Guild Wars 2

In my years of playing these games I’ve found that the more people complaining about a patch or balance adjustment usually means it was pretty spot on.

Let’s be real, we have a few classes that have been silly OP, and other that have been completely unwelcome in virtually all group content.

With this patch the OP were tuned down, some of the unwelcome were brought up, at the end of it it seems to me the gap is far less than it was, isn’t that the goal?

The best gameplay comes when the gap between meta and the basement is as small as possible, and this game badly needed some adjustment in that regard.

Until burn stacking is addressed, the balance is still going to be broken.

It’s never going to be perfect
Right or worn on your point, likely right, the funny part is that im seeing NOONE complain about that issue right now after the patch and a lot of tears about Rangers coming out of the cellar.

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Floplag.4032:

It’s never going to be perfect
Right or worn on your point, likely right, the funny part is that im seeing NOONE complain about that issue right now after the patch and a lot of tears about Rangers coming out of the cellar.

I have trouble understanding that, and I’ll preface my opinion with saying I have never played a Ranger… It’s about time rangers had something nice, maybe a little OP. I normally join a match and if I see a ranger on the other team I think to myself “Oh good, this will be easy”. I have never had to adjust my build because i saw a ranger on the other team.

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

Do you even read what people write before you reply off on some rant?

Lordrosicky.5813:

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

Do you even read what people write before you reply off on some rant?

Do you? the intent of his post seemed pretty clear. As was my reply. I even gave him a chance to clarify the “sucks” part.
Please enlighten me as to what i supposedly missed?

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

Do you even read what people write before you reply off on some rant?

Do you? the intent of his post seemed pretty clear. As was my reply. I even gave him a chance to clarify the “sucks” part.
Please enlighten me as to what i supposedly missed?

I’ll take that as a no

Lordrosicky.5813:

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

Do you even read what people write before you reply off on some rant?

Do you? the intent of his post seemed pretty clear. As was my reply. I even gave him a chance to clarify the “sucks” part.
Please enlighten me as to what i supposedly missed?

I’ll take that as a no

As will i then in your case, have a nice day

Floplag.4032:

Lordrosicky.5813:

So your experience tells you that when people say something sucks then it is infact amazing? interesting experiences you have!

Well, lets see…. “sucks” is objective. You think it sucks, others including myself don’t. The point is that when the reality is in the middle then they probably did it right.

I personally do not think this sucks, i think it made a lot of sense, too many things were very obviously OP and others significantly under powered or unwelcome in groups.

Did they perhaps overtune a couple things, maybe, time will tell. I think its a little silly to be judging rangers on a possible gimmick build but thats me. Was the nerf to Eles and Mesmers 100% required, common sense answers that one.

So please tell me what “sucks” in this patch in a manner that isnt crying about not having easy mode kills anymore?

not that i care too much about the current patch, since i use neither too much of any things that are hot in the current meta. But definately your premise is wrong. U cannot assume that if people complain and it get fixed according to thier complaint or the middle ground was found. As you later nuance it a bit. is still pretty much baseless. People will Always keep complaining about something else and sometimes they will even bring a bigger voice. mesmers and elementalist were the hot topic? before that it was the ranger,. So if people complain en masse about the current fix, does this mean the current complaints were wrong all the time? Sometimes things get revamped completely. throwing several builds out of the meta. there would definately not be any middleground there would thier be? BTW how do you define what is the middle ground of numerous of complaints, complaints which by itself are almost entirely subjective in nature. Bugs, and exploits are amongst one of the few complaints which can be fact checkked by everbody.

People are ranting about elementalists? well i’m one of those guys that pretty much enjoys the intense fight the with dagger, dagger ele and can manage ussually just fine, safe for those running diamond skin. it’s my opinion. as would it be one of them who oppose mine.

Basically the complaining will continue and the cycle of buffs and nerfs will keep going on. U honestly got nothing other then just appealing to popularity fallacy.

And considering HOT is right on the corner, the chances are pretty big that once again big changes will be coming.

Granted if, said balance patch actually kept the pvp community contend with for an extended period of time without weekly qq’s of anything whatsoever. then yes while still inherintely subjective. but then the title of the topic created would be less objectionable imo.

I think perhaps some of you missed my point or i might not have made it clear enough…

The point what that when you see complaining from both sides such as the meta classes complaining about Rangers and others complaining that some things were not nerfed enough, then the odds are good they got it right in general.

Floplag.4032:

I think perhaps some of you missed my point or i might not have made it clear enough…

The point what that when you see complaining from both sides such as the meta classes complaining about Rangers and others complaining that some things were not nerfed enough, then the odds are good they got it right in general.

which i would agree with if, you could see a noticable decline in complaints or suggestions for buff or nerfs for maby an extended period of time. but the big issue here is that untill now, big changes will continue to be made based on the next ray of complaints. that’s why i cannot agree with this.

But there will always be complaints unless they hit the magic area where everyone is relatively equal in its own way, and I’ve never seen any game achieve that goal.

Players always complain, we are an ungrateful group if we don’t get our way or have it how we want it for the most part.

There are 2 kinds of complaints, the “i got nerfed” or “they got buffed and are stronger now against me”. In this case we are seeing both. So if EVERYONE is complaining, then it means that either they mostly got it right, or completely buggared it and i don’t think the latter is the case.

They can’t make everyone happy because everyone over values their skills and over values their class therefore if they lose the class that beat them must be OP.

Forums will always be a place full of whine.

Floplag.4032:

But there will always be complaints unless they hit the magic area where everyone is relatively equal in its own way, and I’ve never seen any game achieve that goal.

Players always complain, we are an ungrateful group if we don’t get our way or have it how we want it for the most part.

There are 2 kinds of complaints, the “i got nerfed” or “they got buffed and are stronger now against me”. In this case we are seeing both. So if EVERYONE is complaining, then it means that either they mostly got it right, or completely buggared it and i don’t think the latter is the case.

>Ok so you can see that they’re will Always be complaints.

Do you realise that this current ’’fix’’ is one out of several over the past years? and i mean fixes that one would generally consider huge? see that’s what makes no sense. u cannot have it mostly right if it stands a humongously big chance of having it changed completely. it makes no sense. even the seeing both part makes no sense. as it’s still dependent on you and me to determine wheter both parties has been pleased.

Some people are still complaining their buffs were to kittenty, and others are still complaining the nerfs aren’t enough. then there is also the group that hates excatly the same logic you are using. Just looking at both sides and then try to get a balance, while in the proffesion forums they are tons of people that actually would rather have the developers do extensive testing or write entire essay or have discussions about why a certain trait should be buffed or nerfed or changed.

It’s pretty much a King solomon mentality that you are applying here. which considering this is a community is something u cannot get around with. but i wouldn’t put any way to quantify it as bieng right, which goes into the realm of objectivity. it’s faulty logic. something isn’t right because most people agree. something is right if it can be fact checked.

What will you say if people find out that certain elite specialsations are taking way too much of an advantage cause the normal specialisations benefit them too much? what if this entire patch gets revamped just to deal with that?