Guild Wars 2

I’ve never really played spvp at all, but I was really close to next achievement chest, so I wanted to get the spvp daily done. I noticed there was some dueling servers, i say hey, why not.

I joined as warrior, dueled for a good 4 hours, had a good time, fought 30+ different players, beat or drawn every single one except for one person. and over half the people i beat started calling me bad and that i was using a bad build, after i had won. if my build is so terrible, then how did i win? i don’t understand. i mean i never once claimed i was good, or bragged about winning, and yet ..

i was using axe/shield + LB, with shout heals. is this some sort of taboo forbidden build to use in spvp? i mean i was able to easily beat condi necros, , spirit rangers, mm necros, condi warriors, phantasm, pu/condi mesmers, every single thief and guardian, i mean you name it. are they just mad that their fotm builds lost? i don’t understand.

why do people get so mad after they lose duels? i’m glad atleast one person was able to consistently destroy me.

is this usually how duels go in spvp? just trash talk after losing? if that’s the case i guess i better think again before goign back l0l

did u have healing signet?

……………….

This is the reason I hardly ever duel. I hate listening to trash talkers or people that make excuses/whine. Or people that just use cookie cutter specs. If you are gonna duel, you should be trying out your own builds. But, to each their own I guess.

First, the title seems heavily generalized (and unfair against some mannered players). :>
Secondly, don’t get hung up over it. If they lost, they lost. If it was a “bad” build, whatever, a won duel is a won duel. Duels are also dynamic encounters in which mistakes can be made and it could be that they searched blame on you.
The frustration which probably underlines these reactions (or actions) stems from a more complex issue I feel though a good reason can at least be bias towards warriors since their recent imbalance and over-dominance.

This post sounds like bait…

In the off chance it isn’t, although many might be sore losers, most aren’t like that.

Enjoy.

wads.5730:

i was using axe/shield + LB, with shout heals. is this some sort of taboo forbidden build to use in spvp? i mean i was able to easily beat condi necros, , spirit rangers, mm necros, condi warriors, phantasm, pu/condi mesmers, every single thief and guardian, i mean you name it. are they just mad that their fotm builds lost? i don’t understand.

why do people get so mad after they lose duels? i’m glad atleast one person was able to consistently destroy me.

is this usually how duels go in spvp? just trash talk after losing? if that’s the case i guess i better think again before goign back l0l

In duel servers its usually not allowed to use “bunkery” specs. In most cases its written in the server description but even if it isnt… its an unwritten rule of duel servers.

And no youre probs not full out bunker. But playing with something like shouts or banner heals basicly means half of the classes dont have enough dps to out dps your heals. Especially if they dont have poisons like eles for example.

Locuz.2651:

wads.5730:

i was using axe/shield + LB, with shout heals. is this some sort of taboo forbidden build to use in spvp? i mean i was able to easily beat condi necros, , spirit rangers, mm necros, condi warriors, phantasm, pu/condi mesmers, every single thief and guardian, i mean you name it. are they just mad that their fotm builds lost? i don’t understand.

why do people get so mad after they lose duels? i’m glad atleast one person was able to consistently destroy me.

is this usually how duels go in spvp? just trash talk after losing? if that’s the case i guess i better think again before goign back l0l

In duel servers its usually not allowed to use “bunkery” specs. In most cases its written in the server description but even if it isnt… its an unwritten rule of duel servers.

And no youre probs not full out bunker. But playing with something like shouts or banner heals basicly means half of the classes dont have enough dps to out dps your heals. Especially if they dont have poisons like eles for example.

I’ve played the worst of all, Condi banner regen warrior, people didn’t always cry and I lost a few. Most people just don’t want infinite duels, so if you can survive AND do enough damage to actually kill someone, that’s fair game. It’s called having a good 1v1 build.

