Guild Wars 2

I just got done reading the balance changes preview. The language says Mesmer is to receive yet another nuke nerf.

Why do you hate Mesmer, anet?

Oddly enough, I actually agree with you for once.

Nerfs to alacrity, quickness, and slow are pretty painful. As it is, it’s already hard for a chronoshatter mesmer to stomp someone without distortion up.
Meaning we’ll be cleaving more while an enemy is in downstate, rather than stomping and getting them out of the game.

The quickness res’s also helped in PvE, and nerfs to alacrity will hurt PvE mesmer in more difficult combat.

At minimum, I think they need to split skills across the 3 different game modes.
I’m currently enjoying mesmer actually being useful in PvE, without having to rely on reflects (Many enemies can’t even be reflected anymore).

Idk where we will land in WvW.
If they don’t touch gravity well, with the rally and res nerfs we could actually be very powerful in WvW.
Then again, I’d say the same about venom-share wells…

lololol. “yet another nerf”. You seriously don’t get that bunker mesmer is completely broken? It is the easy mode class in PvP right now.

Not only do I not agree, I suspect that you are trolling. Have you actually played Mesmer long enough to be familiar with it?

How about we wait to see the patch notes befor we start screaming doom and gloom?

Ithilwen.1529:

I just got done reading the balance changes preview. The language says Mesmer is to receive yet another nuke nerf.

Why do you hate Mesmer, anet?

Nothing to do with hate mate. You are being delusional if u think Mesmer is fine at its current state. As of right now, Mesmer is the “free ride to legendary” ticket.

I’ve been around long enough to see anet’s pattern. Give a good thing to mesmer but break it and leave it broken.. sometimes for more than a year. Nuke a trait into the ground leaving nothing to replace it. In one case, announce and release a trait, and remove it minutes later.

As to free ride to legendary; the free ride to legendary is team exploiting. I’ve finally (in my fourth year in this game ) started to see some success on Mesmer. I’m confident that anet inteds to place us back where we were after the huge confusion nerf.

If you’re having a hard time against Mesmer, I suggest you get some practice time in.

have you seen 2 mesmer try to res someone at downstate? u dont coz they get res instantly

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Kitten no. Bunker Mesmer has the survivability of a tempest plus alacrity and slow which are God mode in team fights. Auras, especially shocking aura are kitten good but insta rezzing is OP to the point of being broken.

I main Mesmer, i agree Bunker mesmer is broken af. On the other hand, power/condi mesmer is as bad as thief or warrior.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Don’t see how given its less used than the cele D/D was used in the previous meta.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

As much as I dislike Diamond Skin, I even main a Necro so any enmity you might feel for that trait I feel twice as much. But I have to say that Tempest doesn’t have such a severe impact on PvP as Chrono. I can deal with Chronobunks relatively easy as far as its 1v1, but that’s hardly where their power lies. No class nor build is even close to being as obnoxious in a teamfight as Chrono. When the Chrono shows up to a fight the fun simply stops and it becomes a slog. And yeah, this is mostly because of ress/stomp mechanics, but Mesmer is the class that could abuse them to their fullest extent so it is Chrono’s fault. There’s also the part where some comp teams have gotten away with stacking nothing but Revs and Chronos with satisfactory results.

Aktium.9506:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

As much as I dislike Diamond Skin, I even main a Necro so any enmity you might feel for that trait I feel twice as much. But I have to say that Tempest doesn’t have such a severe impact on PvP as Chrono. I can deal with Chronobunks relatively easy as far as its 1v1, but that’s hardly where their power lies. No class nor build is even close to being as obnoxious in a teamfight as Chrono. When the Chrono shows up to a fight the fun simply stops and it becomes a slog. And yeah, this is mostly because of ress/stomp mechanics, but Mesmer is the class that could abuse them to their fullest extent so it is Chrono’s fault. There’s also the part where some comp teams have gotten away with stacking nothing but Revs and Chronos with satisfactory results.

The only reason you noticed the Chrono was because he instantly gets up anyone you put down. In terms of downing him though, it’s no problem, and then the team fight falls apart after that.

So yes, it’s 100% broken res, not broken Chrono.

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Dear Anet, nerf rock, paper is fine.
Signed
Scissors

^Your post.

Who has the most broken 1v1 build in entire game? Ability to bunker yet deal zerk damage and be braindead like old turret engis? Thats right, druid. You send druid far at beginning of the match and he pretyt much prevents the cap, send someone from mid to 2v1 and sure..but then mid is lost gg wp

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Oddly enough, I actually agree with you for once.

