Guild Wars 2

nerf all the other classes but ignore diamond skin
but esports

Why would they nerf something that doesnt need to be nerfed?

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

If the ele didn’t fart out healing, this would be true.

That said, with only two condi builds seeing play, I’m not sure condi really needs a nerf. People just aren’t running cleanse.

Diamond Skin doesn’t need a nerf, it needs a rework.

If they remove diamond skin Reapers will take elementalists completely out of the meta.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

If the ele didn’t fart out healing, this would be true.

That said, with only two condi builds seeing play, I’m not sure condi really needs a nerf. People just aren’t running cleanse.

Diamond Skin doesn’t need a nerf, it needs a rework.

Diamond Skin was given to the ele because the class has the lowest base armor and health survivability. Seriously, Diamond skin isn’t that good, it’s only good now because people are running cheesy condi spam.
An ele using earth already gives up on his biggest damage modifiers. It just doesn’t need a nerf… and when an ele is running healing it aint running damage either.

Any class can bunk up and hold point, now because bunkering up it’s the only thing left the ele can do people are blaming bunker ele. If you nerf that you destroy the class.

Xillllix.3485:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

If the ele didn’t fart out healing, this would be true.

That said, with only two condi builds seeing play, I’m not sure condi really needs a nerf. People just aren’t running cleanse.

Diamond Skin doesn’t need a nerf, it needs a rework.

Any class can bunk up and hold point, now because bunkering up it’s the only thing left the ele can do people are blaming bunker ele. If you nerf that you destroy the class.

Pretty much this, Dragonhunters, Scrappers, Revenants and Reapers can all do tons of damage, CC and sustain themselves.

If it wasn’t for ele’s or chronobunkers, the meta would be reduced to those 4 classes all running zerker/viper/cele specs.

Everything needs to be nerfed, not just diamond skin.

Xillllix.3485:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

If the ele didn’t fart out healing, this would be true.

That said, with only two condi builds seeing play, I’m not sure condi really needs a nerf. People just aren’t running cleanse.

Diamond Skin doesn’t need a nerf, it needs a rework.

Diamond Skin was given to the ele because the class has the lowest base armor and health survivability. Seriously, Diamond skin isn’t that good, it’s only good now because people are running cheesy condi spam.
An ele using earth already gives up on his biggest damage modifiers. It just doesn’t need a nerf… and when an ele is running healing it aint running damage either.

Any class can bunk up and hold point, now because bunkering up it’s the only thing left the ele can do people are blaming bunker ele. If you nerf that you destroy the class.

Last I checked, I never once said “nerf” I said ‘rework." It’s terribly designed as-is and should be made stronger, yet more active. I am all in favor of getting rid of the health threshold entirely if it isn’t indefinite immunity.

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Resistance

Which, I would say, a reworked Diamond Skin should use.

It’s easy to push buttons apply a few condis then run around. If you can’t deal with Diamond skin you are probably bad and use condis to carry you. They need to nerf condis not diamond skin.

Warlord.9074:

It’s easy to push buttons apply a few condis then run around. If you can’t deal with Diamond skin you are probably bad and use condis to carry you. They need to nerf condis not diamond skin.

It’s easy to push buttons, deal direct damage, and just kill your opponent then run around without worry of being hit.

Seriously, quit trying to pull the “condition builds are skilless” crap. The only thing skilless about them is the people that don’t understand which attacks to avoid because they don’t put big numbers up instantly.

Sorry, but if you don’t even try to avoid my heavy hitters, you should die quickly.

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

And there is resistance/traits and even skills to reduce condi damage so youre wrong. Its fair comprasion. My point stands still.

Burtnik.5218:

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

And there is resistance/traits and even skills to reduce condi damage so youre wrong. Its fair comprasion. My point stands still.

Not accessible to everyone. I mean, I could make the same kind of flawed argument too. There are traits and skills that prevent critical damage, reduce direct damage indefinitely, and prevent direct damage entirely. See how this is going?

