Guild Wars 2

Playing on my necro earlier and I noticed a few mesmers i played against spamming invis. I mean spamming it more then thieves usually do.

Since when can mesmers do this O_O?

Since never. My guess? it was probably wearing torch, had the runes that stealth you at 10%, decoy, Mass invisibility elite, and that trait that give 1 extra second of stealth, but even if you try to, you simply cant have more stealth than a thief, because thieves can literally have perma stealth but mesmer have really long downtime for theirs.

So it was all perceived, even if you really want, you just cant spam stealth. Hope that helps

Probably a Prismatic Understanding (PU) build, with 20/20/30. It’s what the average roaming Mesmer runs nowadays. Typically Sc/T+Sw/P; with Prestige (4s; 30s), Decoy (4s; 40), Veil (6, 90) and Mass Invisibility (6, 90). Not perma-stealth, but it can be chained for some time. Particularly annoying with its dependence on phantasms.
A small weakness is its lack of mobility. The Mesmer cannot chase, and moving also disrupts the phantasm attacks.
My personal recommendation is not to bother. They cannot die unless they make horrible mistakes, many times, and after a long time.

Mesmers can’t spam invis. Most mesmers have decoy (3s invis on a 40s cooldown) and maybe mass invis (5s invis on a 90s cooldown) but as this is an elite, it depends on the group comp.

If they are running torch they have an extra 3s invis on a 24/30s cooldown, also a grandmaster trait in the defense line makes stealth last one second longer. Condi builds will likely spec into this as it works well well with the playstyle.

It’s really not a case of spamming invis, the mesmer may have used these skills consecutively to try to recover cooldowns or to escape. It just looks that way due to the clones being out – if a thief stealth’s they comes out, it’s obvious where they are (unless they have thieves guild up). But with mesmers you still have to work out which is the real mesmer, and a good mesmer will know how to keep you guessing. For what it’s worth, chaining stealth to confuse your enemy is one of the few ways we have to deal with a good condi necro with our lack of removal.

A side note, there was a bug a while back to allow mesmers to sort of perma stealth with torch but that was fixed quickly.

When you encounter a PU mesmer, just kite. You can reliably outrun winds of chaos since it’s a stupidly slow projectile. Keep the clones chasing after you and they will cast at you much less often.

PU is most efefctive against builds that need to stay close since the mesmer does most of his damage when he has you surrounded by clones stacking condis on you.

Otherwise grab your engineer or necro and murder them. All mesmer specs are pathetically weak to strong condi pressure, especially aoe condi spam builds like engi and necro.

Necro is easily the hardcounter to any mesmer.

Oh noes, poewpoew found another “op” class to troll at.

Lolololololol desperate decoy + Decoy + torch + mass invis = troll build.

They can’t cap, and are easily forced to run away. Just don’t chase let them run and take the point.

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

say hello to PU mesmer, just ignore them as they have little moblity and you need usually 2+ ppl to kill 1 good PU mesmer

you are not gonna kill him solo if he doesn’t want to die

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

Oh GF memsers don’t run PU in WvW? No wonder they just fall over dead.

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

PU mesmer is utter kitten in tpvp…just remember in conquest mode everytime you stealth you’re loosing

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

oh btw they are buffing PU mesmers…. el oh el

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

Sifu.6527:

Oh GF memsers don’t run PU in WvW? No wonder they just fall over dead.

PU mesmer’s don’t bring much group support. If you really think a PU mesmer is great for organized group roaming in WvW then more power to you. We will slot in another class before we run a PU mesmer. It is a self sustain build. Why we hardly ever run thieves when we are roaming seriously in voice comms.

All solo roaming builds does not make great group comp.

Hype.8032:

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

The difference is that against the other classes you mention, those can chase.

And in case of stealth spam thieves, kill anyone who isn’t a bunker spec. Especially in WvW where you can run -condi duration food and keep 16k hp while having 70% crit damage bonus.