Nerfs to alacrity, quickness, and slow are pretty painful. As it is, it’s already hard for a chronoshatter mesmer to stomp someone without distortion up.
Meaning we’ll be cleaving more while an enemy is in downstate, rather than stomping and getting them out of the game.

The quickness res’s also helped in PvE, and nerfs to alacrity will hurt PvE mesmer in more difficult combat.

At minimum, I think they need to split skills across the 3 different game modes.
I’m currently enjoying mesmer actually being useful in PvE, without having to rely on reflects (Many enemies can’t even be reflected anymore).

Idk where we will land in WvW.
If they don’t touch gravity well, with the rally and res nerfs we could actually be very powerful in WvW.
Then again, I’d say the same about venom-share wells…

Just put double gravity wells down, or double moa the people trying to rez/stomp, don’t worry, you’ll still be OP as hell. Wish I could double lich

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Dear Anet, nerf rock, paper is fine.
Signed
Scissors

^Your post.

Who has the most broken 1v1 build in entire game? Ability to bunker yet deal zerk damage and be braindead like old turret engis? Thats right, druid. You send druid far at beginning of the match and he pretyt much prevents the cap, send someone from mid to 2v1 and sure..but then mid is lost gg wp

Well, you leave your double mesm at mid so they can hold vs everything ez pz and your revenant swiftly rotates to close in order to destroy the ranger with condis

Quickness rez nerf is necessary, next they need to make it so well of precognition doesn’t affect downed allies. In fact I don’t get why downed players get to receive any boon at all.

Daharahj.1325:

Quickness rez nerf is necessary, next they need to make it so well of precognition doesn’t affect downed allies. In fact I don’t get why downed players get to receive any boon at all.

Because they get to receive condis

Krysard.1364:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Dear Anet, nerf rock, paper is fine.
Signed
Scissors

^Your post.

Who has the most broken 1v1 build in entire game? Ability to bunker yet deal zerk damage and be braindead like old turret engis? Thats right, druid. You send druid far at beginning of the match and he pretyt much prevents the cap, send someone from mid to 2v1 and sure..but then mid is lost gg wp

Well, you leave your double mesm at mid so they can hold vs everything ez pz and your revenant swiftly rotates to close in order to destroy the ranger with condis

Thats organized teams tho. In soloQ i dont have that luxury, even less so if i happen to end up with a warrior…. XD

Aktium.9506:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

As much as I dislike Diamond Skin, I even main a Necro so any enmity you might feel for that trait I feel twice as much. But I have to say that Tempest doesn’t have such a severe impact on PvP as Chrono. I can deal with Chronobunks relatively easy as far as its 1v1, but that’s hardly where their power lies. No class nor build is even close to being as obnoxious in a teamfight as Chrono. When the Chrono shows up to a fight the fun simply stops and it becomes a slog. And yeah, this is mostly because of ress/stomp mechanics, but Mesmer is the class that could abuse them to their fullest extent so it is Chrono’s fault. There’s also the part where some comp teams have gotten away with stacking nothing but Revs and Chronos with satisfactory results.

I agree with this, when a chrono is present the group fight gets stale and annoying due to their utilities and cc. Never liked chrono mechanics, but thats me

What you mean is; " I don’t get to pull off my unblockable one shot kill if a chrono is around. Therefore I’m not having fun. I don’t want to have to fight for more than 3 seconds at a time. Chrono nerf needed."

Firebird.8324:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Oddly enough, I actually agree with you for once.

Nerfs to alacrity, quickness, and slow are pretty painful. As it is, it’s already hard for a chronoshatter mesmer to stomp someone without distortion up.
Meaning we’ll be cleaving more while an enemy is in downstate, rather than stomping and getting them out of the game.

The quickness res’s also helped in PvE, and nerfs to alacrity will hurt PvE mesmer in more difficult combat.

At minimum, I think they need to split skills across the 3 different game modes.
I’m currently enjoying mesmer actually being useful in PvE, without having to rely on reflects (Many enemies can’t even be reflected anymore).

