Guild Wars 2

As an Elementalist player and lover, this is absolutely horrible to read and take in.

Before you rage out at the Elementalist in your team in yoloQ for not playing an AI based class that plays itself, remember that you did this to the class.

All the endless whining about RTL, ele heals, triple cantrip bunker.

Everyone who ever complained about Elementalists, it’s your fault. Please don’t get mad at me for “playing a useless class that contributes nothing to the team.”

I don’t care! I will play the class that I love and I will get my Champ Magus title and then you’ll see my rear end as I RTL away from this horribly cancerous game mode.

I can’t enter one SoloQ game without having to block at least one person on my team.

I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.

What do you think?

I think you didn’t post this looking for an honest answer. I think you just wanted to vent.

That being said, it isn’t just the ele that gets hit every patch day.

Ryan.9387:

I think you didn’t post this looking for an honest answer. I think you just wanted to vent.

That being said, it isn’t just the ele that gets hit every patch day.

Yes but I had to make out like I had a question :P

try playing d/d ele or that good support staff build.

“I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.”

ya exactly this, power creep in this game is insane. 7 months or so back D/D ele was the most rediculously overpowered thing in the game and now it’s one of the worst after a few minor nerfs.

also the amount of people who blame their losses on ele players is disgusting. I bet they’re the same people who complain about “ELO hell” – it’s not them, it’s me.

Writetyper.1985:

“I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.”
ya exactly this, power creep in this game is insane. 7 months or so back D/D ele was the most rediculously overpowered thing in the game and now it’s one of the worst after a few minor nerfs.
also the amount of people who blame their losses on ele players is disgusting. I bet they’re the same people who complain about “ELO hell” – it’s not them, it’s me.

This wasn’t minor nerfes. Infamous 8% is a minor nerf. Previous 20% nerf for same topskilled class was a minor nerf that no one gave a kitten about.
Ele get everything that made it good methodically crushed, again and again. So now it is either a ruin or one trick nuclear pony with fresh air.

Actually people have rights to complain about ele in their team since it is statistically much worse then some top spec. But you have the same right to dont care about that since it is your fun. World is full of conflicts, you know.
The only one who have no right to allow such situation is balancing team. But I dont even remember that they recognized ele issues or told that they are going to fix it (not by adding lame blast finisher on crappy skill).

actually i am scared of good eles
but maybe because they can 1 shot me if i make 1 mistake

Its quite sad to be honest. Elementalist is one of the few classes in this game that is really well designed overall. It has proper combat rotations, proper risk and reward and proper depth as a result of that. And most importantly, its really enjoyable to play.

But it isnt viable enough.

I wouldnt really get anry with or block the guys who say something about it to be honest. They are right and every decent ele player knows that aswell. Ive won 4v5 games since the other team had 2 eles…eventhough those eles where experienced and decent enough skillwise: http://i.imgur.com/q9fRLzX.jpg

So i hope that Anet fixes eles in the right way. I would personally give them more mobility. Its a class that i see as a spikey roamer, so the mobility should be on par with classes like thieves. They should be able to kite instead of trying to sustain.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

As an Elementalist player and lover, this is absolutely horrible to read and take in.

Before you rage out at the Elementalist in your team in yoloQ for not playing an AI based class that plays itself, remember that you did this to the class.

All the endless whining about RTL, ele heals, triple cantrip bunker.

Everyone who ever complained about Elementalists, it’s your fault. Please don’t get mad at me for “playing a useless class that contributes nothing to the team.”

I don’t care! I will play the class that I love and I will get my Champ Magus title and then you’ll see my rear end as I RTL away from this horribly cancerous game mode.

I can’t enter one SoloQ game without having to block at least one person on my team.

I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.

What do you think?

I think that when you have to block atleast one person in every match,that maybe you should look at yourself first. I dont have to block anyone,in any match.

Jackums.3496:

They’re not going to nerf every other profession down to the Ele’s level, so yes, at this point, the problem is that the Ele is too weak. It needs a lot of its previous nerfs reverted, as power creep has made most other professions substantially more powerful.

If buffing is the only solution, power creep will only get worse.

Part of me wishes that staff eles were in a better spot simply because I love the long duration swiftness I get from a Static Field dropped at the start. =P

I prefer ele bunkers to warrior bunkers, just not as strong in 1v1s.

They should nerf every other class. But they don’t want to split skills. So if they nerf everything then the pve crowd will be super kittened. But they could split pvp skills. But they don’t… for reasons.

there was a reason ele was nerfed, it was far too powerful for its time, but with the power creep effect happening to the other professions we could do with the nerf getting reverted (or atleast some of them, not RTL)

back in their hayday an ele could charge against 4-5 players and do constant damage to all of them while maintaining pretty much every boon permanently and never dying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2_GXr9o-Us

the nerfs were justified then, but they need to be reverted.

I could’ve sworn the new boat is that mesmers are underpowered…

1 in a team is fine but not 2 ..

if u queue with pug and u are one of 2 eles i would say swap it.

Caedmon.6798:

SonOfKrypton.4357:

As an Elementalist player and lover, this is absolutely horrible to read and take in.

Before you rage out at the Elementalist in your team in yoloQ for not playing an AI based class that plays itself, remember that you did this to the class.

All the endless whining about RTL, ele heals, triple cantrip bunker.

Everyone who ever complained about Elementalists, it’s your fault. Please don’t get mad at me for “playing a useless class that contributes nothing to the team.”

I don’t care! I will play the class that I love and I will get my Champ Magus title and then you’ll see my rear end as I RTL away from this horribly cancerous game mode.

I can’t enter one SoloQ game without having to block at least one person on my team.