Bunker Guardian on the otherhand, not so much. they do like 0 damage and just try to live. Obviously those are frowned upon, but if you LOST to one of them, I’d say you have no room to call anyone a nub. x.X

Overall, I just think people like to kitten if they lose. I bet most of them have 1v1 builds too that are just as cheesy and probably more mainstream. People just don’t like to lose and that’s the bottom line.

lol dueling in gw2

Maverick Holix.1382:

lol dueling in gw2

This ^^. That game is not balanced around 1v1. It is balanced around small group fights. A decent mesmer should be able to beat any other class. They are the best 1v1 class.

Lemme guess the skilled 11k eviscerate to the face sponsored by intelligence sigil?

duel servers are generally places for relatively new pvp’ers to learn their class better and explore builds.

good players don’t go to duel servers to practice with randoms because they only need to practice vs tournament specs, and very few players in duel servers run tournament specs

hopefully with this insight you can stop flattering yourself thinking spvpers are all inferiors human beings

personally in the few times i have checked these servers out I have never experienced the type of thing you are talking about

style.6173:

A decent mesmer should be able to beat any other class. They are the best 1v1 class.

Lol no they’re not. They’re not for the same reasons why thief isn’t.

Ugruk.4069:

Lemme guess the skilled 11k eviscerate to the face sponsored by intelligence sigil?

Don’t forget the kraft sponsor.

In the Angz duel server you’re not allowed Soldier’s, Cleric’s or Settler’s Amulets, did you use any of those, if so that might be why ppl were shouting at you. The duel server is set up so there isn’t ridiculous tanky stuff that slows down play and stops people having a turn. Same reason why Prismatic Understanding is banned.

People also tend to get kittened off at Condi Mesmers and Condi Warriors just because awful players can win a lot with them, so people who frequent the server tend to try to shame people who use these builds to stop their use.

wads.5730:

I’ve never really played spvp at all, but I was really close to next achievement chest, so I wanted to get the spvp daily done. I noticed there was some dueling servers, i say hey, why not.

I joined as warrior, dueled for a good 4 hours, had a good time, fought 30+ different players, beat or drawn every single one except for one person. and over half the people i beat started calling me bad and that i was using a bad build, after i had won. if my build is so terrible, then how did i win? i don’t understand. i mean i never once claimed i was good, or bragged about winning, and yet ..

i was using axe/shield + LB, with shout heals. is this some sort of taboo forbidden build to use in spvp? i mean i was able to easily beat condi necros, , spirit rangers, mm necros, condi warriors, phantasm, pu/condi mesmers, every single thief and guardian, i mean you name it. are they just mad that their fotm builds lost? i don’t understand.

why do people get so mad after they lose duels? i’m glad atleast one person was able to consistently destroy me.

is this usually how duels go in spvp? just trash talk after losing? if that’s the case i guess i better think again before goign back l0l

You wanted to do daily achievements so you joined a dueling server? Heheh.

GW2 wasn’t designed for 1v1s. The dueling community is a little weird because only certain builds really allow for fun, even duels. There are currently a few too many hardcounters and pure duel/troll specs but useless for any kind of real fight in the actual game. That’s not a big deal anywhere except dueling servers.

Because of that, dueling servers sometimes attract some…characters. The PvP community isn’t amazing, but it’s actually better than most of WvW and PvE from what I’ve seen. I think the portion you experienced could be compared to the zerk only CoE farming community in PvE.

don’t take madchat so seriously. laugh at an angry redfaced kid behind a monitor and move on.

Coulter.2315:

In the Angz duel server you’re not allowed Soldier’s, Cleric’s or Settler’s Amulets, did you use any of those, if so that might be why ppl were shouting at you. The duel server is set up so there isn’t ridiculous tanky stuff that slows down play and stops people having a turn. Same reason why Prismatic Understanding is banned.

People also tend to get kittened off at Condi Mesmers and Condi Warriors just because awful players can win a lot with them, so people who frequent the server tend to try to shame people who use these builds to stop their use.

In theory, a warrior can go bunker-like even without those amulets:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAscTnkO08YyDSBxEZAB9QDrit4UIJSPQjBMNA-TgAAzCpIySllLLTWyssZB

Here’s an example, not even the best (according to what OP stated, I wanted to show why it could be).

