Guild Wars 2

tl; dr
turn 5 vs 4 hotjoin matches into 4 vs 4, the 5th player on the team with more players will have to wait in line before respawning.

5 vs 4 is not fun, i’m sure many solo arena regulars would agree.
at least in hotjoin, we can somewhat fix it with entering spectator mode to force auto balance, and then do one of the following:

1. join the winning team, join the fight and rub it in on your former team mates.

2. join the winning team, wait it out and let them fight 4 vs 4 since your new team is leading the score by a huge margin, and will very likely win the match anyway.

3. join the losing team, try to help the losing team win or lessen the score gap.

i noticed that most people seems to take up the option #1 while very rarely people will go for option #2 and option #3 is not possible sometimes as some autobalanced players will go back to the winning team.

it just seems that players enjoy 5 vs 4, and enjoy being on the team with more players. auto balance is unable to fix 5 vs 4 at all.

the only way to have fair matches is to force even matches only, that is
1 vs 1
2 vs 2
3 vs 3
4 vs 4
5 vs 5

by having queued respawn waves, which has been suggested before by other people in this forum, but our requests fell of deaf ears. anet has not bothered to reply at all, this is extremely demotivating, discouraging, disappointing etc.

so for uneven matches such as
2 vs 1
3 vs 2
4 vs 3
5 vs 4

the players on the team with more players will take turns to respawn until the teams are even.

for example, in a 5 vs 4 match, only 8 players will be alive and playing, the 5th member of the team with extra players will not enter the respawn wave until one of their team member has been killed. the newly killed player will then need to wait until another team member has died before entering the respawn wave.

this will ensure matches are always even, and players who enjoy joining the winning team will have to face far longer respawn time when they are dead.

discuss, please.

8 hours and no reply.

i take it that every hotjoiner in the forums enjoy being on the team with 5 players while steam rolling the other team with 4 players then.

the main reason why some people are complaining on these forums is because spectator mode and auto balance interferes with their 5 vs 4 steam rolling experience.

they whine and complain because even though they get their win rewards after being auto balanced, they still very much prefer to be in the team of 5 players in order to bully the other team with 4 players.

this is the real problem with hotjoin.

edited the topic and added a tl; dr summary

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

they whine and complain because even though they get their win rewards

I know a lot of you already said this.
All they need to do is, fix soloq first
punish afkers (banhammer if need be), let the majority numbers (if there’s any) in soloq migrate in hotjoin
cap soloq reward progression (by doing so), give them incentives and make leaderboard exclusively in soloq (for individuality) let them compete for something atleast.
got flashy name on leaderboard? (insert reward here)

so as teamq, cap reward and make it 5man que (must be a full roster to que)
let them clash team vs team
besides all they want is self entitlement for their bragging rights, incentives by releasing the Ladder system (for teams exclusively).
Automated tournament weekly (or daily), bring back the 8teams vs 8teams.
Winners (insert reward here)
if they has the balls enough let them compete in our so called esport scene (monthly live tournament)
and WTS.

Remove reward cap in hotjoin
make hotjoin working as intended as a learning ground (conquest, class, profession, builds, skill animation, positioning, scouting, rotations, enemy skill CD, maths) by spectating ,they learn. if people learn this they are ready for rated battle.
fix bugs (course i do not need to say this anymore, they are obliged for this already)
macros, illegal third party program (Banhammer is a must).
you cannot fix uneven numbers in hotjoin (prove me wrong please)
no one takes hotjoin seriously
its all about fun under the sun
and learning
they can do soloq or teamque if too serious.

tl:dr of course i kid, all i want is ruin this game.

In any game mode (hotjoin, teamq, solo, w/e) the team with more people can’t score any points until one person benches themself to spawn. Fixed.

This seems pretty unfair to the team with 5 players. Punishing the other team for what 1 dirtbag did just seems wrong. There are other ways to reduce the number of 4v5s without hurting the team that did nothing wrong:

• Make every player “Read Up” before you are transported to the arena like CS:GO. This means that if someone is AFK the game will not start and the team that had everyone ready up goes back into queue.

• If someone rage quits then allow the team with 4 players to /resign. If 3 of them do, then the game ends. The team with 5 is credited with a win, but the side with 4 players don’t receive a loss. No one is punished, and the team that would have probably won anyways still gets the win without having to play a boring 1 sided match.

Those 2 changes would make there be fewer 4v5s at the start because most are AFKs, and would make those that result from rage quits wouldn’t result in a loss that you didn’t deserve.

I (and probably a few others before me) have reported this issue months ago but so far this hasn’t been even acknowledged as an issue by ANet.

@BurrTheKing.8571 This thread is about Hotjoin Winning-Team-Join, not solo-q.

gotta say i’m not a fan of this idea, i play hotjoin because i like the lack of downtime,
i usually only have one night a week were work or personal life permits me to have a long pvp sessions, i don’t do tournaments because i don’t want to spend 60% of that time waiting.

so to have a mandatory wait forced upon you just because your team took the lead and someone on the other team decided to leave just doesn’t seem like the answer to me, the quitter should be punished, not me!

i’d prefer that they just fix spectator and team select with proper restrictions
(or simply remove them entirely since we all know the pvp devs are oh-so busy.)