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

And there is resistance/traits and even skills to reduce condi damage so youre wrong. Its fair comprasion. My point stands still.

Not accessible to everyone. I mean, I could make the same kind of flawed argument too. There are traits and skills that prevent critical damage, reduce direct damage indefinitely, and prevent direct damage entirely. See how this is going?

Not everyone have access to protection either (hello war/thief). See how this is going?

Passive craps like diamond skin are bad for this game and have to go..away. They take no skill whatsoever, slot and forget. While were at it toughness/protection should reduce condi dmg too.

Burtnik.5218:

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

ReaperJr.5967:

Burtnik.5218:

I wonder what people would say if bark skin was giving immunity to direct damage above 90% hp.. Hmmm

Not a fair comparison as there is a stat for reducing direct damage as well as a boon. You don’t have either for condition damage.

And there is resistance/traits and even skills to reduce condi damage so youre wrong. Its fair comprasion. My point stands still.

Not accessible to everyone. I mean, I could make the same kind of flawed argument too. There are traits and skills that prevent critical damage, reduce direct damage indefinitely, and prevent direct damage entirely. See how this is going?

Not everyone have access to protection either (hello war/thief). See how this is going?

Passive craps like diamond skin are bad for this game and have to go..away. They take no skill whatsoever, slot and forget. While were at it toughness/protection should reduce condi dmg too.

Part of the reason why they are not meta. Compare availability of protection across classes as compared to resistance? Also, there’s no stat reducing condi damage atm. You can say toughness should but fact of the matter is that it doesn’t.

Burtnik.5218:

Passive craps like diamond skin are bad for this game and have to go..away. They take no skill whatsoever, slot and forget.

Diamond Skin isn’t passive, it only works when you’re HP is above 90%, which honestly only works on engage unless you’re opponent just doesn’t have any damage pressure.
You can’t blame the trait really, it’s been there for 2 years and isn’t even half as good as Stoneheart.

I think you should play ele, equip Fire Air and Water and see how long you last in a fight. The class has been nerfed as much as it could be nerfed, so much that lousy skills like Diamond Skin had to become our last refuge just because we have to take everything to bunk up just to stay alive.

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

Well the circle goes on.. diamond skin inst passive..

Bark skin inst passive, it olny works when yours hp is above 90%, If you dont have any condi pressure then its your fault /shrug.

And it doesnt really matter how much access classes have to resistance compared to protection. Theres also cleanses people forgetting about. I dont think you should autowin vs some wanderer/rabin build just bc you slotted a trait. Thats bs. Im going to sleep so bye.

If only the traits it is not op but with the massive heal which make it op.
Personally I wish there is 50% less heal in pvp which make the game not just bunk vs bunk

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

Burtnik.5218:

Well the circle goes on.. diamond skin inst passive..

Bark skin inst passive, it olny works when yours hp is above 90%, If you dont have any condi pressure then its your fault /shrug.

And it doesnt really matter how much access classes have to resistance compared to protection. Theres also cleanses people forgetting about. I dont think you should autowin vs some wanderer/rabin build just bc you slotted a trait. Thats bs. Im going to sleep so bye.

Yeah and there’s also heals for direct damage. Lmao. Why does it not matter? It matters entirely. If everyone has access to 33% direct damage reduction then condi damage would definitely be favored over it. It works on top of your existing toughness too. So..

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

Sure, this game isn’t based around 1v1’s but as why not? Because just about every MMO I’ve played out there. I have experienced counter’s to classes or builds, but I’ve never experienced hard counters. and hard counter’s to a class or build is just not fun. That’s just the way it is.

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

Sure, this game isn’t based around 1v1’s but as why not? Because just about every MMO I’ve played out there. I have experienced counter’s to classes or builds, but I’ve never experienced hard counters. and hard counter’s to a class or build is just not fun. That’s just the way it is.

