Guild Wars 2

i see so many at solo arena are the the new flavor of the month?

Necro is the easier to play but slightly less effective engineer. So, probably.

I made my necro 12 hours ago and set him up with a 4/0/6/4/0 MM build and am already 40% done with champ phantom title. I’ve never made a necro before. Take from that what you will

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

last match opposing team had 4 minion necros and a ranger…

MM is extremely easy to play because of how bad the target system is in this game.

OneManArmy.9732:

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

Yeh sure, cuz necro is very good in PvE ^o). Dont talk about things you don’t know.
Further more there are some easier classes to play in PvP such as warrior and thief (lame class) and much necro’s dont play MM at all.

HeadCrowned.6834:

OneManArmy.9732:

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

Yeh sure, cuz necro is very good in PvE ^o). Dont talk about things you don’t know.
Further more there are some easier classes to play in PvP such as warrior and thief (lame class) and much necro’s dont play MM at all.

Lol what’s bad in pve? Please tell me what class is bad in PVE…

MM necro IS easy to play just check the combat log, most damage is done by the Minions, maybe you dont know what you are talking about?

Carpboy.7145:

I made my necro 12 hours ago and set him up with a 4/0/6/4/0 MM build and am already 40% done with champ phantom title. I’ve never made a necro before. Take from that what you will

Really shows that champ titles are earned the correct way eh.

Hello frands! Vee Wee here #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

I encourage all Necromancers to run MM builds! Any time a real Necromancer looks at my poor Engi, I die instantly! But MM and Power Necromancers are easy peasy! If you play Necromancer, please go MM!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Of course the damage is caused by Minions…you have only few skill to deal smal damage and 0 skill to deal high damage. The minions are you damage skills.

Anyway, some days ago, after playing 400+ match with my THIEF, I started to play necro with a Condition/MM build. It’s incredible. In soloQ, this type of build runs very well because you only need to take a build to carry your team. Hambow, Decapper, MM, Spirit Ranger…all this builds are not very skilled-based, but in soloQ, where you have to try to carry an entire-team, are a MUST (with this terrible meta-game).

MM necro is very good, but it is very incredible if used also with brain. If you don’t care about your minions you are almost dead.

To kill easily an mm necro, destroy the minions with aoe, give him some knock down and he is already dead.

Anyone fighting a minion Necro, kill there flesh golem 1st, it has a long cooldown and once there Flesh golem is dead, usually the Necro follows. The other minions are easy to wipe out.

Forgetful Phil.6370:

Carpboy.7145:

I made my necro 12 hours ago and set him up with a 4/0/6/4/0 MM build and am already 40% done with champ phantom title. I’ve never made a necro before. Take from that what you will

So in 12 hours you won 60 matches? I’d be suprised you had the queue pop that many times in 12 hours or actually played for 12 hours. You must mean 40% of one of the stages

I tracked it and after 12 hours it said 40%

HeadCrowned.6834:

OneManArmy.9732:

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

Yeh sure, cuz necro is very good in PvE ^o). Dont talk about things you don’t know.
Further more there are some easier classes to play in PvP such as warrior and thief (lame class) and much necro’s dont play MM at all.

You should learn how to read. He said it’s an easy spec for PvErs that haven’t PvP yet because you are carried by the minions.

Thief is far from being the easiest class, except if you just spam heartseeker or pistolwhip mindlessly, which will have limited success. You’re the one who’s clueless, darling.

Ugruk.4069:

HeadCrowned.6834:

OneManArmy.9732:

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

Yeh sure, cuz necro is very good in PvE ^o). Dont talk about things you don’t know.
Further more there are some easier classes to play in PvP such as warrior and thief (lame class) and much necro’s dont play MM at all.

Lol what’s bad in pve? Please tell me what class is bad in PVE…

MM necro IS easy to play just check the combat log, most damage is done by the Minions, maybe you dont know what you are talking about?

Bad in PvE? For example when you do not get accepted in a dungeon party cuz you’re a necro. They are actually worse in PvE than the other classes also due to the max condi stacking etc. Further more I am not talking about MM necro’s, lots of necro’s do not play that build. MM necro’s are for certain classes easy to kill such as other necro’s, mesmers and ele’s. Their power IS their minions, so just destroy their minions first and they are doomed to die.

