Guild Wars 2

It is very clear Spvp is in the sharp decline and it all happened when we changed to this duo/solo que… its just not working to keep players interested…sure it gives better matchmaking in terms of fair play…but lets be real here playing with friends is the reason we play a MMO so please lets get back to the basics here before pvp is completely dead!

wardspratlin.9107:

It is very clear Spvp is in the sharp decline and it all happened when we changed to this duo/solo que… its just not working to keep players interested…sure it gives better matchmaking in terms of fair play…but lets be real here playing with friends is the reason we play a MMO so please lets get back to the basics here before pvp is completely dead!

I’m all for at least 3 man Q’s if Anet is even willing to change the Solo/Duo Q.

Another thing that bothers me alot is the fact that there’s a lot of players that play ranked for the sake of the rewards and nothing else. Win or lose,self improvement or not,those kind of players don’t give a kitten about the actual pvp.

Maybe some kind of change in the reward system would be a way to change this? Move the ascended shards over to unranked pvp and let the gold/dye stuff stay in ranked.

That way,the players who just have to farm pvp for their “easy” ascended gear might just stick to unranked.

I would love to see tpvp come back somehow, but it needs an overhaul and should stay separate from solo/duo ranked/unranked. No rewards just bragging rights/leaderboards. I would love to see the “team” aspect really pushed. What if anet made a guild-like feature where you join, name it, have a roster etc, but it is called a Team instead of guild and only pertains to Tpvp. Then you select who on your roster is ready to queue up to a 5man, and your team appears on a list with your average MMR. Any other teams who are queued up can see other teams and attempt to challenge them. Simple, remove the randomness and you let the players take control of who they get to fight.

Mark Ryan.1078:

I would love to see tpvp come back somehow, but it needs an overhaul and should stay separate from solo/duo ranked/unranked. No rewards just bragging rights/leaderboards. I would love to see the “team” aspect really pushed. What if anet made a guild-like feature where you join, name it, have a roster etc, but it is called a Team instead of guild and only pertains to Tpvp. Then you select who on your roster is ready to queue up to a 5man, and your team appears on a list with your average MMR. Any other teams who are queued up can see other teams and attempt to challenge them. Simple, remove the randomness and you let the players take control of who they get to fight.

Yes.just bragging rights and leaderboards. Like what we have with the current titles for the top 250 people. The gold should,imo,stay though. It’s an added bonus. Not something one should farm!

wardspratlin.9107:

It is very clear Spvp is in the sharp decline and it all happened when we changed to this duo/solo que… its just not working to keep players interested…sure it gives better matchmaking in terms of fair play…but lets be real here playing with friends is the reason we play a MMO so please lets get back to the basics here before pvp is completely dead!

Thats not the reason why pvp is in decline. Its been in decline since Season 1 and we had team q back then . Solo/Duo brought fairer matches for pug players.

S5 “appeared” successful due to the easy rewards. Anet took away the ease of the rewards in S6 so people dont care enough.

Ideal world there should be a solo q and a 5 man team q but there are simply not enough players.

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

wardspratlin.9107:

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

You’re missing my point. sPvP has been in decline since Season ONE. We had Team Q then. It didnt help bring people in. The game mode was losing players every season.

Im just pointing out that blaming the death of PvP on Solo/Duo Q is not accurate.

Spartacus.3192:

wardspratlin.9107:

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

You’re missing my point. sPvP has been in decline since Season ONE. We had Team Q then. It didnt help bring people in. The game mode was losing players every season.

Im just pointing out that blaming the death of PvP on Solo/Duo Q is not accurate.

no i agree with you there have been underlying issues for a while now and that predates solo/duo for sure, however its declining at much sharper rate now id say as it seems pretty evident… i dont blame solo duo for kill spvp lets be clear…..however id say bar none the game was in better shape with team que’s and honestly believe it would help to return it….people just arent buying into solo que its boring to play by yourself….if you want to do that there are FAR better games to do so with….

pvp needs drastic changes in gameplay to become more enjoyable and less stressing,the q system is fine

wardspratlin.9107:

Spartacus.3192:

wardspratlin.9107:

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

You’re missing my point. sPvP has been in decline since Season ONE. We had Team Q then. It didnt help bring people in. The game mode was losing players every season.

Im just pointing out that blaming the death of PvP on Solo/Duo Q is not accurate.

no i agree with you there have been underlying issues for a while now and that predates solo/duo for sure, however its declining at much sharper rate now id say as it seems pretty evident… i dont blame solo duo for kill spvp lets be clear…..however id say bar none the game was in better shape with team que’s and honestly believe it would help to return it….people just arent buying into solo que its boring to play by yourself….if you want to do that there are FAR better games to do so with….

no, never more mixed qs, team q only team vs team (if pplation suports it)

megilandil.7506:

wardspratlin.9107:

Spartacus.3192:

wardspratlin.9107:

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

You’re missing my point. sPvP has been in decline since Season ONE. We had Team Q then. It didnt help bring people in. The game mode was losing players every season.

Im just pointing out that blaming the death of PvP on Solo/Duo Q is not accurate.

no i agree with you there have been underlying issues for a while now and that predates solo/duo for sure, however its declining at much sharper rate now id say as it seems pretty evident… i dont blame solo duo for kill spvp lets be clear…..however id say bar none the game was in better shape with team que’s and honestly believe it would help to return it….people just arent buying into solo que its boring to play by yourself….if you want to do that there are FAR better games to do so with….

no, never more mixed qs, team q only team vs team (if pplation suports it)

im totally ok with separate ques! !

your in a new car and its on fire but you wont get out because your not going to walk again!

fruit for thought

wardspratlin.9107:

megilandil.7506:

wardspratlin.9107:

Spartacus.3192:

wardspratlin.9107:

it wouldnt matter if team que had better rewards or not…. you pick your teammates in that….so no matter the motivation you would just end up playing against these people which is fine lol

You’re missing my point. sPvP has been in decline since Season ONE. We had Team Q then. It didnt help bring people in. The game mode was losing players every season.

