

Invoker.5462:

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First off it took a bit of getting used to not having weapon cool-downs. It was awesome. I could just sit there and spam heartseeker as if its an i-win button, my only counter being endure pain skills.

TBH the damage output here is what i’ve been trying to push out of warrior for some time now- rifle burst pushing the limits but being insanely unreliable. But this? This is crazy, i feel like i just started playing a 1up profession. It’s my first day with it, and already i’m scoring top 3 on my team several games in a row.

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Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

Please, please, please tell me this was you trying to gather proof of how “awesome” HS spam is while I was screwing around on my warrior.

Maugetarr.6823:

Invoker.5462:

-snip-

First off it took a bit of getting used to not having weapon cool-downs. It was awesome. I could just sit there and spam heartseeker as if its an i-win button, my only counter being endure pain skills.

TBH the damage output here is what i’ve been trying to push out of warrior for some time now- rifle burst pushing the limits but being insanely unreliable. But this? This is crazy, i feel like i just started playing a 1up profession. It’s my first day with it, and already i’m scoring top 3 on my team several games in a row.

-snip-

Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

Please, please, please tell me this was you trying to gather proof of how “awesome” HS spam is while I was screwing around on my warrior.

That’s clearly a noob thief. Yup. Running a wrong build. Otherwise HS is awesome, used by an average player.

(above is my predicted response to your response maug…. )

lol…

Oh guys did you see how he was moving around when the thief went into stealth…. wow such counter much skills. Something rarely seen.

But yeah… why was he spamming HS out of stealth (i’m guessing it expired/was close to expiry – hey probably due to the warrior moving the kitten around, see how it’s a counter) on a full health target… wtf? He really is a baddie for doing that.

Oh another thing to note about the warrior walking around, notice how he keeps facing the direction in which the thief has stealthed from… so as he’s moving around back and forth, there’s a higher chance of him facing the thief and the thief being in front of him and not behind him… so even if the thief attempts to backstab it might turn out to be a “frontstab” dealing much less damage… But yeah, this flies way over some peoples heads.

http://www.twitch.tv/loljumper/c/1817891

Mind you this is when Heartseeker was actually good too

PS As someone who’s played thief since beta Heartseeker is pretty garbage unless you’re getting stealth.

Maugetarr.6823:

Invoker.5462:

-snip-

First off it took a bit of getting used to not having weapon cool-downs. It was awesome. I could just sit there and spam heartseeker as if its an i-win button, my only counter being endure pain skills.

TBH the damage output here is what i’ve been trying to push out of warrior for some time now- rifle burst pushing the limits but being insanely unreliable. But this? This is crazy, i feel like i just started playing a 1up profession. It’s my first day with it, and already i’m scoring top 3 on my team several games in a row.

-snip-

Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

Please, please, please tell me this was you trying to gather proof of how “awesome” HS spam is while I was screwing around on my warrior.

I almost die of laughter from seeing this LOL….
Seriously…

Invoker.5462:

A brief lookover of my post history would reveal that i am an avid warrior player, its all i’ve been playing in this game. My warrior and all his builds, from all in rifle burst, to dull shoutbow- even duel mace.

I was astonished when i played thief for the first time today with d/p.

First off it took a bit of getting used to not having weapon cool-downs. It was awesome. I could just sit there and spam heartseeker as if its an i-win button, my only counter being endure pain skills.

I didn’t really worry about the bow too much, it seems like a weak weapon but the mobility of it is INSANE- endless supply of blink? Thank you very much!

My invisibility skills felt like cheating. Heck- the moment i felt threatened id just throw down a shadow refuge and it was amazing how many people would give up looking for me.

TBH the damage output here is what i’ve been trying to push out of warrior for some time now- rifle burst pushing the limits but being insanely unreliable. But this? This is crazy, i feel like i just started playing a 1up profession. It’s my first day with it, and already i’m scoring top 3 on my team several games in a row.

Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

I wouldn’t say Shortbow is useless, It’s used more for range aoe/poison on downed

players to slow revives on the other team etc. You can also use it to kite while you’re

low on initiative. And Heartseeker spam is TRASH, never use it unless your foe is below

20-30% health (and even then only use it once or twice.). Use backstabs, they’re way more effective.

ima kongkittenninja.3052:

Invoker.5462:

A brief lookover of my post history would reveal that i am an avid warrior player, its all i’ve been playing in this game. My warrior and all his builds, from all in rifle burst, to dull shoutbow- even duel mace.

I was astonished when i played thief for the first time today with d/p.

First off it took a bit of getting used to not having weapon cool-downs. It was awesome. I could just sit there and spam heartseeker as if its an i-win button, my only counter being endure pain skills.

I didn’t really worry about the bow too much, it seems like a weak weapon but the mobility of it is INSANE- endless supply of blink? Thank you very much!

My invisibility skills felt like cheating. Heck- the moment i felt threatened id just throw down a shadow refuge and it was amazing how many people would give up looking for me.

TBH the damage output here is what i’ve been trying to push out of warrior for some time now- rifle burst pushing the limits but being insanely unreliable. But this? This is crazy, i feel like i just started playing a 1up profession. It’s my first day with it, and already i’m scoring top 3 on my team several games in a row.

Hard to play? Not really- i could work on some timings and cooldowns but tbh the overall survival mechanics and reliance of cooldowns on my warrior made that WAY harder than this profession.

I wouldn’t say Shortbow is useless, It’s used more for range aoe/poison on downed

players to slow revives on the other team etc. You can also use it to kite while you’re low on initiative. And Heartseeker spam is TRASH, never use it unless your foe is below

20-30% health (and even then only use it once or twice.). Use backstabs, they’re way more effective.

Do elaborate on “You can also use it to kite while you’re low on initiative.”
I feel like I’m missing something…