Guild Wars 2

Mesmer really needs a hard nerf? I’m playing Chronoshatter and not successful 1v1 vs anything. Rangers in particular machine gun me down with a single button [Rapid Fire].

ANET your balance decisions are dead wrong. Further they appear to be intended to kill Mesmer as a class.

The matchmaking is even poorer than the usual standard… though I have had 30+ loss streaks.

B&S is looking better than ever. Sure it’s cheesy in some ways, but so far I’m not seeing outlandish imbalance or a heavily disfavored class.

lol

Keep laughing. ANET sold HoT Mesmer based on Alacrity and the ability to compete.

Then they destroyed alacrity,well of precog and ninja nerfed by destroying sigil of energy. (The nerf to sigil of energy reduces both dps and healing for Mesmer as well as defenses like blind. )

Cleary, Mesmer is not being allowed to compete. Hence, HoT is not what is claimed. My night continues….

-edit- that’s 7 straight losses, including 3 or so stomps. Matchmaking isn’t working.

Actually, shatter chrono are pretty much the only ones that I have real trouble surviving against as a druid. Even scrapper isnt that difficult.

Bunker chrono I cant even get below 50% solo.

Only thing worse than bunker chrono is ele staff bunker.

Sorry mate, but as a chrono you just dont have any chance of ever getting taken seriously when complaining about how you loose against anything.

Thieves and warriors atm, now they get to complain. Druids, Ele, Mesmer, Scrapper – nope.

My evening/morning continues. 10% win rate. 4 heavy stops in 10 games. Matchmaking is broken.

HoT Mesmer is not what it was claimed to be and is about to be out of the meta. Bad Game, ANET.

Truthfully, I don’t care about the neocon/objectivist trolls. The fact of the matter is that the matchmaking is alleged to be designed to create fair matches. If the matches were fair, the win records would reflect that.

I can’t conjure much respect for the “l2p” crowd. In my view, they fall into one of two categories; reactionaries who call “whining” on everything without any real thought or knowledge and those who play OP classes and want to stay that way.

In any case, matchmaking is not working. Mesmer didn’t need a huge nerf and I think ANET knew it. I resolve to start writing reviews.. and contacting the esports sponsors to ask why anet keeps making such bizzare balance decisions.

I’m playing chronoshatter. Yes, I do feel I have the right to complain. That’s one of the purposes of this forum. I don’t expect ANET to listen, but that’s another story.

There’s a handful of ChronoShatter Mesmers that I’ve seen at legend level, and they certainly work hard at the art, relying heavily on their reflexes. You are using a build that is extremely bad at low skill levels, when everybody else is using builds that start out significantly stronger at a beginner level.

Because you’re trapped in your self inflicted hell, it may seem like you’re being tormented by faulty matchmaking, or spiteful anti-Mesmer balance, but it’s actually 100% explained by your in-game choices and ability.

ArenaNet does balance and cater to beginner players that are clever enough to figure out some of the HoT builds that are very effective using simple strategies. You can actually go quite far in leagues, even in special cases where matchmaking cannot locate a player in the game who you are capable of outplaying.

Ithilwen, go now, armed with this information – visit metabattle.com – play a build that the vast majority of your Emerald opponents will have no idea how to dispatch, such as Bunker Chronomancer, Celestial Druid, or Celestial Tempest.

Its 2016, you are playing mesmer and complaining about Rapid Fire? Are you in Coal league?

Read Chaith post.

Uhm.. ANET will make Bunker Chronomancer and Chronomancer generally close to unusable in 2 days. With that in mind, I’ve been working on improving in a build that “might” be allowed to still be playable.

That goes for the Cele builds as well. I find the snarky advice a little silly in light of reality.

And most people here on forums find your moaning a little silly. Rapid Fire too OP confirmed.

A Mesmer getting downed by rapid fire… wut..

Should I make a QQ post for not winning games with a DH+Spirit Weapon Guardian build and complain that all DH’s are subpar? You’re obviously needing to L2P and stop using subpar builds in Rank PvP.

Bunker chrono is better than dmg shatter, so use it

Mesmer will be balanced, finally! And if in a future a thief or warrior kills you, it’s your bad play, not that they got powered up!
The game needed balance, Mesmer was to powerful support class! Druid still remains a mistery, I think it will be the hardest profession now to counter!

Mesmer is being balanced, other classes can compete against it, it will not give god mode support anymore, it will be at the level of other professions…
You taught that u are so good with mesmer, get legendary, and brag about it… and it was never balanced, when you can tank for long time against 1vs2 you think it is balanced and you are good?!
Ithilwen.1529 : I’ve explained, give me the 100 gold!

@LordOtto I got my PvP 80 on Mesmer quite a while back when it was generally acknowledged that Mesmer was trash tier. That was done almost exclusively in ranked solo queue. I came into the class shortly after the huge confusion nerf and endured 3 years of not even being able to engage a warrior. I’m in no way a bandwagon Chronobunker.

