Guild Wars 2

i saw some topics about changes people want…..
engi OP : XD
no stun break in main build …..i think that is it
stealth : why u wanna change stealth ,just get a thief or engi in ur team
u want to flat this game to nothing ?stealth give some more tactics to the game …..
weakness : it is good, just shouldnt be aplayed too easly aoe

real problems imo :
nekro burst condi dmg +fear fear fear
and + epidemic sometimes

s/d thief :to much survi with to much dmg

mesmers moa is just most skilles and stupid skill

warriors are still to weak ,but some times they are dangerous after those new changes
i think they should get trait that gives them immunity to ccs under some part of their hp,but maybe it would make them OP, or just buff their bunker/support abilities

eles : anet nerfed backstab theifs 1 shooting people and they made eles 1 shooting people …hmmmmm

i think that game balance should give every profeesion a chance to play in top tourneys ,i dont like that there is something like :
u have to choose guard ,engi ,thief ,ele nekro or loose the game
why not warrior ranger mesmer guard ele
why not engi wariior nekro ele thief?

oh finally someone who actually uses his brain on this forum before screaming for nerfs!! thanks god
I overall agree on the last part, every class should have an equal chance to be grabbed in a team composition, but since the only game mode we still have is conquest&hold points and since some classes have much better bunker specs than Others, you won’t ever see equality of treatment between classes.

Actually I’mn not quite sure I can agree.
Yeah, there is lot of whining in forums (what did You expect? It’s forum, internet, PvP related topic…).
Take stealth for example. You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered. Don’t give me crap about AoE – I play thief from time to time and I know how much “good” can do to my victim throwing AoEs in my general direction. There’s no need to nerf stealth as it is, just give some tools to deal with it to well… someone. At the moment no one have any proper tools to do that. One of reasons I like to play thief – I’m only in fights I want to be and as long as I am wining. Actually if not by someone who is two or three leagues better than me, I can’t reacal to be (ever) taken down.

Agree on stun braker. Every class have some options, why force it into main build?
Agree more or less about rest, thou haven’t seen any one shooting Ele yet. Maybe it’s because I dpon’t play tourneys latley and my Ele is mostly for PvE, but hand on heart – can’t even reacall build You’re talking about.

Wizzlock.3492:

Actually I’mn not quite sure I can agree.
Yeah, there is lot of whining in forums (what did You expect? It’s forum, internet, PvP related topic…).
Take stealth for example. You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered. Don’t give me crap about AoE – I play thief from time to time and I know how much “good” can do to my victim throwing AoEs in my general direction. There’s no need to nerf stealth as it is, just give some tools to deal with it to well… someone. At the moment no one have any proper tools to do that. One of reasons I like to play thief – I’m only in fights I want to be and as long as I am wining. Actually if not by someone who is two or three leagues better than me, I can’t reacal to be (ever) taken down.

Agree on stun braker. Every class have some options, why force it into main build?
Agree more or less about rest, thou haven’t seen any one shooting Ele yet. Maybe it’s because I dpon’t play tourneys latley and my Ele is mostly for PvE, but hand on heart – can’t even reacall build You’re talking about.

D\P thieves = use any kind of ranged daze or interrupt when they drop the smoke field = thief cannot use leap and cannot stealth anymore, he wasted 6 ini for nothing = now the thief is dead

Rangers, other thieves, mesmers and even necros with spectral wall can interrupt the stealth combo of a D\P thief, so now you have your counter, but it takes skills and not anyone in this game have the right skill for interrupting at the right time, easier to ask for a nerf right?

Kolly.9872:

Wizzlock.3492:

Actually I’mn not quite sure I can agree.
Yeah, there is lot of whining in forums (what did You expect? It’s forum, internet, PvP related topic…).
Take stealth for example. You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered. Don’t give me crap about AoE – I play thief from time to time and I know how much “good” can do to my victim throwing AoEs in my general direction. There’s no need to nerf stealth as it is, just give some tools to deal with it to well… someone. At the moment no one have any proper tools to do that. One of reasons I like to play thief – I’m only in fights I want to be and as long as I am wining. Actually if not by someone who is two or three leagues better than me, I can’t reacal to be (ever) taken down.

Agree on stun braker. Every class have some options, why force it into main build?
Agree more or less about rest, thou haven’t seen any one shooting Ele yet. Maybe it’s because I dpon’t play tourneys latley and my Ele is mostly for PvE, but hand on heart – can’t even reacall build You’re talking about.