Fun is subjective. Some people may find the ‘rock paper scissors’ way of balancing fun. This is not the first time hard counters have been in gw2 meta either.

Warlord.9074:

It’s easy to push buttons apply a few condis then run around. If you can’t deal with Diamond skin you are probably bad and use condis to carry you. They need to nerf condis not diamond skin.

Seriously?

Running condi means that you

1) have to be able to get around blocks and invulns in order to apply the condi
2) have to cover important condis so that they don’t get wiped by the 101 cleanses in this game.
3) have to watch out for players running condi transfers so you don’t kill yourself with your own condi
4) have to deal with the fact that the majority of condi builds have little burst.
5) have your dps hugely affected by condi duration reduction traits.
6) have to deal with lolimmune diamond skin.

The other thing with Diamond Skin that people never talk about is that Diamond skin also gives immunity to things like Fear and Cripple. In the case of Necro (whose only forms of CC are cripple and Fear) which means that not only can the Necro not apply their main form of damage, but the Necro cannot even apply any form of target control. Which makes getting them below 90% that much harder.

Diamond skin is fine, there needs to be someone to keep condition reapers in check. Just tested it recently, and chilblains by itself does 6k on a condi build while the opponent has rune of melandru, if the condi arent cleansed.

As far as I see it, diamond skin is only an issue in low mmr where condition reapers try to kill anti condition bunkers by themselves, or teams cant press ctrl+j to focus on a target. Ele can heal alot, but cc is very effective at shutting them down, as most arent running any kind of stability, few on demand stunbreaks, and only a single invulnerability.

It really cant be said enough:
Diamond skin is a grandmaster trait that does absolutely nothing unless the lowest health profession is above 90% hp

I’d be willing to see boons have up to an innate 3% condition damage reduction for each unique boon type for all professions if it meant reworking diamond skin.

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

I like how people don’t even pull the L2P argument with DS like they do when defending a lot of imbalanced stuff. You know there is a problem when instead it’s “don’t even bother to play, let your teammates do all the work”. That’s just not fun at all.

Proper DS fix: Diamond Skin breaks when it absorbs X incoming conditions or HP drops below 80% HP (30s ICD).

LastLetter.7938:

Diamond skin is fine, there needs to be someone to keep condition reapers in check. Just tested it recently, and chilblains by itself does 6k on a condi build while the opponent has rune of melandru, if the condi arent cleansed.

As far as I see it, diamond skin is only an issue in low mmr where condition reapers try to kill anti condition bunkers by themselves, or teams cant press ctrl+j to focus on a target. Ele can heal alot, but cc is very effective at shutting them down, as most arent running any kind of stability, few on demand stunbreaks, and only a single invulnerability.

It really cant be said enough:
Diamond skin is a grandmaster trait that does absolutely nothing unless the lowest health profession is above 90% hp

If we are making such a big deal about Ele’s being the lowest health pool, can we also talk about the effective health of the Ele, or maybe all the ways they have to heal? Maybe even how Ele’s make the argument that “if you nerf DS then Reapers will take Ele’s out of meta,” but completely ignore that Ele’s completely take Reapers out of meta currently. It’s a case of “it’s okay to happen to you, but not me.”

Reapers need adjusting and DS needs changing. Both these things can be true and benefit the game.

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Bolded the crucial parts out…

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Bolded the crucial parts out…

rekt.

The sad part about diamond skin is that the elementalist is free to stand in the middle of the point without performing a single dodge.
He can just sit there, dish out dps rotation, keep regegenration up and heal from time to time, while any attack you do deals about 400 damage and makes 3-4 “immune” floaters pop up.
A condi build simply can’t hold a point in the current meta… With the possible exception of some condi ranger builds where the pet might provide enough combined power damage to tear down the diamond skin.

May be you should just stop playing condi?

