Guild Wars 2

so this is not a complaint about the moa change but it does suck that it does force mesmers to be a 1 elite pony.

there is 0 reason to use moa now that it does nothing except help the person you moa get out of the fight. and im not sure that is what is inteneded for the MOA.

suggestions to the moa if you dont want to change it back.

1. make the number 5 of the moa a 1 sec invuln block. that with the 2 two sec doges they get gives them 5 seconds of invuln. i think with the risk we take casting a moa and wasting our 180 sec elite for a chance at hitting them then we should get at least 5 seconds of dmg to them.

2. change it back to what it was. everyone cant complain about moa because its such a high rish elite probably the biggest in the game because its so easy to dodge. there is no reason it should be so easy to avoid then when we land it we cant do anything with it.

i sat with this new moa for over a month to see if it benefited anything from the new change and my only answer is no. it actually made the game a little less challenging in my opinion. as of now u know a mesmer would come mid time warp win battkle then the other team does it then you do it back.

please fix moa so games can be a little different again this is truly a change that needs to be made. (im not saying i will use moa just saying it needs to be changed back so ppl have the option)

LOL won’t happen bro, they like it how it is. Most feel mesmers are OP as it is. This gives them a escape route. It’s just like the 4 sec fear thief’s get when they steal from necro…. Once they change that I can see them maybe changing Moa. Till then prob won’t happen.

TheZeus.8617:

LOL won’t happen bro, they like it how it is. Most feel mesmers are OP as it is. This gives them a escape route. It’s just like the 4 sec fear thief’s get when they steal from necro…. Once they change that I can see them maybe changing Moa. Till then prob won’t happen.

but every thief has steal and has other class options of who to steal from so it doesnt seem to be the same thing. and in the new SOTG ppl say ohh mesmer timewarp changes battles.

so lets make it so every mesmer doesnt want timewarp.

LOL thanks, I needed the laugh. 10 sec of being locked out of your skills apparently isn’t enough, so you would prefer that we not have an option to gtfo? I think if you look at your elite compared to many other classes elites, you’ll realize you’re doing just fine. Could always be much worse.

haha making moa more powerful is not the solution. the solution is nerf timewarp. Only got twenty dollars in my pocket.

Mesmers needs nerf in PvP overall.

2 2 second dodges? Stopped reading there…

Ok I lied. “Risky elite”? If by risk you mean the cast time, then I guess every class has risky elites. Not to mention Mesmer’s 3 elites are actually useful….

Psikerlord.2569:

Only got twenty dollars in my pocket.

… I, I, I’m huting, lookin for a weak-* mesmer!

Seriously though, you completely lock down an opponents skills for ten seconds, that is good enough. Most Mesmers are able to down someone from full health in ten seconds and if it weren’t for the fifth moa skill, it would be a win button. I hope we all agree that GW2 PvP is no place for win buttons.

yea nerf time warp

what a joke thread..
So i would love if i could put another utility skill in the last slot ..while you want them to boost moa again so that you find it a bit harder to chose between that and the kittening stupid op kitten that timewrap is…
I never got why they give so much in some classes..so much!!

im glad to see a bunch of ppl that have no idea how the game works in here. i would prefare mesmers to have moa over time warp.

moa = very easy to be dodged.

timewarp = not easy to be doged.

someone said win button? im pretty sure in a 1v1 thief guild and the warrior 1 and the ele heal elemental are win buttons except there is no way to avoid those.

but instead of nerfing everything because ppl need to L2P we should find a way to make a variety in pvp.

i will stay with timewarp because we have a great team fight. but for teams that want a more solo 2v2 fight team they should have the option to use something other then a useless elite.

the more you ppl cry the more stuff gets nerfed the less variety we have.

the better ppl get the better the skills will get the more variety = better more exciting games.

Moa was OP now it is fair.