D\P thieves = use any kind of ranged daze or interrupt when they drop the smoke field = thief cannot use leap and cannot stealth anymore, he wasted 6 ini for nothing = now the thief is dead

Rangers, other thieves, mesmers and even necros with spectral wall can interrupt the stealth combo of a D\P thief, so now you have your counter, but it takes skills and not anyone in this game have the right skill for interrupting at the right time, easier to ask for a nerf right?

+1

Wizzlock :
my main is engi not ele ,but try double arcane o/30/0/10/30 with berserker amuleth
hmmm on this build how much dmg it will take combo :
i think it was like this :lightning(from air attunment swap) rtl , updraft ,lightning ,arcane wave , arcane blast,(swap to fire ) fenix , fire 4 and 5 ?how much time takes to make this combo and how much dmg u make in this time ?

about stun break i meant : disable engineer and he cant do nothing :/

about stealth :
learn to play with it , and if ur team mates dont see 2 guys , so they say,they can be in stealth, i dont cry if they burst me in 1-2 sec , and if i know they are in stealth i try too put glue bomb and big bomb or just stealth my self ,other classes have their options too do some stuff , they cant get more than 15 secs of stealth as i know ,so watch out for 15 ses

On Engineer – There’s more than one build and if you choose to run without a stun break who’s fault is that? Engineer has plenty of them…hell even elixir gun has one.

Conan.8046:

On Engineer – There’s more than one build and if you choose to run without a stun break who’s fault is that? Engineer has plenty of them…hell even elixir gun has one.

Those poor engis..No stunbreaker for them.They are cursed with running with a self /team rezz..Or a 20 sec rtl with blast finisher
I can feel their pain

of course someone didnt read the topic and now is turning over everything XD

i writed about the engi becouse people say that is OP ,so i writed that we dont have stun break in the main build ,so for example just condis fear fear fear and ur dead
only about 1 prof u can say that is OP now : nekro
couse s/d thief and fresh air ele im not sure couse they are more single target builds
and nekro can destroy whole team(with support of course) if he is lucky or skilled
engi is very good at tourneys ,but not OP

I didn’t said it can not be done. I said there is no real counter. People will find workaround for everything.
And let’s make one thing clear. Read. I’ll make it easier for You…

Kolly.9872:

…easier to ask for a nerf right?

Wizzlock.3492:

…You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered…

How asking for more diversity for other classes means nerf for thief? Point me exactly where I wrote that, because I’m confused.

dzindzinier.6138:

…about stealth :
learn to play with it …

I don’t need to. I really enjoy playing thief in PvP (WvW as well in matter of fact). I’m simple acknowledging fact, that there is no direct or stright way to deal with it on any class. Heck – some classes have no way to deal with stealth at all. Is it OP? Never said that – I treat it as annoyance. It’s not game breaking for sure, it’s core for one class (1/8 of whole package!).
If You look on PvP state, it’s easy to notice that there are more burning problems at hand, but on the other side… every single unfair advantage of mentioned Ele, ranger or (to some point) mes, was dealt with (more or less well…). Stealth is only mechanic that wasn’t adressed.

dzindzinier.6138:

of course someone didnt read the topic and now is turning over everything XD

i writed about the engi becouse people say that is OP ,so i writed that we dont have stun break in the main build ,so for example just condis fear fear fear and ur dead
only about 1 prof u can say that is OP now : nekro
couse s/d thief and fresh air ele im not sure couse they are more single target builds
and nekro can destroy whole team(with support of course) if he is lucky or skilled
engi is very good at tourneys ,but not OP

Agree on that, but I really suck on engi. I really envy people with skills that can sqeeze some juice from this class

eles : anet nerfed backstab theifs 1 shooting people and they made eles 1 shooting people …hmmmmm

This actually takes some skill to pull off during a game, there are a lot of button presses involved, unlike the thief that was a 3 button I win combo.

Wizzlock.3492:

I didn’t said it can not be done. I said there is no real counter. People will find workaround for everything.
And let’s make one thing clear. Read. I’ll make it easier for You…

Kolly.9872:

…easier to ask for a nerf right?