I never had problem with player using diamond skin.
+ you are only saying it is OP. did you bring some solutions?

Xillllix.3485:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Xillllix.3485:

They need to nerf condi and passive play, not Diamond Skin.

Hit the ele once or twice and its gone. Diamond skin only negates the engage condi.

If the ele didn’t fart out healing, this would be true.

That said, with only two condi builds seeing play, I’m not sure condi really needs a nerf. People just aren’t running cleanse.

Diamond Skin doesn’t need a nerf, it needs a rework.

Diamond Skin was given to the ele because the class has the lowest base armor and health survivability. Seriously, Diamond skin isn’t that good, it’s only good now because people are running cheesy condi spam.
An ele using earth already gives up on his biggest damage modifiers. It just doesn’t need a nerf… and when an ele is running healing it aint running damage either.

Any class can bunk up and hold point, now because bunkering up it’s the only thing left the ele can do people are blaming bunker ele. If you nerf that you destroy the class.

So why is it when ele is running water/earth/attunement and using bunkering runes and amulets it can still win fights?
Also to clarify, warrior can’t bunker. Neither can thief. Guardian is becoming sketchy at it. Revenant can’t really bunker, only sustain. Yet ele can bunker, so can mesmer, druid is good at it and scrapper can as well…so whatever you were saying about low Hp, low armour etc has been negated that the lowest and the weakest are currently the best at doing it.

The funny part is Diamond Skin was never considered before, Diamond Skin isn’t OP by itself, the exaggerated condi meta made it strong.

LastLetter.7938:

Diamond skin is fine, there needs to be someone to keep condition reapers in check. Just tested it recently, and chilblains by itself does 6k on a condi build while the opponent has rune of melandru, if the condi arent cleansed.

As far as I see it, diamond skin is only an issue in low mmr where condition reapers try to kill anti condition bunkers by themselves, or teams cant press ctrl+j to focus on a target. Ele can heal alot, but cc is very effective at shutting them down, as most arent running any kind of stability, few on demand stunbreaks, and only a single invulnerability.

It really cant be said enough:
Diamond skin is a grandmaster trait that does absolutely nothing unless the lowest health profession is above 90% hp

Poor ele with only a few on demand stunbreakers and one invulnerability. Guardian shown for years now low HP is no justification of giving over tuned traits. Who cares you have the lowest HP when you also have some of the highest toughness, plentiful heals and near 90% up time on protection. Warrior is living proof that even with multiple stun break, High HP, high toughness, lots of stun breaks, but no true invulnerability or protection or mutliple healing sources it doesn’t mean jack. They get dropped like flies. Just because it grandmaster also doesn’t justify it. You get to elect 3 grandmaster traits as opposed to 2..so the trade off opportunity cost is lesser today than it has historically been.

roamzero.9486:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

ReaperJr.5967:

Brighteluden.2974:

I main a reaper and there is one thing that ticks me off about diamond skin and that is the immunity to my non damaging CC condi’s. That shouldn’t be a thing. It’s just not cool when I have set a few marks down and the ele just walks right over them without having to dodge and just easily avoids the chill or fear.

See, this is the problem with majority of complaints about diamond skin atm. ‘Oh it counters my build’ or ‘I don’t like how it works against me ’ so ‘NERF PLZ’.

That’s the thing no build should hard counter any other build in the name of balance. There should be more counter play involved. It just gets stale when you’re seeing nothing but immunites pop up. I got close to 3k hours on my necro, so I’m not just some guy that just started playing necro and I’m on my final tier in ruby by just playing necro. PvP is just stale as heck right now.

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

I like how people don’t even pull the L2P argument with DS like they do when defending a lot of imbalanced stuff. You know there is a problem when instead it’s “don’t even bother to play, let your teammates do all the work”. That’s just not fun at all.

Proper DS fix: Diamond Skin breaks when it absorbs X incoming conditions or HP drops below 80% HP (30s ICD).