No Mesmer is not being balanced. It’s being nerfed into the pavement. ANET has consistently left Mesmer UP for months and even years.

As to “man up” that is the very last thing I want to do.

I would be overjoyed to play a Mesmer that was on equal power terms with the rest of the classes. The issues is that other classes don’t want to learn how to deal with a Mesmer. Instead they QQ every time they lose to one.

I’ll laugh long and loud if PU condi Mesmer returns.. It’s crumby, but given the choices that are being left to Mesmer it may become a popular choice. Then the QQ will reach fever pitch.

Ithilwen.1529:

@Chaith

Please tell me (from your pro player perspective) how I should use Chronobunker when it will not longer be permitted in the game after the next patch? 100 Gold if you can explain that to me?

It’s being gutted, and I’m pretty sure you know that. So, why advise nonsense?

That’s just my point people. Because ANET is more or less destroying Chronobunker and Chronomancer generally

( 50% alacrity nerf, sigil of energy nerf for less clone production and heal and making well of precognition worthless. That’s in addition to heavily nerfing the shield )

Just about the only build that will be left to Mesmer after the 26th will be Chronoshatter.

Yes I agree it’s a sub par build. It’s the only one ANET is leaving available after the incoming “balance” patch

How to use ChronoBunker post patch? Well I’m glad you asked. From s few days, and multiple QQ posts ago:

Here’s whatdo,

When the patch hits, pick up a new rune such as Rune of the Scrapper, Melandru, or Dwayna, or Grove.

Pick up the new Paladin Amulet,

Run Chronophantasma (resummon Phantasms when shattered) over Seize the Moment (quickness on shatter). Play around with various utilities & Inspiration Grandmaster trait combinations to find what you like.

You won’t be able to revive against multiple enemies alone, but the build will absolutely be strong and alive in the Emerald division which you are in, guaranteed, if it’s what you like doing (to each their own).

I’m sure Bunker Mesmer will no longer be the most needed, and strongest PvP build in the game anymore, but many PvP teams will still be testing its viability.

So please do the GW2 forums a solid and wait until you play the updated build before creating anymore threads on the topic.

I don’t agree. ) nerf on Alacrity means that all my cooldowns will be excessively long and my shatter/heal rate seriously curtailed.

To compound that Sigil of Energy has been wrecked. Again that lowers my clone production and ability to shatter and heal.

Well of Precognition was the cornerstone of Chronobunker. It has been made more or less worthless. Aegis won’t survive 1/2 second.

Blind, a primary defense (via shatter and Chaos Armor ) is being removed from Chaos Armor.

Your theory sounds good on the forum but it’s not going to work in real games. That’s the more true considering the thief buffs.

This is a considered assassination of Mesmer and Chronobunker is not going to work without; it’s primary defense, a means of shortening cooldowns, much of it’s clone production, much of it’s heal ability and the majority of it’s DPS.

What you’re saying won’t work in a real game, try again.

Chaith.8256:

There’s a handful of ChronoShatter Mesmers that I’ve seen at legend level, and they certainly work hard at the art, relying heavily on their reflexes. You are using a build that is extremely bad at low skill levels, when everybody else is using builds that start out significantly stronger at a beginner level.

Because you’re trapped in your self inflicted hell, it may seem like you’re being tormented by faulty matchmaking, or spiteful anti-Mesmer balance, but it’s actually 100% explained by your in-game choices and ability.

ArenaNet does balance and cater to beginner players that are clever enough to figure out some of the HoT builds that are very effective using simple strategies. You can actually go quite far in leagues, even in special cases where matchmaking cannot locate a player in the game who you are capable of outplaying.

Ithilwen, go now, armed with this information – visit metabattle.com – play a build that the vast majority of your Emerald opponents will have no idea how to dispatch, such as Bunker Chronomancer, Celestial Druid, or Celestial Tempest.

What’s considered beginner friendly? Stuff with lots of passives? I can kinda grasp the concept of great for beginners and balancing for skill in other genres but gets murkier with MMOs. I thought the dragon hunter was the best decision and a sign Anet was balancing for skill: easy to execute skills, some passive defense through base guardian traits, but against skill opposition isn’t that great. Apparently it wasn’t intended though since they’re gutting DH traps.

Thief seems to be the opposite: squishy, but if you time your attacks, dodges, and interrupts right is highly rewarding while keeping backstab cheese only viable in PvE and lower skilled matches. Acrobatics has a trait where evasion grants vigor and syncs kinda well with daredevil despite some traits in acro being redundant (increased movement speed in stealth is a godsend to ensure you stay on target but with acrobatics changes advertised they might gut the trait :( ) Balancing for skill enables (or should at least) highly skilled players to overcome bronzestomper “cheese”. Traits should steer in the balance for skill direction (well sort of) with making passives decent but proc on evade/interrupts more competitive.