Let’s be clear: such a build wouldn’t work well as a bunker in tourney, but in 1v1 might be pretty much unkillable.

Yer you would deserve to be shouted at using that hideous build.

Coulter.2315:

Yer you would deserve to be shouted at using that hideous build.

I’m not sure he used that build. But from what he said I cannot exclude it.

I just want to explain why they might have trashtalked him, for he is new and still can’t tell good from evil, as we didn’t when we started.XD

Ok, reading again it might be this, excluding soldier’s amulet:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAneTnkO08YyDSBxERAB9QDritI9ANGw0A-TgAA0CvIySllLLTWyssZB

Just to get the idea, traits are quite random.

Cyricus.2981:

This is the reason I hardly ever duel. I hate listening to trash talkers or people that make excuses/whine. Or people that just use cookie cutter specs. If you are gonna duel, you should be trying out your own builds. But, to each their own I guess.

if cookie cutter specs win, would you rather die and lose with…?

Dignity doesn’t win stuff dude, and this isn’t just in this game.

Stop hating on people for using the optimal build at the moment, why use something sub optimal…for pride? Are you kidding me?

Pride doesn’t win duels, specs do.

ppl just want you to play Hambow so they can QQ in a legit way.

Ugruk.4069:

Lemme guess the skilled 11k eviscerate to the face sponsored by intelligence sigil?

Dat eviscerate is so hard to evade, like it has absolutely no tells. Especially if you have such knowledge about builds there’s no way you could see the weaponswap, energy sigil icon popping up or the leap animation. :P

DanyK.3842:

Ugruk.4069:

Lemme guess the skilled 11k eviscerate to the face sponsored by intelligence sigil?

Dat eviscerate is so hard to evade, like it has absolutely no tells. Especially if you have such knowledge about builds there’s no way you could see the weaponswap, energy sigil icon popping up or the leap animation. :P

So by that logic nothing is overpowered, 11k to the face while you used your dodges to avoid something else is perfectly fine… Ohh you played so nice to bad I got 11k in store just for you.

Inb4 learn to always dodge the evicerate, its bound to happen in the fight, its not like the warrior has 0 survivability and dies if he misses his burst like the scrub eles that just need to learn to play. No endurance and a weapon swap ready free 11k….

:PPPPPPPDDDD :XXXXXXX

This is a team game, it’s not even balanced around teamfights how can you possibly think it is around 1v1? Duels are nothing more than ego boost for bads running worthless 1v1 specs (Like pu mesmer, dps guard and so on..) that are going nowhere into a competitive match…in tpvp noone is specced for 1v1, not even close point defenders cause you’re more likely going to face a bunker decap engi so you must build around stability and point presence not around killing him 1v1 because you will never kill a decent decap engi in a resonable amount of time no matter what you’re running….going tpvp i sometimes end up in teams with ppl running duel kitten (Most pu mesmers and as mesmer main myself i can only feel bad for them) doing nothing while losing every single point, since basic rule to fight with a pu mesmer is to ignore him…you can decap pu mesmers just standing on point doing nothing while he stealths around losing cap…don’t touch him, don’t touch clones just keep dodging their autoattacks and you’re going to end up with capped point and dat mesmer still waiting for you to 1v1 him…rofl…hj and wvw dat way —->

Divinity.8041:

Cyricus.2981:

This is the reason I hardly ever duel. I hate listening to trash talkers or people that make excuses/whine. Or people that just use cookie cutter specs. If you are gonna duel, you should be trying out your own builds. But, to each their own I guess.

if cookie cutter specs win, would you rather die and lose with…?

Dignity doesn’t win stuff dude, and this isn’t just in this game.

Stop hating on people for using the optimal build at the moment, why use something sub optimal…for pride? Are you kidding me?

Pride doesn’t win duels, specs do.

No, but cookie cutter 1v1 specs make the game boring.

Then, you know how to win? By playing those builds? No. BY DOING SOMETHING ELSE.XD

And just say “go ahead” ain’t that smart right now, considering how many people already left.