What? What are you even talking about? It’s the same reason you don’t send a warrior to contest a point against a condi build, or a mesmer against a thief, in the old meta. That’s the point of rotations. To get favourable matchups so you win the point. How’s that letting your team mates do all the work?

Khainz.6215:

The funny part is Diamond Skin was never considered before, Diamond Skin isn’t OP by itself, the exaggerated condi meta made it strong.

Even back then, it was a poorly designed trait. The reason that it’s so oppressive now is because tempests have permanent or near-permanent 40% damage reduction, powerful auras (just try to burst them down when they have shock, frost, or magnetic aura up) and even more insane healing. Getting them below 90% health is difficult without controlling conditions to set up a burst and when they have 40% damage reduction, but it’s nearly impossible to keep them that way for long enough to do much of anything.

ReaperJr.5967:

Yeah and there’s also heals for direct damage. Lmao.

There also heals for condi damage, unless conditions disable your healing abilities completely? But then why i even bother when youre spoiled by your immunity ez trait? I wouldnt want it to be taken from me either.

ReaperJr.5967:

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

This game is not even balanced around 5v5. All i see is class stacking while everything else (mostly) feels useless. Put 2 eles on point and call it a day.

Khainz.6215:

The funny part is Diamond Skin was never considered before, Diamond Skin isn’t OP by itself, the exaggerated condi meta made it strong.

There is no “exaggerated condi meta” that’s just something that these forums seem to always believe exists. There is only 2 working condi builds in higher level play right now and rev is even dropping it in favor of power shiro now since the Mallyx nerfs. Necro is the other build, but they were designed to be good at condi, it’s pretty much all they have over other classes since they are slow and have close to 0 team support along with mediocre dmg on targets above 50% hp on its power build. Other than that the meta is all power builds or builds like cele scrapper that are still 70% power dmg. Now if by condi you meant CC, then yes, the amount of CC in the game right now is pretty crazy, but that includes non-conditions like stun and daze, not just chill.

Khainz.6215:

The funny part is Diamond Skin was never considered before, Diamond Skin isn’t OP by itself, the exaggerated condi meta made it strong.

WRONG…people have been complaining about DS for quite some time now.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

So why is it when ele is running water/earth/attunement and using bunkering runes and amulets it can still win fights?

Because apparently you guys never played ele so you have no clue how to fight one. When I play on my Reaper I just destroy eles, it’s so easy to lock them out of skill usage. Diamond Skin or not…

They can nerf Diamond Skin for all we care it’s not really good. You’ll just be back here complaining about Stone Heart.

Xillllix.3485:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

So why is it when ele is running water/earth/attunement and using bunkering runes and amulets it can still win fights?

Because apparently you guys never played ele so you have no clue how to fight one. When I play on my Reaper I just destroy eles, it’s so easy to lock them out of skill usage. Diamond Skin or not…

They can nerf Diamond Skin for all we care it’s not really good. You’ll just be back here complaining about Stone Heart.

I, personally, will not. Stone heart doesn’t stop me from fearing, blinding, weakening, crippling, or immobilizing them.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Warlord.9074:

It’s easy to push buttons apply a few condis then run around. If you can’t deal with Diamond skin you are probably bad and use condis to carry you. They need to nerf condis not diamond skin.

It’s easy to push buttons, deal direct damage, and just kill your opponent then run around without worry of being hit.

Seriously, quit trying to pull the “condition builds are skilless” crap. The only thing skilless about them is the people that don’t understand which attacks to avoid because they don’t put big numbers up instantly.

Sorry, but if you don’t even try to avoid my heavy hitters, you should die quickly.

While there is a lack of condition removals opposed to the amount of condition applications it really is skill-less.