PU mesmer is a duel spec…and duel specs are useless except for goin rambo style in 1vs1 arenas and get a temp ego boost thinking to be so pro and stuff…outside that is going nowhere in conquest mode, noone needs an immortal troll spamming random conditions and going invisible…cause he’s going to kill nothing (And if you need conditions there are way better classes for that) like a bunker but can’t hold points or support too…in other words…worthless, already met someone running that in tpvp, you can just ignore him…he’s gonna die at the end after all his mates got wiped off cause they’re basically missing one in teamfight…

Imo PU mesmers are rather WvW specs, where equiped with perplexity runes can wear down any other class in 1v1. In tpvp they aren’t a big threat, cause they can’t conquest points in stealth. However they usually wreak havock in hot-join, where hardly anyone cares about capping nodes. Always funny to confuse the kitten out of hambow war, make him cry or rage quit^^

It’s just another easy mode 1v1 spec… The number of these things just keeps growing.

How to deal with it.

TPvP- force it off point or kite your way around while keeping it contested.
OR put enough pressure so they have to run away. (Stuns and snares help in this situation)

Hotjoin Heroes/Trolls- this dosent matter but if you feel the need to knock someone down a peg:

Don’t engage. wait for opportunities like low HP, elite popped, C/D heavy ect. And take him out.

When he rages (and he will) and demands to 1v1 him tell him you don’t duel no skill 1v1 specs. Then block him.

Daishi.6027:

When he rages (and he will) and demands to 1v1 him tell him you don’t duel no skill 1v1 specs. Then block him.

Because everyone that playes PU will clearly act this way. They will all demand 1v1 and rage! ….. I somehow don’t think so.

Besides: If we are picking on easy mode 1v1 specs: There are plenty to choose from that category. There are also some that don’t, put themselves in a disadvantage, when it comes to contesting points, unlike the stealth heavy PU mesmer.

Rob.1039:

Imo PU mesmers are rather WvW specs, where equiped with perplexity runes can wear down any other class in 1v1. In tpvp they aren’t a big threat, cause they can’t conquest points in stealth. However they usually wreak havock in hot-join, where hardly anyone cares about capping nodes. Always funny to confuse the kitten out of hambow war, make him cry or rage quit^^

PU mesmers don’t use perplexity runes.

You have diversion and magic bullet as your only real interrupts, and those are at 20 and 45 sec cd’s respectively.

The big time abusers of perplexity in WvW are engineers, warriors, and thieves — the only classes with considerable CC.

Zenith.7301:

PU mesmers don’t use perplexity runes.

Perplexity runes are used in at least 2 of the popular WvW PU builds:
Natsu Dragneel’s The Blackwater Mesmer and the similar build from Osicat called The Non shatter Condition Cat.

And they’re inferior runesets for obvious reasons.

Again, 2 long cd sources of interrupts. That’s it. It’s a complete waste.

Hype.8032:

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

No, PU is different! Because uh, we use it solely for defense unlike the stealth spamming thieves! Psh, you know I have to stay in stealth for the full duration to get my aegis, 8-10 secs of protection, and regen.

Well…I could summon a phant and it doesn’t break stealth but so what! You think its fun running around a circle while your Iduelist and Izerker do the job for you?

You just don’t understand how hard it is sitting down while your AI does the work for you.

Also, you know how hard it is to cast a Phast behind you? It’s hard work. And if you block or dodge my phant , it goes on full CD! My phant has to wait a full 6 secs to attack again leaving me at a huge disadvantage.

So please L2Play.

Zenith.7301:

And they’re inferior runesets for obvious reasons.

Again, 2 long cd sources of interrupts. That’s it. It’s a complete waste.

In your opinion they are yes. Claiming that no one uses them is however not true.

Since they are not available in spvp, the discussion about perplexity runes in this part of the forum is somewhat irrelevant though. In spvp you are absolutely correct that no one uses them.

Sifu.6527:

Hype.8032:

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

No, PU is different! Because uh, we use it solely for defense unlike the stealth spamming thieves! Psh, you know I have to stay in stealth for the full duration to get my aegis, 8-10 secs of protection, and regen.

Well…I could summon a phant and it doesn’t break stealth but so what! You think its fun running around a circle while your Iduelist and Izerker do the job for you?