Archaon.6245:

Duels are nothing more than ego boost for bads running worthless 1v1 specs (Like pu mesmer, dps guard and so on..) that are going nowhere into a competitive match…

Hey! DPS guard is not that bad in tourneys. You can still do well in teamfights.

I just wanted to say 1v1 in this game is incredibly balanced. (Except for struggling eles and maybe guardians, but I’ve seen great ones of them too) That said, while it’s very balanced in 1v1 that REQUIRES people 1v1ing with 1v1-centric builds. Getting a bit sick of people using their team fighting builds, losing to entirely 1v1-centered builds and kittening something is OP. A little tip, most of these 1v1 builds can’t do what you can in a team environment. Hence they’re build to 1v1, while tpvp builds are meant to play with a team. It’s not a difficult concept.

Examples of (imo very balanced and strong) 1v1 builds:
PU Mesmer
Phant Mesmer
MM Necro
Certain Condi Necros work fine, lack a bit of sustain though.
Spirit Rangers do fine
I’ve seen some 1v1 power based builds do fine in 1v1 too.
2-3 Kit engies based around conditions do fine (some are very potent, but I couldn’t give specific specs, I’ve only seen it happen, I don’t play engi personally)
D/P + SB thief
P/D + D/P thief (Powers’ build)
Meditaions Guardian (To a lesser extent)
0/5/30/30/5 Altrusitc shouts dps does well 1v1.
Banner healing Warriors (Power and condi)
Shout healing Condition warriors
Hambow (Probably to a lesser extent than the above 2)
LB+GS warriors.

The only thing that struggles 1v1 against other primary 1v1 builds seems to be Ele. What it essentially comes down to, if you want to do something, build for it. Don’t kitten at people who win 1v1 fights with 1v1 fights when you’re not optimizing for it, while they are.

ronpierce.2760:

Examples of (imo very balanced and strong) 1v1 builds:
PU Mesmer
Phant Mesmer
MM Necro
…

cmon, how is phanta mes balanced 1v1? this is one 1v1 god out there. may be thiefe stands a chance against him, but even that may be outplayed by scepter #2 on such short cd.

ronpierce.2760:

I just wanted to say 1v1 in this game is incredibly balanced. (Except for struggling eles and maybe guardians, but I’ve seen great ones of them too) That said, while it’s very balanced in 1v1 that REQUIRES people 1v1ing with 1v1-centric builds. Getting a bit sick of people using their team fighting builds, losing to entirely 1v1-centered builds and kittening something is OP. A little tip, most of these 1v1 builds can’t do what you can in a team environment. Hence they’re build to 1v1, while tpvp builds are meant to play with a team. It’s not a difficult concept.

Examples of (imo very balanced and strong) 1v1 builds:
PU Mesmer
Phant Mesmer
MM Necro
Certain Condi Necros work fine, lack a bit of sustain though.
Spirit Rangers do fine
I’ve seen some 1v1 power based builds do fine in 1v1 too.
2-3 Kit engies based around conditions do fine (some are very potent, but I couldn’t give specific specs, I’ve only seen it happen, I don’t play engi personally)
D/P + SB thief
P/D + D/P thief (Powers’ build)
Meditaions Guardian (To a lesser extent)
0/5/30/30/5 Altrusitc shouts dps does well 1v1.
Banner healing Warriors (Power and condi)
Shout healing Condition warriors
Hambow (Probably to a lesser extent than the above 2)
LB+GS warriors.

The only thing that struggles 1v1 against other primary 1v1 builds seems to be Ele. What it essentially comes down to, if you want to do something, build for it. Don’t kitten at people who win 1v1 fights with 1v1 fights when you’re not optimizing for it, while they are.

Most of the warrior build you linked are cheesy and kinda boring, except LB+GS (I assume you are talking about the one with Frenzy+100b)

Hammer/Mace warrs used to work too.

lol do you really think that shouts are better than meditations when it comes to duels ?
shows how much you know of dueling specs

Lachanche.6859:

lol do you really think that shouts are better than meditations when it comes to duels ?
shows how much you know of dueling specs

Well, the most annoying part of it is the condition one, not the shout one. Probably banner would be better though.