Carpboy.7145:

Forgetful Phil.6370:

Carpboy.7145:

I made my necro 12 hours ago and set him up with a 4/0/6/4/0 MM build and am already 40% done with champ phantom title. I’ve never made a necro before. Take from that what you will

So in 12 hours you won 60 matches? I’d be suprised you had the queue pop that many times in 12 hours or actually played for 12 hours. You must mean 40% of one of the stages

I tracked it and after 12 hours it said 40%

I only tracks the percent of the current tier you’re on, not the whole achievement IIRC.

Zach.3264:

MM is extremely easy to play because of how bad the target system is in this game.

Exactly. Troll professions which benefit from a lot of AI adds like mesmers and necros get a somewhat unfair advantage over classes which need to do a lot of manual targeting or simply lack AoE. But essentially it’s not their fault for having that advantage. GW2 targeting system needs some reworking and as a matter of fact I do have some proposals how to make it much better (though I currently lack the time to post it on these forums).

Zach.3264:

MM is extremely easy to play because of how bad the target system is in this game.

It’s not the targeting system that makes MMs formidable it’s their deathshroud. First you have to eat through all of that +their minions then you have to eat through their health. It’s absolutely painful to fight solo if you’re not a high DPS AoE profession.

HeadCrowned.6834:

Ugruk.4069:

HeadCrowned.6834:

OneManArmy.9732:

mm necro is one of the easiest build almost fully carried by minions AI. so why not? its rly good choice for newbies/pvers that never played pvp before.

Yeh sure, cuz necro is very good in PvE ^o). Dont talk about things you don’t know.
Further more there are some easier classes to play in PvP such as warrior and thief (lame class) and much necro’s dont play MM at all.

Lol what’s bad in pve? Please tell me what class is bad in PVE…

MM necro IS easy to play just check the combat log, most damage is done by the Minions, maybe you dont know what you are talking about?

Bad in PvE? For example when you do not get accepted in a dungeon party cuz you’re a necro. They are actually worse in PvE than the other classes also due to the max condi stacking etc. Further more I am not talking about MM necro’s, lots of necro’s do not play that build. MM necro’s are for certain classes easy to kill such as other necro’s, mesmers and ele’s. Their power IS their minions, so just destroy their minions first and they are doomed to die.

Unless they ask for a specific class/set I never seen that happen, it’s pve no one cares besides those tryhards (wich you wouldnt want to party anyway).

No one has time to kill all the minions + the necro and live, it’s a brain dead spec which shouldnt be even considered in spvp (really AI doing the work for you?) but since it gets the job done well enough, less capable people are bound to play it.

Moa ftw!

Sometimes I simply moa MM necros without bursting them.

I just enjoy to see them run as a giant chicken for some seconds and hope they cry because all their minions are dead.

Moa is good on necro because it destroys minions too.

holodoc.5748:

Moa is good on necro because it destroys minions too.

And there is a flood of Moa QQers because of the influx of MM necros… I love it!

MM is one of the easiest builds to just pick up and play, since most lower level players don’t really understand how to manage dealing with more than one thing hitting them, and you can more or less just roll your face over the keyboard and win 1v1s.

Highly suggest you only use it at the very beginning though, because what you learn won’t transfer well. The build falls off against decent players/strategy, unless the MM is really experienced, and it has a lot of tools that end up making you overly reliant on bad crutches. You don’t want all of your learning experience in PvP on a build where you’re rarely dodging, have no active defense, and basically rely on your enemy being dumb to succeed.

And there are very, very, very few MMs who actually transition well into any remotely high level of play. By few, I mean like less than 5.

I want to propose a QoL change:

when someone is hit by Locust Swarm, we should hear this sound effect – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU

I’m sure it would greatly improve everyone’s lives, be them necros or not.

(And no, I don’t care if they are not the same animals XD)

Its almost the perfect length.

Ugruk.4069:

Unless they ask for a specific class/set I never seen that happen, it’s pve no one cares besides those tryhards (wich you wouldnt want to party anyway).

No one has time to kill all the minions + the necro and live, it’s a brain dead spec which shouldnt be even considered in spvp (really AI doing the work for you?) but since it gets the job done well enough, less capable people are bound to play it.

Try a profession with some AoE attacks and you will see.

Certain classes just do have a disadvantage against other classes, such as a warrior to a MM necro. But necro has disadvantage to thief and engi again, and ranger to warrior for example.