Idk where we will land in WvW.
If they don’t touch gravity well, with the rally and res nerfs we could actually be very powerful in WvW.
Then again, I’d say the same about venom-share wells…

Just put double gravity wells down, or double moa the people trying to rez/stomp, don’t worry, you’ll still be OP as hell. Wish I could double lich

Assuming we don’t get 100-0’d by buffed thieves. (D/P still hurts like hell on any non-bunker build)

Although, whether or not thieves are even viable in the upcoming meta depends on how hard they scale down all of the AoE damage being output (Zerker ele’s overload air actually hurts… a lot… btw.), or by how hard they buff Thief’s sustain.

If they are viable, I don’t see Shatter mes having a fun time. Not that we were having a fun time anyway. shrug

Ithilwen.1529:

Not only do I not agree, I suspect that you are trolling. Have you actually played Mesmer long enough to be familiar with it?

Are you serious? You do know that A-net has layers of data to make this decision on? How do you explain the mass amounts of people playing mesmers? We don’t even have to go into the particulars. Unless you doubt reality the amount of people playing the class should tell you its a problem. We don’t need get into some kind of point by point debate on everything. People flock to the strongest builds. Chrono is too powerful. Who is the Troll exactly? Do you actually care about this game?

I’ll answer the last statement first. I’m trying hard to care about this game. In truth, I can’t say that I believe for certain that ANET even has good intentions any more.

I don’t believe anet makes decisions based on data. Grouch complained about being beaten on thief by a specific Mesmer build. That build was completely removed from the game in the next patch a few days later. My impression is that decisions are made solely by office politics at anet.

Chronomancer is not too powerful. It’s sin is that it short circuits “zerk” instant kill attacks. In doing so, it bruises the egos of players.

After all, no one wants to be beaten by some ephemeral caster class that is about light and color. That’s almost like being beaten by a girl.

( and I’m a girl, btw )

Ithilwen.1529:

Chronomancer is not too powerful. It’s sin is that it short circuits “zerk” instant kill attacks. In doing so, it bruises the egos of players.

After all, no one wants to be beaten by some ephemeral caster class that is about light and color. That’s almost like being beaten by a girl.

What’s the problem with getting beaten by a girl if she’s better / more experienced than me ?

I’m glad you think that way. Many do not.. I was implying that part of the problem people seem to have with Mesmer is; The style can be seen as effeminate, so many players find it ego bruising to be beaten by a Mesmer.

The fact that Chronomancers are able to stop the instant kill combos and therefore slow down the gratification of “zerk” players is icing on the cake.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like women declining their gender either – it has no relevance to the performance in gaming and having to underline it kinda validates the common ideas about the ‘gamer girls’.

If you are referring to chronobunkers their time are indeed brought to an end. It feels exactly how rampage warriors have felt short after their happy times of stomping those pesky blind-spamming thieves by pressing 2-3 keys.

I’ve been trying a few shatter builds, but just can’t get that HoT feel of damage (chrono/dom/duel), sustain (illusions) and condi clear (mantras) that scrappers & druids have. Yet no notice of them having a nerf, eh.

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Dear Anet, nerf rock, paper is fine.
Signed
Scissors

^Your post.

Who has the most broken 1v1 build in entire game? Ability to bunker yet deal zerk damage and be braindead like old turret engis? Thats right, druid. You send druid far at beginning of the match and he pretyt much prevents the cap, send someone from mid to 2v1 and sure..but then mid is lost gg wp

Some experiences you should be knowing if you climbed up to legendary legit.

Druid can never 1 v 1 and kill a half decent bunker Mesmer.

Druid will die instantly in a +1 fight if the enemy is half decent, especially when chrono or scrapper is presented (Throw 2 gravity well or slick shoe on him while other guy dps him = dead Druid)

Druid is vulnerable to focus fire in team fight. (Reaper, DH and Druid should be your number 1 priority to call out because they DIE FAST to focus fire and chain cc)

Druid need WAY MORE SKILLS to perform well than Chrono because if they make a single mistake in a team fight, they die instantly. They don’t have invulnerable/ block and evade spam.

If you have 2 good bunker mesmer, rotation and mobility doesn’t matter that much anymore.

Far distraction at start is doable by all bunker classes. This is not a Druid thing. Revenant and Chrono do it way better than Druid because they can stall out 1 v 2 much longer if they’re good. Rev has a higher chance of kill the bunker 1 v 1 too, and they are STRONG AGAINST DRUID because of the broken Banish Enchantment with no CD and can spam 18~24 stacks of confusions in a blink while Druid use SotP.

But sure, if you’re fighting Ruby hero or lower newbies, Druid sure is strong against scrub players. My Druid can 1-shot many people in unrank because they’re literally just horrible.

