Guild Wars 2

there were times… there were times when hotjoins were referred as “best implementation of casual pvp in any video game”, and imo it was fair.

but for a while now, side picking has gone overboard. its unplayable. the only click you have to deliver is siding with couple of players who carried last game and then you might as well afk. and if you got autobalanced on the losing team, you better switch into viewer and wait for s’one else to get autobalanced to take his place. all in all – its no fun, no game. its not that you cant win on the other side (which you cant), but its that you cant play. you’ll always get 100 to 0 in couple of seconds by players double of yours in number and skill.

pls fix side picking in hj. there was a suggestion to show scores in the end of the game with all names/ranks but that of self hidden. there are other solutions. but this needs a fix.

ps: i know that i can go and soloQ or tPVP.

What we need is an unranked team or solo queue. Then there really would be no reason to enter hj. Right now, it is still the best place to go to try new specs.

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Sometimes I (rank 50, tend to really well) switch to the losing side just to see if I can switch the game around, and sometimes, it works

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

Serdoc.7261:

Sometimes I (rank 50, tend to really well) switch to the losing side just to see if I can switch the game around, and sometimes, it works

Often works for 5v5, much harder in 8v8 though.

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

I used to hotjoin a lot, but lately I don’t feel the slightest interest in playing. It is not once in a while, it is constant 5 VS 4 and auto balances that end with the losing team still with one less (AKA team swapping).

The cheese is brutal. For the interest of ‘winning’ people do the kittentiest things of which ragequitting and team swapping are only two.

It comes to a point that the only thing I’d ask is to have a 5 VS 5 and let the gods sort them out.

hotjoin right now is in its worst state ever,
i feel its all down to the meta and the devs inability/unwillingness to balance their game.
every single match will have multiple hambow clones rolling their gormless faces across their keyboards, aswell as the usual PWthieves displaying their skills at smashing “3” repeatedly, throw in a condi warrior, terrormancer or MM, afew PU/shatter mesmers and ofcourse a decap engi and viola, you have the current cesspool of filthy builds that we call hotjoin.

Liewec.2896:

viola, you have the current cesspool of filthy builds that we call hotjoin.

The builds are exactly the same in ranked matches. In fact I’d say moreso because at least in hotjoin you might see the odd person trying a new build or something, in ranked everyone already knows what they should be playing and just goes with that.

I think it would be better to rename ‘hot-join’ to ‘thief and mesmer-join’ pvp.

At least you know what to expect

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

You gain 500 glory if you win, 5 if you volunteer. If there’s any reward beside that I don’t know it.

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

You gain 500 glory if you win, 5 if you volunteer. If there’s any reward beside that I don’t know it.

if you volunteer, you get the win bonus of 500 rank points provided if you stay until the end of the match.

along with the minor volunteer bonus rank points.

and 15 silvers for a win in a hotjoin / custom arena game.

so did you learn something new today?

they should remove the button to choose your team and let everyone join random like it was before the Custom arena Patch

Hm, maybe this is why I end up on the losing side quite a bit.. I don’t attempt any of this switching. Tbh, why is this even there? And the constant 5v4, 6v5s or whatever do get tiresome. I find myself often on the team with fewer people. In a perfect world, it would be nice if the matches didn’t start until there were an even number of people and then only let people join two at a time after that, just to at least keep numbers balanced.

Solo queue is the new hotjoin. Hotjoin should be renamed “hotmess”.

azuzephyr.7280:

Liewec.2896:

viola, you have the current cesspool of filthy builds that we call hotjoin.

The builds are exactly the same in ranked matches.

agreed that ranked also have the same issue,
but there are an extra 6 people thrown in to the hotjoin cesspool,
plus there is no structure so you won’t be fighting 1/2/3 of them at a time,
there will be a mindless zerg of meta clones rolling around the maps.

i like to play fun builds in hotjoin, i have done since release,
and while it has always put me at a disadvantage against the meta builds it has never been as bad as in this meta,

the current meta builds are just so low risk/high reward that it makes playing as anything else just not fun.

you do have the odd games were there are no meta clones and its really fun,
games full of people using different builds with different strengths and weaknesses,
but they usually end up getting ruined in the end by some idiot with his copy/paste god build joining the game.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

You gain 500 glory if you win, 5 if you volunteer. If there’s any reward beside that I don’t know it.

if you volunteer, you get the win bonus of 500 rank points provided if you stay until the end of the match.

along with the minor volunteer bonus rank points.

and 15 silvers for a win in a hotjoin / custom arena game.

so did you learn something new today?

Ofc since you’ve been in both teams you will gain the 500 glory, that is not a reward for volunteering, that is the reward for winning. The 15 silver comes with the victory so same thing.

So yes, I learned that if you stayed in the winning team in the first place, you would still have those rewards. Thank you deimos !

Hotjoin will always be a mess but here’s some things that can be done to at least make it a lot less frustrating and stupid for everyone, especially newer low ranked players.

Implement one or two of these changes:

1. Get rid of the option to pick a side.
2. Make it so that it adds 2 players (1 per team) at a time so that teams will never be uneven.
3. Narrow the gap between the win and loss rewards (probably lower the overall rank points compared to solo and team q) to discourage manipulating autobalance to get on the winning team. People are more desperate to win now since you get so much more rank points for winning. Sure this might dampen the competitive spirit of the game but let’s be honest, this is hotjoin, it’s a hot mess and if you’re looking for a real challenge this is not the mode to be in.

i see discussion is drifting towards rewards, which is important, but i’d rather us talk about how to avoid unplayable, no fun game. that’s main problem.