Necros have been strong for the last year. There is nothing new here.

I’ve been playing against 4+ necro MM teams, it’s looking pretty meta.

other than decap engis losing some survival i dont think the meta has changed too much.

for example, a hambow/condi warrior can still roll his ugly face across the keyboard to make things die.

there have been alot of different builds over the past week but i think people are just testing, the meta seems to be settling back to the way its been for months.
and yep that includes mindless condi necros and MMs.

Anyone who says MM’s don’t work against top players haven’t faced one as a thief. Literally the only way to win is to extend the fight several minutes and one by one pick off the minions with shortbow. It’s so far in the MM’s favor it is ridiculous. I really thought that trash build was getting nerfed at patch time but they seem even more prevalent than before =/

That’s because your build is weak to MM, it happens. MM isn’t too strong, its not too weak, its just a good build for people who plan to camp a very small area of the map and 1v1/2v2 people. It is very counterable by any team comp with strategy.

Show me when MM was played (well) in a big tournament and I’ll agree MM is good against top tier players. I’ll save you the time though, MM has never had success (assuming its even been used) in a 5v5 team tournament.

Zach.3264:

MM is extremely easy to play because of how bad the target system is in this game.

What would be a better system? Just asking out of curiosity.
Thanks!

Zach.3264:

MM is extremely easy to play because of how bad the target system is in this game.

Exactly.
I have no trouble defeating people who have only one pet, or are just on their own. But anyone who has 2 or more pets, MM’s, Mesmers, Thieves with their 2 extra Thief buddies, Spirit Rangers, etc. are so difficult to nail down because even if you tab-target all day you’re constantly dropping target whether you like it or not. Drives me up the kitten wall.

Press the tab button, try clicking. I play MM and face other MMs, even with 12 little craps running around on the screen I manage to target the other MM just fine by clicking them.

ellesee.8297:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

I encourage all Necromancers to run MM builds! Any time a real Necromancer looks at my poor Engi, I die instantly! But MM and Power Necromancers are easy peasy! If you play Necromancer, please go MM!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

This made me smile and then reroll a thief from power necro.

how do you carry with the slowest class in the game using a build where the AI can be kited away from point and easily blown up to aoe like 100blade.

Bhawb.7408:

Press the tab button, try clicking. I play MM and face other MMs, even with 12 little craps running around on the screen I manage to target the other MM just fine by clicking them.

You can place the blame on me for choosing to use a laptop but I play with a mousepad. Clicking on my enemies or clicking my skills (as some people do) is extremely unconventional.
So although yes it’s my fault for not using an actual mouse I still feel the targeting system in this game is bad. Unless your enemy stealths or moves out of range you shouldn’t ever drop target on them once you’ve gotten it. All people have to do is move to my side or back and I have to re-target which is very clunky in combat regardless of whether you play with a regular mouse or a mousepad like I do.

I was PvP rank 60 and played necro for a majority of that time…although never MM since rank 20.

I just tried it again the last few days and can see that it is very noob friendly, but can also be played at a high level if you know how to chain minion skills.

However, anybody complaining about this build needs to L2P. It is so easy to beat if you know what you are doing.

On top of that, I found the pet AI to be still awful. I stopped playing it at rank 20 over a year ago because my Golem would just stand around doing nothing sometimes.

Come to find out…it’s still got the same primitive AI programming that its always had.

Even WOW 1.0 had better pet AI over 10 years ago than GW2.

Whoever programmed the pet AI should be embarrassed…even moreso that it is still this way so long after release.

For those who are having issues targeting the player through the AI layer :

Assuming it’s a “duel”, press closest target, then press next target, it will automatically give you the enemy player. (Except if your first target was the actual player ofc.)

Carpboy.7145:

I made my necro 12 hours ago and set him up with a 4/0/6/4/0 MM build and am already 40% done with champ phantom title. I’ve never made a necro before. Take from that what you will

You mean, 40% of the first tier, mon.

MM necro are strong but fall over if you have a way to aoe the minions down. Fear spamming necros give me more trouble tbh.

Imo condition warriors and engineers are by far the worst offenders in spvp currently. A bit of skill and they can kill or at least annoy/delay/harrass/distrupt/survive anyone.

I which my engineer would get stun break at elixir C or something else to have a chance against a condi necro. Condi Necros are unbeatable from a condi engi point of view :/