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Burtnik.5218:

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aktium.9506:

So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?

Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.

Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.

Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.

Hooray for everything getting getting nerfed!

Oh and Ithilwen, now is not the time to say you were finally getting success on Mesmer after 4 years, even if it is true. -_-u

Anyone fight legit through legendary should notice that how broken Revenant and Chrono is. People who still fail to see it either are the abuser themselves and try to play victim, or complete scrubs who barely pvp.

Could say the same about druid and scrapper as well.

Druid is horrible in team fight if the opponent is half decent (extremely vulnerable to stunlock/CC when elite is not up). They have limited stunbreak, unlike Revenant and Mesmer which has TONS of it.
Druid doesn’t has portal.
Druid cleanse is unreliable (2 sec delay on every supposedly cleanse skill)

Druid doesn’t even come close to Revenant and Mesmer atm, especially after bejillion nerfs already. (Mesmer got nerfed ONE time, Druid alrdy got nerfed 5 times post HoT launch). If they’re any closer to Mesmer, top team would have use 2 of them instead of 2 Mesmers already.

Stop lying and face the truth. Mesmer and Revenant are by far the strongest classes in this game atm by MILES.

Dear Anet, nerf rock, paper is fine.
Signed
Scissors

^Your post.

Who has the most broken 1v1 build in entire game? Ability to bunker yet deal zerk damage and be braindead like old turret engis? Thats right, druid. You send druid far at beginning of the match and he pretyt much prevents the cap, send someone from mid to 2v1 and sure..but then mid is lost gg wp

Some experiences you should be knowing if you climbed up to legendary legit.

Druid can never 1 v 1 and kill a half decent bunker Mesmer.

Druid will die instantly in a +1 fight if the enemy is half decent, especially when chrono or scrapper is presented (Throw 2 gravity well or slick shoe on him while other guy dps him = dead Druid)

Druid is vulnerable to focus fire in team fight. (Reaper, DH and Druid should be your number 1 priority to call out because they DIE FAST to focus fire and chain cc)

Druid need WAY MORE SKILLS to perform well than Chrono because if they make a single mistake in a team fight, they die instantly. They don’t have invulnerable/ block and evade spam.

If you have 2 good bunker mesmer, rotation and mobility doesn’t matter that much anymore.

Far distraction at start is doable to all bunker classes. This is not a Druid thing. Revenant and Chrono do it way better than Druid because they can stall out 1 v 2 much longer if they’re good. Rev has a higher chance of kill the bunker 1 v 1 too, and they are STRONG AGAINST DRUID because of the broken Banish Enchantment with no CD and can spam 18~24 stacks of confusions in a blink while Druid use SotP.

As a ChronoShatter mesmer, can confirm.
Druid is easy to kill when I +1.
IF I have moa/gravity well up.

Without those, Druid is quite a bit harder to kill, but still doable.

On the flip side, ranged pressure tends to present an issue for a Shatter mesmer (And a lot of bunker players don’t know how to deal with it at all). So it’s not like druid is helpless against us.
Especially since I run scholars, you can reduce my damage by 10% before I even get a chance to shatter on your face. Not that that makes a difference if I’m running moa, but still.

You people totally have the wrong impression of CS. A smart player doesn’t double hit elites. They use CS to effectively lower elite cooldown and as a survival skill.

Ithilwen.1529:

You people totally have the wrong impression of CS. A smart player doesn’t double hit elites. They use CS to effectively lower elite cooldown and as a survival skill.

Gravity well has the same cooldown as CS, so there’s actually little reason not to double cast it. Other than not needing to.
Not quite sure why GW is the only elite we have like that. 180s cooldown would probably have made more sense…

Timewarp/Moa on the other hand, I agree with. Casting the moa and going on the full 180 second cooldown isn’t something you generally want to do. But it can be powerful for swinging a team fight into your favor, should the need arise.

Exos.3472:

Ithilwen.1529:

Chronomancer is not too powerful. It’s sin is that it short circuits “zerk” instant kill attacks. In doing so, it bruises the egos of players.

After all, no one wants to be beaten by some ephemeral caster class that is about light and color. That’s almost like being beaten by a girl.

What’s the problem with getting beaten by a girl if she’s better / more experienced than me ?

I think she means in a real fight. Even still why would you want to get in a fight with someone?

At the very least for me, her comments explains the type of person I always assume she was.