It’s not about loosing against mesmer 1vs1, it’s about holding the camp 1vs1, I can beat mesmer with Condi reaper, DH, but if you need to deecap/cap, you can’t, you need to stand in that little circle, and u die there against mesmer..that’s the main issue here… in that little circle mesmer can tank 2 enemy player to…. look at mesmers in stronghold, almost nobody plays them in stronghold, only pre-teams, and good players.
Mesmer has god support to team mates, that’s not balanced….

• You don’t have clone production on dodge. That’s in a trait line BunkerChrono doesn’t need. Energy is still an option after its changed to vigor, but try simply taking any other appropriate sigil – with Paladin Amulet you have crit chance, so blood & leeching I would lean towards.

• Bunker Mesmer without Precognition is still the best build in the game. Every team needs two in order to be competitive, Mesmers have been bringing other Utilities for a while now.

• Weakness from Chaos armor instead of blind, extremely useful still, passively weakening anytime people try to combo. Better than most Auras.

• My teammate Phantaram has already experimented with his best simulation of a post patch Bunker Mes, he did quite enjoy it, even while making substitutions.

• You have no idea what a “real game” is, as you’ve made it quite apparent that you have only solo queued and hit the wall around Emerald division matchmaking level. For you to dismiss builds that will be tested for the pro league, as if you’re facing enemies who can even spot the real Mesmer, frankly, it’s laughable.

@Chaith

First, I think you’re dead wrong. I predict that few if any Mesmers will be played in pro and fewer in normal (which is actually the scenario that matters.) You citing the alleged opinion of your buddy well /shrug.

As to Chronobunker without Well of Precog being “the best build in the game,” I’m laughing aloud.

Your teammate isn’t playing with alacrity 50% nerfed. Nor is he dealing with long cooldowns and reduced clone production from all skills. ( and the concomittant losses in both dps and healing ability )

Your “simulation” reminds me of the simulations that Donald Rumsfeld used to convince the leadership that the US would be welcomed as liberators and the second gulf war would end within days.

I sincerely hope you try it. Be prepared to get booted right off the map.

Fewer mesmers in ranked? Good. Seeing atleast 3 of em every match gets old kinda quick.
How can you possibly defend the current chronobunker is beyond me. As i said earlier the patch has not even gone live. Wait til tuesday. Try different setups. And if you are still getting rekt by rapid fire, come cry more on forums.

Ithilwen.1529:

As to Chronobunker without Well of Precog being “the best build in the game,” I’m laughing aloud.

Nobody else is laughing.. A fun and competitive game of GW2 is 40% BunkerChrono.

I’m not defending ChronoBunker. I’m defending Mesmer generally. I got good and sick of being underpowered while I waited literally years for anet (lower case deliberate) to fix Mesmer after the confusion nerf.

Now it looks very much like that cycle is repeating and it really kittens me off. anet has NEVER done frequent or regular balance patches. There seems to be no reason to believe they will start now or fix this nuke nerf in the forseeable future.

anet listens to volume. Reason appears to be a secondary consideration. The gameplay after the patch will vindicate what I’m saying.

Ithilwen.1529:

anet listens to volume. Reason appears to be a secondary consideration. The gameplay after the patch will vindicate what I’m saying.

Don´t be so gloomy. See how the patch plays out first. The negative attitude is not going to get you anywhere.

Mentioning that competitive GW2 is 40% Bunker Mesmer doesn’t imply that I want Bunker Mesmer to be deleted, and therefore you can write off every other argument as well. That’d be too convenient for you. Don’t put words in my mouth

I’d prefer Bunker Mesmer to be a balanced optional nodeholder that has balanced pros and cons when considered for a spot alongside things like: Tempest, Druid, and the non-existent Warrior & Guardian nodeholder build.

We’re experiencing a misunderstanding here because you require Shatter Mesmer to be blatently overpowered before you can use it to an average performance in your bracket.

You missed last meta’s Mantra Shatter, and then PU Shatter. Every team wanted one, but few could multi-class it with enough proficiency. That’s what balance is. Really a shame you missed out on the brief overpowered status of Mantra Mes too

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m not defending ChronoBunker. I’m defending Mesmer generally. I got good and sick of being underpowered while I waited literally years for anet (lower case deliberate) to fix Mesmer after the confusion nerf.

Now it looks very much like that cycle is repeating and it really kittens me off. anet has NEVER done frequent or regular balance patches. There seems to be no reason to believe they will start now or fix this nuke nerf in the foreseeable future.

1. Anet is a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized regardless.

2.With all due respect it’s okay to have an opinion but Chaith is a top player. Part of that is a deep understanding of the classes but builds are only part of the battle, they are especially renowned for their sense of when and where to disengage and rotate.