Most of the builds I play in PvP is condition based because it’s easier to play, I spam my skills, conditions apply, people die. I don’t need to worry about chasing someone to hit their hit box or anything like that, I don’t need to might stack first or set up my “Burst”.. I just apply a few conditions, they cleanse, I apply more, they cleanse, I apply more, they have no cleanse, I apply more, I apply more, I apply more, they dead.

The scary thing with Diamond Skin right now seems to be how well it works in conjunction with tempest, and the earth line giving the ele the ability to get a high uptime on % damage reduction, which makes it hard to kill on the power side; AND, despite having a low hp stat, Conditions are unable to do their magic on the ele until a power build brings the ele’s health down, which is hard to do when the ele is always taking at least -40% damage.

Xillllix.3485:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

So why is it when ele is running water/earth/attunement and using bunkering runes and amulets it can still win fights?

Because apparently you guys never played ele so you have no clue how to fight one. When I play on my Reaper I just destroy eles, it’s so easy to lock them out of skill usage. Diamond Skin or not…

They can nerf Diamond Skin for all we care it’s not really good. You’ll just be back here complaining about Stone Heart.

Play better ele’s. Stomping inexperienced players in hotjoin is not exactly an achievement. Despite your meek manner the reality showcases your view point is not accepted on any level.
1) there is a reason ele and diamond has been consistently used in every tournament for the last year.
2) You can’t refute the original statement that if ele is trapped in such weak trait lines, why are they still winning?
3) Their outstanding protection, regeneration, boon stacking more than makes up for any HP disparity.
4) Aura healing 1-1.3k which can be strung together at steady pace more than covers any time you knock off 1.8k on them.
5) They can push toughness to levels that trivialize burst to the point that team targeting is needed.
6) They have well above average movement.
7) Boon stripping is little more than inconvenient for them.
8) They currently are still in top 3% most effective bunkers.
9) 20 weapons skills at their disposal which include secondary effects of reflect, snares.
10) They possess a single medium length cool down heal that can remove 5 conditions, let alone water line.
11) Mentioning reaper is anecdotal. Play a necro with scepter/dagger and all boon corruption you can carry. See if your opinion doesn’t change. This entirely showcases how one sided diamond skin is. If you find yourself having to pick the strongest condition profession, then elite specc’ing it. Then running a very specific build with weapons just so you can get a small advantage over one single trait, the shows the trait is overall unhealthy.
12) Even veteran ele players in their own forums are admitting diamond skin is too much.
13) It is a crutch trait, just like last stand for warrior. It limits diversity for the future, because it is just too good not use.
14) If the meta changed to burst/spike tomorrow..ele would be out of meta as well. this is a number of situations that could push any profession out of the meta. That doesn’t justify nothing be done. It instead promotes we do nothing and nothing ever changes.

how many more reasons are needed for traits of this nature to be adjusted?

Nova Stiker.8396:

If they remove diamond skin Reapers will take elementalists completely out of the meta.

I’m completely ok with Reaper’s being in the meta and ele’s not.

Burtnik.5218:

ReaperJr.5967:

Yeah and there’s also heals for direct damage. Lmao.

There also heals for condi damage, unless conditions disable your healing abilities completely? But then why i even bother when youre spoiled by your immunity ez trait? I wouldnt want it to be taken from me either.

ReaperJr.5967:

Why not? This game isnt based on 1v1s. It’s a 5v5. Contesting a point in a matchup unfavourable to you? Get a team mate to rotate over.

This game is not even balanced around 5v5. All i see is class stacking while everything else (mostly) feels useless. Put 2 eles on point and call it a day.

Yeah and you’re spoiled by your condi ez spam and since diamond skin is the only trait that forces you to l2p, you want it taken away. I can sympathise. Anyone who has played condi builds know how easy they are to play. I wouldn’t want to make things difficult for myself either.

Your anti-ele bias is so blatant i’m not even gonna bother trying to make you see sense. I’ll bet 50 if diamond skin is nerfed you’ll be back complaining about cleansing water because we kitten out more cleanse than you apply condis lmao.