Your personal attack is off topic. My point was and is that Mesmer bruises egos for two reasons; It has an image that isn’t hyper aggressive masculine. and ; It can stop the ego strokes that come from “zerk” style instant kills.

Ithilwen.1529:

Your personal attack is off topic. My point was and is that Mesmer bruises egos for two reasons; It has an image that isn’t hyper aggressive masculine.

Tell that to my bearded norn mesmer. But in all seriousness, I don’t understand this point that you keep trying to make. Is it because mesmer skills have a lot of purple/pink color to them or something? I consider mesmers hyper aggressive as a class, particularly on power shatter builds where the mesmer effectively wants to spawn clones as fast as possible for strong mind wracks, which usually leads to the mesmer using a lot of skills very quickly (also known as hyper aggressively).

Anyway, stop trying to make this about gender somehow. Keep that crap on tumblr.

OK, you’re probably right. I stand by my point that many posters reflexively ask for Mesmer ( and thief ) nerfs because the mechanics are different and because both classes prevent easy face roll kills.

Ithilwen.1529:

Your personal attack is off topic. My point was and is that Mesmer bruises egos for two reasons; It has an image that isn’t hyper aggressive masculine. and ; It can stop the ego strokes that come from “zerk” style instant kills.

Wow, that’s really out there, even for you, Ithilwen.

So like, do you feel abused every time a hyper masculine looking norn warrior has killed you using a greatsword while playing your mesmer?

Even for me? Thanks Ross. No, I was trying to explore why players single out Mesmer for nerfs. Why it is that players blame the class for being OP if they happen to lose to one.

I’ve seen this innumerable times. Beaten by a warrior or ele? well they must be more skilled. Beaten by a mesmer or thief? It’s because they are grossly OP cheaters.

I watched Grouch himself complain on twitch about losing to a Mesmer on thief. This was during the time that a Mesmer was almost an assured easy victim for a thief.

Ithilwen.1529:

OK, you’re probably right. I stand by my point that many posters reflexively ask for Mesmer ( and thief ) nerfs because the mechanics are different and because both classes prevent easy face roll kills.

I don’t think chrono bunker mechanics are difficult enough to manage for the reward of playing the build at the moment. The reason why nerfs and buffs to builds in this game have such a negative impact is because of the balance patch schedule that Anet uses, at least imo. What do we get, 2 big balance patches a year? The ideal way to change broken specs like chrono bunker and the current revenant builds is to give them small nerfs over time until they fall into a spot where they are still viable, but not so weak as to make those builds/classes undesirable.

Chrono-bunker needs a nerf, yes, but I really hope Anet gets it right (as a thief player I have no confidence that they will), and doesn’t cause mesmer to fall completely out of viability in high end pvp.

godz raiden.2631:

Ithilwen.1529:

Your personal attack is off topic. My point was and is that Mesmer bruises egos for two reasons; It has an image that isn’t hyper aggressive masculine.

Tell that to my bearded norn mesmer. But in all seriousness, I don’t understand this point that you keep trying to make. Is it because mesmer skills have a lot of purple/pink color to them or something? I consider mesmers hyper aggressive as a class, particularly on power shatter builds where the mesmer effectively wants to spawn clones as fast as possible for strong mind wracks, which usually leads to the mesmer using a lot of skills very quickly (also known as hyper aggressively).

Anyway, stop trying to make this about gender somehow. Keep that crap on tumblr.

I think the point attempting to be made, is that mage classes are seen as weak and feminine.
Which, if we’re speaking traditionally RPG wise, that’s pretty much true. White mages were almost always female. Mages were always weak physically.
Mages also always die easier.

It’s the last point that I think she’s hinting at.
If we go by old class statistics, it’s no real wonder that warrior & guardian were on the top of the player count.

They’re seen as the “tougher” & “easier to play” classes.

Where as mesmer was further down the line.

I don’t agree with her interpretation based on gender politics, but the underlining point that everyone expects mages to die when you sneeze on them still stands.

One of the big questions asked by a lot of guardian players in response to ChronoBunker, is how a light armor character can bunker better than them in heavy armor.

This is not about balance they listen to players that want to kill the class
just do daily with DH in the meanwhile and dont play more pvp until they fix it.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

One of the big questions asked by a lot of guardian players in response to ChronoBunker, is how a light armor character can bunker better than them in heavy armor.

But this question has everything to do with language and pre conceived notions about what “bunker” is.