Im just pointing out that blaming the death of PvP on Solo/Duo Q is not accurate.

no i agree with you there have been underlying issues for a while now and that predates solo/duo for sure, however its declining at much sharper rate now id say as it seems pretty evident… i dont blame solo duo for kill spvp lets be clear…..however id say bar none the game was in better shape with team que’s and honestly believe it would help to return it….people just arent buying into solo que its boring to play by yourself….if you want to do that there are FAR better games to do so with….

no, never more mixed qs, team q only team vs team (if pplation suports it)

im totally ok with separate ques! !

your in a new car and its on fire but you wont get out because your not going to walk again!

fruit for thought

issue on pvp is not no team q, issue is that when they implemented a ranking system that matters for some ppl(seasons) they have issues with mm(some for incorrect implementation some for player xploits), and not one of the hotfix they aplied works correct, and ppl concerned with their ranks becomes tired of the messy mm, and this seasoncontinues equal with not good reward, ppl have no incentives to fight against the system

wardspratlin.9107:

….people just arent buying into solo que its boring to play by yourself….if you want to do that there are FAR better games to do so with….

The majority of players in small scale PvP games queue solo/duo, it is why pretty much every game caters to that in some way even though these games are based around 5 or 6 man teams.

So the idea that PvP would be in good shape with team queue is fantasy, the ESL tourneys died whilst we had team queue, they’ve been bribing PvE players into PvP for years to make up for the PvP population that quit long ago.

Don’t get me wrong that there is no option for people to queue as a 5 man team in a 5 man team game is absolutely kittened, but that then that is the waste of space that are Anet polls, where they usually give one kitten option and one marginally less kitten option, neither of which are the solution, but it doesn’t matter what system they have now, the game is 5 years old, in decline and most PvP players have left, there is no real solution at this point.

Bring 5 man q back. This game feels dead. I miss going in solo q and coming out 4-5 man because I found people that I can work well with in a team. Now I see 3 guys that I would like to team up with and can’t. They made a system specifically to make creating parties easier at the end of a game and now it’s not being used. Reduce the loses when faced against a pre-made and increase rewards when beating them. Bring back the rewards that made pve players come in, but change the way that pips work so that people don’t just give up and get rewards. If you lose a game past a certain margin then you lose pips. If you lose a game within a certain margin then you gain pips, but not as much as if you would have won the game. Balance the game by reducing defenses across all classes, balance core vs elite specs, reduce spam. That’s all I’m asking for.

I fully support having team que back. While at times it did get frustrating going against a full team solo/duo it rarely happened and even then it wasn’t a guaranteed loss.

I think team que would produce better players. I know personally I’ve learned a lot more about rotations/builds and just pvp in general when I played with a group of people than just solo/duo. I agree with the poster above me as well, I met more people given the option to group as a team rather than just solo/duo.

Rednova.5283:

I fully support having team que back. While at times it did get frustrating going against a full team solo/duo it rarely happened and even then it wasn’t a guaranteed loss.

I think team que would produce better players. I know personally I’ve learned a lot more about rotations/builds and just pvp in general when I played with a group of people than just solo/duo. I agree with the poster above me as well, I met more people given the option to group as a team rather than just solo/duo.

a premade team vs a pug is 95% win
if team q returns it should not be against pugs

Only if it is seperated from solo queuing. Thank you.

I only do solo que, I dont like to meet up with a premade.

try it for one season, like this and I am sure everyone will want back into solo queuing

SweetPotato.7456:

Only if it is seperated from solo queuing. Thank you.

I only do solo que, I dont like to meet up with a premade.

try it for one season, like this and I am sure everyone will want back into solo queuing

yeah i dont like playing against premades either its what made me quit gw2 in the past, its what made me quit rift and what made me quit wow

Simple solution: make unranked 5v5 team queue only.

flog.3485:

Simple solution: make unranked 5v5 team queue only.

But then the casual aspect of unranked disappears even more. Unranked should stay as it is now imo.

insaneseagull.7063:

flog.3485:

Simple solution: make unranked 5v5 team queue only.

But then the casual aspect of unranked disappears even more. Unranked should stay as it is now imo.

That is the thing though. The casual aspect of PvP could be preserved with hotjoins. I know what is like, that is the PvP game mode that I have personally played the most. I just think it would be best for players who want really want to dwelve deeper into real PvP to be able to play as teams fighting other teams. In that way players would know better about what to do in conquest (i.e. What to play, what to focus, how to rotate, What build to play and in another extent what class to switch to in case of really unfavorable matchup). Overall I also think it could give better feedback to devs as it promotes a fair environment of gameplay.

I am playing now and I wasn’t before. If I have to fight coordinated group queues, I will stop playing again. THE ONLY way to make group queuing work is if groups only get to fight groups. This has been proven true in all structured pvp in most, if not all MMO’s.

tldr: No.

automated tournaments would work much better than team queue.

There will never be enough full 5s teams for a 24/7 team queue, and having one would just promote off hour win trading.

However with automated tournaments that have set calendar dates, 5s teams will have a place where they can get good fights with a chance for prestige and rewards, without the matchmaker crap.