Being locked out of my skills for a while is enough for an elite.
What do you want next? Mesmers to be able to be Dhumm and ban people out of the blue for downing them?

yay you are right.And after buffing moa lets buff all the others mesmers specs to the level of shatter so that we have “variety”..
Also if you really think that nerfing cant bring variety then this is probably the first game you took seriously..Nerfing is fine,nerfing is good!
Op shatter and stealthed thieves bursts is bad and not exciting to watch..
This.. or l2p ALONE!!

i guess that is what seperates great players from regulars.

when i see a backstab thief 20 feet away from me and he drops shadow refuge i get excited. i know there is about to be a great battle. i know all i have to do is hit him once and he dies or he has to hit me once and i die.

never in my mind do i look at a thief and say he is op because i look at it from both angles which the devs do also.

insta gib thief= easy to kill if they mess up (u see that there is a pro and a con so ppl use them) they can kill ppl fast but they cant stomp. seems fair to me.

moa= 180 sec cooldown, it affects 1 person, its easily avoided, ppl get to doge 2 times in it for 4 seconds invuln plus they get to speed away at a super speed that nothing can catch, so basically it does nothing except waste a cooldown.

everything needs a pro and a con otherwise something is wrong.

all u ppl see is how something affects u instead of the full game.

So disabling a person from the fight for a long time is a waste of a cooldown for you?? I say just keep your day job..
Only reason people dont use it is cause time wrap is stupidly op.
Also i loled at “when i see a thief i dont say he is op”
Most people that moan about thieves dont have problem handling one in a controlled environment with your cooldown up.But fighting in a team fight and getting instagibed by a stealthed thief out of nowhere is not fun nor good to watch.
Especially when you see the fight from the thief side and see how ridiculously easy is to perfor said burst..just like how easy is to play a mesmer

you probably troll right?? :P

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

i guess that is what seperates great players from regulars.

when i see a backstab thief 20 feet away from me and he drops shadow refuge i get excited. i know there is about to be a great battle. i know all i have to do is hit him once and he dies or he has to hit me once and i die.

never in my mind do i look at a thief and say he is op because i look at it from both angles which the devs do also.

insta gib thief= easy to kill if they mess up (u see that there is a pro and a con so ppl use them) they can kill ppl fast but they cant stomp. seems fair to me.

moa= 180 sec cooldown, it affects 1 person, its easily avoided, ppl get to doge 2 times in it for 4 seconds invuln plus they get to speed away at a super speed that nothing can catch, so basically it does nothing except waste a cooldown.

everything needs a pro and a con otherwise something is wrong.

all u ppl see is how something affects u instead of the full game.

It tottaly disables 1 person for basicly 10 seconds.(no you wont get the kill if target is fast reacting he will be out of range before you know it.

The good thing is how it counters transformation skills so well.

Plague Form >Moa>plague gone, now you are a chicken
Same with other transformations.

It’s a complete fight changer as is. I don’t consider it any more difficult to get off than any other skill with a cast time, and the rewards for doing so are quite good. I think a few of us have mesmer alts and I doubt very much that anyone else that used moa said to themselves “I feel like there’s something wrong with this skill… I didn’t get enough reward for the risk I just had casting it.” We are looking it in scope of the full game. As far as I can tell, Time Warp has always been the best choice for tournament play due to 10 second CC on one enemy is not as as valuable as 10 seconds of quickness for you and every ally in the the area, and I don’t think it ever will be. To make Moa a more attractive choice the only option is to nerf Time Warp, IMO.

You want a choice? Make mass invis a utility and then make portal an elite…

I read Moa as “For 10 seconds your opponent is out of the game and is welcome to press 5 or alt+f4 then uninstall”.

Is it not beneficial to take 1 player, turn them into a chicken and effectively remove them from whatever they were doing, no questions asked?
No fuss, no fight, just “you are no longer in this battle”

Seems like you have a problem with the moa 5 skill.

I was on my ele tanking 2 guys no problem. Mesmer comes and pops Moa. I’m f’ed and get CC’ed/knocked down.

Solo? I get whittled down by greatsword spam, get Moa’ed at 60% hp, got pistol stunned as I was using that 5 escape with little stamina, got downed by shatter + some more GS spamming.