3.The meta should be shaken up every now and then and mesmer was way overpowered this season. Mesmer will likely still be in a good spot season 2 since only it has portals, alacrity, cool down resets, and polymorph moa, but will require more skill to be useful.

4.Patches are rarely ever the end of the world, if you’re good you can experiment with different builds, comp sync, and change and adapt things accordingly.

Ithilwen.1529:

My evening/morning continues. 10% win rate. 4 heavy stops in 10 games. Matchmaking is broken.

HoT Mesmer is not what it was claimed to be and is about to be out of the meta. Bad Game, ANET.

Truthfully, I don’t care about the neocon/objectivist trolls. The fact of the matter is that the matchmaking is alleged to be designed to create fair matches. If the matches were fair, the win records would reflect that.

I can’t conjure much respect for the “l2p” crowd. In my view, they fall into one of two categories; reactionaries who call “whining” on everything without any real thought or knowledge and those who play OP classes and want to stay that way.

In any case, matchmaking is not working. Mesmer didn’t need a huge nerf and I think ANET knew it. I resolve to start writing reviews.. and contacting the esports sponsors to ask why anet keeps making such bizzare balance decisions.

Ok, so the reason you lost 90% of your games is because mesmer is underpowered and therefore shouldn’t get nerfed?
So the other 9 players classes and skill level had nothing to do with these losses? Sure matchmaking is and has been problematic.
You are biased, plain and simple, even in a thread about matchmaking you whine about mesmer receiving nerfs that are not the cause of your current problems.
Nothing will convince you otherwise, not even Chaith trying to help, so trying to have a sensible discussion will not be possible.

@Chaith You have made it very clear you want mesmers out of the game.

Both “sunfish” and “rom” gloated about the gutting in the last On Point. I assume you are of the same ilk.

There will be no more bunker mesmer. ANET has lengthened the cooldowns, destroyed the defense and much reduced both heal and dps.

Actually I avoided the mantra and pu builds because of the QQ. I wanted to be seen as playing honorably.

The same of chronobunker. Though now… I think I’ll bandwagon whatever trolly build I can find. Maybe PU condi is due for a comeback.

As to requiring Shatter to be overpowered to use it… well I put that down to a total lack of experience playing mesmer and a strong anti mesmer bias.

I seem to remember you advocating for the turret build (last year) and then for using low level toons to tank your mmr to exploit the tournament system.

Go ahead, claim that the turret build you advocated for wasn’t OP, I defy you to do it.

You ought to understand advocating for a class.

Ithilwen.1529:

@Chaith You have made it very clear you want mesmers out of the game.

Both “sunfish” and “rom” gloated about the gutting in the last On Point. I assume you are of the same ilk.

There will be no more bunker mesmer. ANET has lengthened the cooldowns, destroyed the defense and much reduced both heal and dps.

Actually I avoided the mantra and pu builds because of the QQ. I wanted to be seen as playing honorably.

The same of chronobunker. Though now… I think I’ll bandwagon whatever trolly build I can find. Maybe PU condi is due for a comeback.

As to requiring Shatter to be overpowered to use it… well I put that down to a total lack of experience playing mesmer and a strong anti mesmer bias.

I seem to remember you advocating for the turret build (last year) and then for using low level toons to tank your mmr to exploit the tournament system.

Go ahead, claim that the turret build you advocated for wasn’t OP, I defy you to do it.

You ought to understand advocating for a class.

Want Mesmers out of the game, no. We just went over this one post ago:

I’d prefer Bunker Mesmer to be a balanced optional nodeholder that has balanced pros and cons when considered for a spot alongside things like: Tempest, Druid, and the non-existent Warrior & Guardian nodeholder build.

Balance. Yes I do think Chrono should still be a good option. I expect the future for Mesmer will be bruiser Chrono well builds, and they are still looking better than Eles and Druids who just lost Cele, even after the Alacrity nerf. If there’s a good meta build that surfaces, then Mesmer balance will be in an acceptable spot. You should look into it, after the patch drops with new Amulets.

People who only play fun casual builds live with being an underdog. So don’t blame ArenaNet’s balancing or matchmaking for your broken win rate instead of using the tools you have available.

It’s not wise to speak about someone’s poor Mesmer experience to discredit them. You should approach this issue as a learner, rather than as an elitist, cause your ArenaNet blame posts suggest that you’d like the Emerald division 30 loss streaks to discontinue. It’s just saddening that instead of accepting advice or improving, you want ArenaNet to wave the magic wand for you.

And yeah, I have no idea what you’re talking about me advocating Turret builds.. I have never made an argument on how tank builds that runs in circles while A.I auto attacks should be competitive.

Good luck finding your post-patch Mesmer build.