Meditation are a bit more respectable.XD

Lachanche.6859:

lol do you really think that shouts are better than meditations when it comes to duels ?
shows how much you know of dueling specs

Actually I meant guardians in general have 1v1 builds but they’re good 1v1 “to a lesser extent”. I added the Shout build last minute because I forgot about Lil Homie’s build. Both are very good 1v1 but I feel not as good as the other 6 classes best 1v1 builds. And no… Phant mesmers are not the strongest 1v1. I’m pretty sure one could argue PU and maybe even Mm is worse.

Divinity.8041:

Cyricus.2981:

This is the reason I hardly ever duel. I hate listening to trash talkers or people that make excuses/whine. Or people that just use cookie cutter specs. If you are gonna duel, you should be trying out your own builds. But, to each their own I guess.

if cookie cutter specs win, would you rather die and lose with…?

Dignity doesn’t win stuff dude, and this isn’t just in this game.

Stop hating on people for using the optimal build at the moment, why use something sub optimal…for pride? Are you kidding me?

Pride doesn’t win duels, specs do.

What is the point of winning with something tried and true and that everyone uses? You already know it’s effective. You are proving nothing by winning with it. You already know how to play it, because a hundred others before you were also using it.

Performing well with something crafted on your own earns you more respect in my opinion in a duel type setting. It’s not that I really hate cookie cutter specs, it’s the fact that people claim to be good from something someone else invented. At least put your own twist on it is all I’m saying.

There is no need for innovation to be skilled. All you need to do is evolve.

A person beats you, you steal their build and play it better. Eventually all the crap dies away and you are left with evolutionary perfection. You never had to create a build, yet you suddenly are the strongest at your class, merely by theft.

The only personal twist you need is your timings, skill choice, and map awareness.

So you dont PVP much, but won pretty much every fight and you wonder why people complained about your build? You just said that you dont play PVP much so its not skill (at least not lots), so it must be the build/class you are using.

I also suspect you are telling some porkies, as who wants to grab the daily and decides to go to a dueling server?! hotjoin would bag you the needed things in maybe 2-3 matches (you can do it in 1 if you know what your doing).

Warriors are tanky by nature, so they will always have a advantage over another class in a straight up 1v1. Bunker up a little and pick up some condi removal and you can dish out nice damage whilst not taking a great deal.

As for the chat, just turn it off. Nothing grand is ever said in chat other than aggression or the odd “take mid and i will take home” which will never happen anyway so not much reason to have it.

DaliIndica.9041:

So you dont PVP much, but won pretty much every fight and you wonder why people complained about your build? You just said that you dont play PVP much so its not skill (at least not lots), so it must be the build/class you are using.

I also suspect you are telling some porkies, as who wants to grab the daily and decides to go to a dueling server?! hotjoin would bag you the needed things in maybe 2-3 matches (you can do it in 1 if you know what your doing).

Warriors are tanky by nature, so they will always have a advantage over another class in a straight up 1v1. Bunker up a little and pick up some condi removal and you can dish out nice damage whilst not taking a great deal.

As for the chat, just turn it off. Nothing grand is ever said in chat other than aggression or the odd “take mid and i will take home” which will never happen anyway so not much reason to have it.

maybe we pvp in WvW ?

There are less trash talk than in solo Q for sure ….

Sunt.6835:

maybe we pvp in WvW ?

Why would ppl flame in pve?

Sunt.6835:

maybe we pvp in WvW ?

Doors must be really tough then….

Ryan.9387:

There is no need for innovation to be skilled. All you need to do is evolve.

A person beats you, you steal their build and play it better. Eventually all the crap dies away and you are left with evolutionary perfection. You never had to create a build, yet you suddenly are the strongest at your class, merely by theft.

The only personal twist you need is your timings, skill choice, and map awareness.

Problem is:

if you never tried experimenting, will you understand WHY that build works? In tournament skill also means knowing when and where a certain build can achieve victory.