Insta gib thief easy if he messes up? I use any of my CC or teleport short of immobilize and he heartseeks straight back to me. Unless by “mess up” you mean his keyboard disconnects.

Yes, pros and cons. Moa locks your skills down for 10 whole seconds. Con is I can run away. Yay.

Saying ele’s water elemental is an i win button is too funny.

I’m convinced this is a troll.

definatly a real post.

sorry i forgot these forums were filled with 95% qq nerf posts.

this has got to be annoying for ANET. instead of ppl L2P see cast doge ppl just say nerf. instead of having map awareness ppl say nerf.

i hope real players make it to the game soon so the new forums are filled with ideas to make the game more exciting and not dumbed down..

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so this is not a complaint about the moa change but it does suck that it does force mesmers to be a 1 elite pony.

Gratz on having 1 elite that doesn’t completely suck then?

You know the easiest way to tell the bad mesmers from the decent ones? The bads use Moa instead of Time Warp.

Moa will never win a match, but TW certainly can and has turned the tides of uncountable amounts of matches.

I got moa’ed the other day. Been so long I didnt know what to do lol.

Everyone complaining about moa. Do yourself a favor and fight the NPC mesmer in the Mists, he will turn you into a moa and that’s a good way to read what all the skills do, see how the attack damage isn’t actually all THAT bad. (if someone moa’s you and they are at 10-15% hp, you can easily finish them with the moas attacks)

Also shows you what the animation looks like to pratice dodging it.

vitigis.4160:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so this is not a complaint about the moa change but it does suck that it does force mesmers to be a 1 elite pony.

Gratz on having 1 elite that doesn’t completely suck then?

You know the easiest way to tell the bad mesmers from the decent ones? The bads use Moa instead of Time Warp.

Moa will never win a match, but TW certainly can and has turned the tides of uncountable amounts of matches.

every class has elites that dont suck.

and i agree with you now. using moa now means your bad. and it shouldnt be that way. thats why they need to fix moa back to what it was.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

vitigis.4160:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so this is not a complaint about the moa change but it does suck that it does force mesmers to be a 1 elite pony.

Gratz on having 1 elite that doesn’t completely suck then?

You know the easiest way to tell the bad mesmers from the decent ones? The bads use Moa instead of Time Warp.

Moa will never win a match, but TW certainly can and has turned the tides of uncountable amounts of matches.

every class has elites that dont suck.

and i agree with you now. using moa now means your bad. and it shouldnt be that way. thats why they need to fix moa back to what it was.

Sure, make moa what it used to be and move portal over as an elite. Now you’ve got variety and real choices.

Oh snap, they made Moa a defensive elite instead of offensive. Poor mesmers only have the most defensively viable burst in the game bar good thieves; it must be awful having to use Moa to stop an attack instead of guarantee your own.

yep i played paids tonight. 100% were time warp. very predictable.

i by no means think time warp is op. its a 210 sec cool down and all a good team has to do is step out of it but i truly just want so variety.

Moa is a million times more balanced than Time Warp because at least you can actually dodge or block the Moa skill. Just get rid of Time Warp in PvP all-out and Mesmers become balanced.

I agree that Time Warp needs a nerf. Mesmer doesn’t need any buffs.

Ashanor.5319:

I agree that Time Warp needs a nerf. Mesmer doesn’t need any buffs.

Sure about that, Ashanor? You do realise that:
LoS is rather wonky on Mesmers. Particularily on Phantasms.
Untrustworthy speed buffing , unless one uses an offhand considered by most to be subpar.
Between Mesmer and Engineer, you have two classes holding hands, whilst they sit at the Round Table of Nerf.

Why not instead, call for all potential class specs – for every class – to be equally valid?

Yes nerf Mesmers until we all quit, at least then you can move onto ruining another class.

PearlGore.7419:

Yes nerf Mesmers until we all quit, at least then you can move onto ruining another class.

nice reply to this man thats what im afraid will happen. they are doing it to everyclass and it needs to stop now