You just don’t understand how hard it is sitting down while your AI does the work for you.

Also, you know how hard it is to cast a Phast behind you? It’s hard work. And if you block or dodge my phant , it goes on full CD! My phant has to wait a full 6 secs to attack again leaving me at a huge disadvantage.

So please L2Play.

The best part is this guy saying PU use izerker phantasms.

Zenith.7301:

Sifu.6527:

Hype.8032:

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

No, PU is different! Because uh, we use it solely for defense unlike the stealth spamming thieves! Psh, you know I have to stay in stealth for the full duration to get my aegis, 8-10 secs of protection, and regen.

Well…I could summon a phant and it doesn’t break stealth but so what! You think its fun running around a circle while your Iduelist and Izerker do the job for you?

You just don’t understand how hard it is sitting down while your AI does the work for you.

Also, you know how hard it is to cast a Phast behind you? It’s hard work. And if you block or dodge my phant , it goes on full CD! My phant has to wait a full 6 secs to attack again leaving me at a huge disadvantage.

So please L2Play.

The best part is this guy saying PU use izerker phantasms.

When I fart out aegis, protection, and regen, it really doesn’t matter what weapon set I use. I even use scepter in my power PU build!

Sifu.6527:

Zenith.7301:

Sifu.6527:

Hype.8032:

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

oZii.2864:

Zenith.7301:

Phent.9350:

PU build is good only for WvW roaming, in pvp it is troll build nothing more

Not even for roaming. Roaming classes need to be able to kill quickly before someone else interferes or the zerg arrives. PU mesmers kill slowly.

The spec is just a bunker survival spec. It’s hard for you to die, but you also won’t be killing much if the opponent wants to retreat.

PU mesmer can’t chase at all.

Dueling build fits better I think. We probably all seen it in WvW you know the lone mesmer sitting around ruins like he is afk waiting for people to engage him.

I just ignore them and chuckles when they are chasing you spamming winds of chaos like it’s gonna hit anybody moving.

I hate you Sin.

Hype.8032:

Funny how chaining 5+ stealth abilities in quick succession isn’t considered spamming stealth

Utility:
Decoy (40s CD)
Viel (90s CD)
Mass Invis (elite) (90s CD)

Weapon
Torch 4 (30/24s CD)

At most Mesmers have 4 stealth skills, which using all 4 means you blew your elite, two utility skill and have to have a torch equipped – which means the phantasm you take is pathetically weak. Also those utility skills won’t be back up for a long time. As this isn’t likely in phantasm builds, I can’t see people doing this unless they need to escape (which other classes can do without having to blow so much, hi GS warriors) or if they have 3 staff clones up and are trolling, which is easy to deal with.

The only addition is a trait which makes you stealth on 25% health, but taking that means your giving up something actually useful, also it suffers from the same problem as thieves Last Refuge (ie you can’t control it and can accidentally proc revealed).

Right, and with all those abilities to stealth you’re essentially making a phantasm, dodging once or twice, stealthing, and repeating. It is spamming stealth.. the whole point is to stay visible as little as possible. I’m not passing judgement on it being OP or UP but it’s a incredibly lame way to play. No worse than MM necros , stealth spam thieves, and spirit rangers but is it really much of a consolation to say you’re no worse than that garbage?

No, PU is different! Because uh, we use it solely for defense unlike the stealth spamming thieves! Psh, you know I have to stay in stealth for the full duration to get my aegis, 8-10 secs of protection, and regen.

Well…I could summon a phant and it doesn’t break stealth but so what! You think its fun running around a circle while your Iduelist and Izerker do the job for you?

You just don’t understand how hard it is sitting down while your AI does the work for you.

Also, you know how hard it is to cast a Phast behind you? It’s hard work. And if you block or dodge my phant , it goes on full CD! My phant has to wait a full 6 secs to attack again leaving me at a huge disadvantage.

So please L2Play.

The best part is this guy saying PU use izerker phantasms.

When I fart out aegis, protection, and regen, it really doesn’t matter what weapon set I use. I even use scepter in my power PU build!

Yeah, you’re killing any decent person on a power PU build, I’m sure lol