And all of this if you are not playing warrior. If I had to do what you said, I’d just go hambow myself and smash myself harder on the keyboard. Good thing I did it my way and learnt how to show those hammer lickers who is a real warrior.XD

Unless you are talking about 1v1, which is a shallow kitten fest most of the time.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Sunt.6835:

maybe we pvp in WvW ?

Why would ppl flame in pve?

Go look at the Twisted Marionette event and take a look at map chat lol…
Pve’ers flame so much more than pvp’ers

PvEsportz.

Ryan.9387:

There is no need for innovation to be skilled. All you need to do is evolve.

A person beats you, you steal their build and play it better. Eventually all the crap dies away and you are left with evolutionary perfection. You never had to create a build, yet you suddenly are the strongest at your class, merely by theft.

The only personal twist you need is your timings, skill choice, and map awareness.

Yes, but to evolve at all, you need those people who experiment with certain things. Toying and understanding mechanics and how things work on your profession, naturally makes you more skilled from learning and trial and error.

And sure, if everyone played the same spec, your argument could hold weight, but that’s not the case in a game like this full of multiple classes, specs, and choices. Timings, skill choice, and map awareness should happen regardless.

looks like op lost interest in the thread after posting about newbie pve downing 30+ pvp duelists.

Archaon.6245:

Sunt.6835:

maybe we pvp in WvW ?

Doors must be really tough then….

yep its tougher than most of ppl around here

gesho.9468:

looks like op lost interest in the thread after posting about newbie pve downing 30+ pvp duelists.

ya man, supposed duelists losing repeatedly to a supposed scrubby terrible build. fighting wurm grubs is a bigger challenge for sure.

wads.5730:

fighting wurm grubs is a bigger challenge for sure.

is this your opinion of pvp community skills in general? 30 matches is no small number.

i have no opinions of any kind pls forgiv

Chicago Jack.5647:

style.6173:

A decent mesmer should be able to beat any other class. They are the best 1v1 class.

Lol no they’re not. They’re not for the same reasons why thief isn’t.

There isn’t a question that mesmers are the best 1v1 class. Not sure why you haven’t noticed that yet.

style.6173:

Chicago Jack.5647:

style.6173:

A decent mesmer should be able to beat any other class. They are the best 1v1 class.

Lol no they’re not. They’re not for the same reasons why thief isn’t.

There isn’t a question that mesmers are the best 1v1 class. Not sure why you haven’t noticed that yet.

i beat every mesmer , including pu, condi, phantasm builds. rly easy

Terribads killing other terribads in “rambo mode” 1v1 in a team game while ppl discussing about worthless 1v1 specs…still wonder how this thread reached so many responses, but for sure you can get why 90% gw2 pvp population is beyond braindead and every single competitive side is already gone. All is vain

Archaon.6245:

Terribads killing other terribads in “rambo mode” 1v1 in a team game while ppl discussing about worthless 1v1 specs…still wonder how this thread reached so many responses, but for sure you can get why 90% gw2 pvp population is beyond braindead and every single competitive side is already gone. All is vain

The bots in dota are better team players than most of the gw2 spvp community.

Chicago Jack.5647:

Archaon.6245:

Terribads killing other terribads in “rambo mode” 1v1 in a team game while ppl discussing about worthless 1v1 specs…still wonder how this thread reached so many responses, but for sure you can get why 90% gw2 pvp population is beyond braindead and every single competitive side is already gone. All is vain

The bots in dota are better team players than most of the gw2 spvp community.

That’s for sure, it’s all about cheesemode spam atm…that’s why so many old players left already or just go tpvp pug, there’s no point on going premade, arranging teams and tactics since all you have to do is to get 5 ppl rolling fotm(months actually) randomly spamming around…the best spammer wins. No thanks, i’ll stick to my out-of-meta specs going pug for fun…way better than any kittened ladder hands down…and all of this cause someone decided pve heroes must have more chances in tpvp bringing skill level down to “dumbmode” …esports yay