We talk about light, medium, and heavy armor as they’re the words used to distinguish between the numerical difference in the 3 levels of base armor across the classes. Anet attaches a visual “armor” asthetic to this in the form of cloth, leather, and metal attire. What follows from there is that heavier classes should be able to fend off more than lighter, and in a measure of speaking this is true (more toughness = more damage mitigation).

But really any serious player doesn’t even see “light/medium/heavy”. It all boils down to numbers and effects. “Heavy class” is a construct of the players mind. If Guardians were really serious about this, warrior has both high armor AND higher HP, making him the ideal candidate. Only Bunking isnt really about armor, hp, and their aesthetic qualities.

It may not make perfect sense to them why a “light armored class bunks better than a heavy”, but it does make perfect sense when you simply consider their skills, traits, and utilities offer superior defensive/sustaining/whatever options. It’s just a silly argument born of legitimate scrub thinking.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

godz raiden.2631:

Ithilwen.1529:

Your personal attack is off topic. My point was and is that Mesmer bruises egos for two reasons; It has an image that isn’t hyper aggressive masculine.

Tell that to my bearded norn mesmer. But in all seriousness, I don’t understand this point that you keep trying to make. Is it because mesmer skills have a lot of purple/pink color to them or something? I consider mesmers hyper aggressive as a class, particularly on power shatter builds where the mesmer effectively wants to spawn clones as fast as possible for strong mind wracks, which usually leads to the mesmer using a lot of skills very quickly (also known as hyper aggressively).

Anyway, stop trying to make this about gender somehow. Keep that crap on tumblr.

I think the point attempting to be made, is that mage classes are seen as weak and feminine.
Which, if we’re speaking traditionally RPG wise, that’s pretty much true. White mages were almost always female. Mages were always weak physically.
Mages also always die easier.

It’s the last point that I think she’s hinting at.
If we go by old class statistics, it’s no real wonder that warrior & guardian were on the top of the player count.

They’re seen as the “tougher” & “easier to play” classes.

Where as mesmer was further down the line.

I don’t agree with her interpretation based on gender politics, but the underlining point that everyone expects mages to die when you sneeze on them still stands.

One of the big questions asked by a lot of guardian players in response to ChronoBunker, is how a light armor character can bunker better than them in heavy armor.

I feel like all these arguments are way off topic at this point.

It literally has NOTHING to do with it.

I don’t know about others, but I voice my opinion by my actual experience in high MMR fights, and base my point entirely on the experience I faces in the match.
No other stereotypical personal preference is involved.

This thread tells the story of what the real issue is. All the best builds are behind the paywall of Heart of Thorns. There isn’t a core profession build that can compete. That isn’t how you build a competitive game much less build up an e-sports empire. Each core profession needs a build or two that can compete in the current build rotations.

Skill splits are a must. The mechanics of Elite Specs and Core Professions shouldn’t be nerfed in PvE because of PvP. Why should the fun of the bulk of the player base(PvE players)who also happen to be the bulk of the money going into ArenaNet’s coffers be mitigated because PvP is broken? It shouldn’t.

Looking at the issues with Profession mechanics and calling out one or two Elite Specs as the culprit is myopic. Core specs for every class should be just as competitive and skill splits should be in place for this game to thrive.

OK, true enough, Ross. My point remains. Mesmers are expected to be easy kills. When they aren’t players get upset.

In addition, Mesmer Chronobunker can stop zerk nuke bursts. That more than anything else I think kittenes people off. It’s an ego stroke to be able to kill another player instantly.

It also covers lack of skills Against a Chronobunker you can’t simply hammer 3 buttons and expect to win. You have to think. For that reason alone Mesmer is obviously OP.

Aomine.5012:

I feel like all these arguments are way off topic at this point.

It literally has NOTHING to do with it.

I don’t know about others, but I voice my opinion by my actual experience in high MMR fights, and base my point entirely on the experience I faces in the match.
No other stereotypical personal preference is involved.

And this is how opinions should be formed, via what the players experience, especially in high MMR matches. And I think if the data used from the highest tier of PvP, then it would be painfully obvious that chrono-bunker, revenant, and cele tempest are a bit too strong compared to other builds and classes at the moment.

Two broad solutions exist to deal with that problem. 1)Nerf builds and classes that are too strong to help diversity builds, or 2)buff other classes and builds to a degree in which they compete with top builds. I think number 2 should be off the table for Anet at the moment because power creep has gotten a bit out of control since the 6/23 balance patch, and was further exacerbated by the release of HoT.