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

You gain 500 glory if you win, 5 if you volunteer. If there’s any reward beside that I don’t know it.

if you volunteer, you get the win bonus of 500 rank points provided if you stay until the end of the match.

gesho.9468:

i see discussion is drifting towards rewards, which is important, but i’d rather us talk about how to avoid unplayable, no fun game. that’s main problem.

well, i think one method is to blind the score board player character names before the match starts, during the match, only show the names after the match ended.

how would that be?

along with the minor volunteer bonus rank points.

and 15 silvers for a win in a hotjoin / custom arena game.

so did you learn something new today?

Ofc since you’ve been in both teams you will gain the 500 glory, that is not a reward for volunteering, that is the reward for winning. The 15 silver comes with the victory so same thing.

So yes, I learned that if you stayed in the winning team in the first place, you would still have those rewards. Thank you deimos !

errr sorry but i think you may not have gotten it yet.

if you get auto balanced to the other team, you will get at least 500 rank points and 15 silvers. it does not matter if your current team loses or wins. you will get 500 rank points and 15 silvers, provided if you were in that match from the start until the end.

you get the end match win bonus if you get auto balanced by force or by volunteer.

try it out and see it for yourselves.

gesho.9468:

i see discussion is drifting towards rewards, which is important, but i’d rather us talk about how to avoid unplayable, no fun game. that’s main problem.

mask hide the player character names before the match and during the match. only unhide unmask the player character names after the match is over.

would that work?

so what if players remember the names of “top players” in the scoreboard, they will never know which team they choose.

also mask the player names for spectators.

also mask hide the live scores for spectators.

Meh hotjoin is ok in doses. Getting mugged 3/4v1 by a bunch of warr/mes/theif rats….er Asura gets on my nerves. When I feel the rage start to build, like the hulk, I stop and breath deeply and do something else:D

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Uhtameit.2413:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

you know when u get autobalanced and switch to a losing team you still will get the win bonus, thats why i alway volunteer to be switch so sure win bonus.

Given that the bonus is 1% of what you gain if you win the game, it’s not very enticing.

what 1%? what are you talking about?
if you auto balance by volunteer or by force, you get 15 silvers win bonus and winning rank points plus any top stats rank points bonus you may have.

not 1% so what are you going on about?

however, i can relate if being shoved to the “losing team” sometimes can mean steam rolled quite badly. i had my fair share of those experiences.

does not stop me from playing in hotjoin servers though.

because that is what hotjoin is about.

same thing happens in counter strike, team fortress etc.
one dominant player in one side could make some difference.

You gain 500 glory if you win, 5 if you volunteer. If there’s any reward beside that I don’t know it.

if you volunteer, you get the win bonus of 500 rank points provided if you stay until the end of the match.

gesho.9468:

i see discussion is drifting towards rewards, which is important, but i’d rather us talk about how to avoid unplayable, no fun game. that’s main problem.

well, i think one method is to blind the score board player character names before the match starts, during the match, only show the names after the match ended.

how would that be?

along with the minor volunteer bonus rank points.

and 15 silvers for a win in a hotjoin / custom arena game.

so did you learn something new today?

Ofc since you’ve been in both teams you will gain the 500 glory, that is not a reward for volunteering, that is the reward for winning. The 15 silver comes with the victory so same thing.

So yes, I learned that if you stayed in the winning team in the first place, you would still have those rewards. Thank you deimos !

errr sorry but i think you may not have gotten it yet.

if you get auto balanced to the other team, you will get at least 500 rank points and 15 silvers. it does not matter if your current team loses or wins. you will get 500 rank points and 15 silvers, provided if you were in that match from the start until the end.

you get the end match win bonus if you get auto balanced by force or by volunteer.

try it out and see it for yourselves.

xDDD Seems you don’t understand rewards in HotJoin, allow me to explain :

when you win, you earn 500 rank points and 15 silver. Assuming you were in the winning blue team so far, you are switched. Two possibilities from there :

1)Of course auto-balance has been improved, so you keep the reward you were going to earn had you stayed in the blue team. Blue team wins, you earn 500 rank points and 15 silver.

2) Blue team actually starts to lose, and Red team in which you are is getting the upper hand. Red Team wins, you earn 500 rank points and 15 silver.

So yes, yes indeed, once you have been autobalanced, you earn the win rewards regardless. But you would have gotten them if you had not been balanced in the first place (provided your team wins which would make sense since the other team is quitting). That’s not a reward for volunteering, that’s a reward for winning. Since I play with friends, most of the time I’d rather stay in the same team anyway.

In any case, I hope the reward system is clearer to you now : there is no reward for volunteering that you can’t get just by winning.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

gesho.9468:

i see discussion is drifting towards rewards, which is important, but i’d rather us talk about how to avoid unplayable, no fun game. that’s main problem.

mask hide the player character names before the match and during the match. only unhide unmask the player character names after the match is over.

would that work?

so what if players remember the names of “top players” in the scoreboard, they will never know which team they choose.

also mask the player names for spectators.

also mask hide the live scores for spectators.

Just hide the ranks, they’re particularly meaningless now. I’ve seen quite a few games where the players with the top score were noobs anyway, so that’s not a reliable way to determine if the players are good or not.