Wizzlock.3492:

…You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered…

How asking for more diversity for other classes means nerf for thief? Point me exactly where I wrote that, because I’m confused.

well I have answered that there is plenty of ways to counter stealth, every class has some.
I have over 1300 hours spent on my thief and I can counter it with every other class I play, and when I have been beaten I don’t complain, I just look for my mistakes. People nowadays think they are all pros and cannot accept a defeat.
The real problem on this forum is that 11 months after the release there are still people that do not undertand how to counter thieves and it’s not a thief’s fault if they complain all day long.

that 2 topics about nerfing engis make me mad ….why?
becouse those should be topics about nekros …..
even if engi is OP ,nekros are 2 times more OP and there should be topics about nekros first than engis ,1 topic about nerfing engis ofcourse strated nekro XD

anyway about l2p against another classes ;
yesterday i had fight against nekro at tourney 1v1 he destroyed me couse he is OP ….
no that is not true ,he destroyed me becouse i didnt play right against him ,next time kept myself away from him (he was some weird hybrid or power build with staff and daggers ) and i won with him easly , becouse his nuke dmg was from mele range from daggers…..
there are weak parts of engis , but i will not write about them , u should get it urself….it is very easy

so stop whining all and l2p

p.s. this post is general for whinners at those 2 topis about nerfing engis

This is like the least objective thread I have read in quite a while, I’m surprised people are posting unironically in it.

what is not objective ?
objective ofcourse is thread about nerfing engis started by nekro XD
do u even play tourneys ? engis can survive more …..so what ? nekros will kill u in few seconds ,engis can survive but they will not burst u……
but doesnt metter i just wanted to say

Kolly.9872:

Wizzlock.3492:

I didn’t said it can not be done. I said there is no real counter. People will find workaround for everything.
And let’s make one thing clear. Read. I’ll make it easier for You…

Kolly.9872:

…easier to ask for a nerf right?

Wizzlock.3492:

…You are talking about nerfing (whining to nerf stealth at least). Most topics about OPnes of stealth I saw was about fact that it can not be countered…

How asking for more diversity for other classes means nerf for thief? Point me exactly where I wrote that, because I’m confused.

well I have answered that there is plenty of ways to counter stealth, every class has some.
I have over 1300 hours spent on my thief and I can counter it with every other class I play, and when I have been beaten I don’t complain, I just look for my mistakes. People nowadays think they are all pros and cannot accept a defeat.
The real problem on this forum is that 11 months after the release there are still people that do not undertand how to counter thieves and it’s not a thief’s fault if they complain all day long.

One more time, slower. We started this in a wrong way.
1) It’s my opinion, You don’t have to agree.
2) I claim that there is no direct counter for stealth in skill/trait manner. I didn’t wrote it can not be dealt with – because sure it can. I wrote that there is no DIRECT way to do it on any class. I still belive I’m right to have my opinion, and on top of that – my opinion is right.
3) Ok, 1300 hours – bravo. I have only around 800. How much do You have on other characters? Because I was talking about cross class thingy.
4) where I wrote I am pro and that I can not be defeated? More than that – I wrote that on my thief (and only on my thief) I feel almost undeafeted, because it take great skill to actually force me to finish lost fight. And that doesn’t happen offten.
5) stop writing to me, like I’m hurt because my class wakittented badly by thief. I play thief. I just think that shifting weight from perma stealth to other activities would make Thief more interesting class – but it’s discussion for another topic.

Kolly.9872:

The real problem on this forum is that 11 months after the release there are still people that do not undertand how to counter thieves and it’s not a thief’s fault if they complain all day long.

And that is perfect example of what I’m not talking about. Why do You bring it up post after post? Where the check was it written in this topic?! Do You even read what I write, because Your answers are so indirect, that I have feeling we are talking about absolutley two different things. I wrote that not all whining is pure whining – example “stealth” so whining aside. And You come back to whining for sake of whining? Whining I say! Whining on whining! And whining on whining is still whining
And You don’t find it strange, that after 11 months even casuals from hot join learned how to deal with everything except stealth? Sure it’s not Thief fault – I agree. 100%! That’s why I wrote, that in my opinion problem lies in other classes – they have no direct way to deal with stealth. You have direct way of dealing with confusion, with stuns, burning, clones, invisible stomping etc. Actually stealth and mes teleports are two exepctions. While I don’t see possibility to counter mes teleports without complitly ruining the skill, I do see many possibilities to work with stealth to make it more dynamic for victims, not only to a thief.
But hey – that is my opinion.