I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.

What do you think?

I think that when you have to block atleast one person in every match,that maybe you should look at yourself first. I dont have to block anyone,in any match.

Hows the weather up there?

if the teams are even an ele can be useful for surprise 1hko but if the enemy team already has an edge over yours playing ele will only widen the gap.

“never had a game with ele’s that had support that went bad.”

when solo=not so good.
when paired with support=can menace you like no other.

Good to see that there are people who agree with me!

I’ve just made a cleric staff ele with lots of blast finishers to keep the team at high HP, hopefully that’ll be worth something.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Good to see that there are people who agree with me!

I’ve just made a cleric staff ele with lots of blast finishers to keep the team at high HP, hopefully that’ll be worth something.

Suggested route:

Traits:
20 Earth for Rock Solid and Earth’s Embrace
20 Water for Cleansing Wave and Cantrip Mastery or Shards of Ice
30 Arcane for Blasting Staff, Elemental Attunement, and Evasive Arcane

Heal Skill:
Either Ether Renewal or the blast finisher healing skill (isn’t that great)

Utilities:
Arcane Wave, Conjure Lava Axe (then press 2), and possibly Armor of Earth or Lightning Flash

Elite: Glyph of Elementals

Amulet/Sigil:
Cleric and Energy

Combo:
Start in Fire/Air: Attune Water +Roll -> Healing Rain -> Roll + Earth Attunement -> Eruption -> Arcane Wave -> Conjure Flame -> Heal -> Explosive Lava Axe

Blast Finisher Count: 5

Healing Power: 998

Total Healing: 7598 (from Blasts) + 2300 (Healing Ripple) + 1150 (Water Roll) = 11048 with 2-3 Conditions Removed

Have fun.

Edit: Forgot about some healing power. You actually heal for more. All this had a CD of ~40 seconds I think.

Until it is confirmed that the ele is NOT a bunkerish spec I target them 1st. Not because they are easy kills (they are) but because they can wreck a point. Good eles are a pure terror.

bud.9246:

Caedmon.6798:

SonOfKrypton.4357:

As an Elementalist player and lover, this is absolutely horrible to read and take in.

Before you rage out at the Elementalist in your team in yoloQ for not playing an AI based class that plays itself, remember that you did this to the class.

All the endless whining about RTL, ele heals, triple cantrip bunker.

Everyone who ever complained about Elementalists, it’s your fault. Please don’t get mad at me for “playing a useless class that contributes nothing to the team.”

I don’t care! I will play the class that I love and I will get my Champ Magus title and then you’ll see my rear end as I RTL away from this horribly cancerous game mode.

I can’t enter one SoloQ game without having to block at least one person on my team.

I don’t think the problem is that Elementalist is weak, I think the problem is that other classes are too stronk.

What do you think?

I think that when you have to block atleast one person in every match,that maybe you should look at yourself first. I dont have to block anyone,in any match.

Hows the weather up there?

Bit cold,rainy..hows it there ?

Jackums.3496:

That’s exactly what power creep is. Buff enough professions that the general power bar for the game is raised. At this point the devs can’t nerf everything without causing the fans with all of the good professions to go into an uproar. Meaning the only solution is to bring the weaker professions up to the level of the rest. Then the cycle continues.
Nerfing the powerful professions is ideal, but not realistic. If anything, ANet’s Warrior favoritism and 8% “nerf” of their Healing Signet is proof of that.

You mistook balancing with implementing diversity and new features. In second cause this isn’t just upping numbers, but introducing new ways of gameplay that shouldn’t be much more effective than previously existed.
Look, even Dec 10 ele hypocrisy was positioned as “increasing build diversity”. “We dont like that all eles use arcane, water and cantrips (but still suck) and we decided to… add some interesting features to fire and signets. Wait, no, just kidding. Eat nerfs, motherkittens!”
Adjusting numbers if done correctly have no relevance with that. So there is no justification to “8% balance patches”.

As an ele myself, I really hope anet has more up their sleeve than a minor healing buff next patch. :/

Just saw team with 2 eles win. Eles played correctly are quite strong. The problem is that I do not see all that many good ele players.

The challenge that ANET has is that if they buff too much, those good players will become insanely strong.

style.6173:

Just saw team with 2 eles win. Eles played correctly are quite strong. The problem is that I do not see all that many good ele players.

How often do you see team with 2 warriors win?
I guess there are a lot, really a lot of good warrior players.

It’s not the player’s fault, it’s just that Ele is both subpar/weak AND a really difficult class to play.
It’s a combination of multiple factors which has given the Ele class a bad name…because occasionally some Ele’s DO cause losses by being free kills and dead weight.

Being “average” is not good enough to play Ele effectively. The player needs to constantly out-skill his opponents to win. Such players are not common.

The average player trying an Ele is going to do really bad compared to playing any other class. There is a steep learning curve, mistakes = death, etc. Also Ele has no real role in SPvP that isn’t done better by another class/build.
I can kill a zerker Ele in ~2 seconds flat if he messes up a dodge or his cantrips are on cooldown…doesn’t matter how good he is. And I don’t even do as much burst as Thieves or Mesmers.

One of my mates plays Ele, he loves it and we win very regularly in team queue.

Don’t let the forum heroes drag you into the circle-jerk. Ele’s can be excellent and they are fun as kitten to play.

Besides, they’re only going to improve from here.

Brew Pinch.5731:

Besides, they’re only going to improve from here.

One can only hope.

Brew Pinch.5731:

Besides, they’re only going to improve from here.

Oh, thats the best part of playing ele. You are at so much bottom that you are pretty confident about class future – it just cannot be kitten worse.