Guild Wars 2

….at the end of the game when they show us the scoreboards. I don’t want to be elitist i just want to know how good the people are that beat the kitten out of me, and know how good the people on my team were. Also show who were in a party or where solo (all of this would be confined to ranked queue so people could still play unranked if they didn’t want to reveal their mmr)

Pls make this happen anet ^.^

This would only bring more toxicity/rage at the end of the match.

Team A loses vs team B, team A has 1 player with very low mmr compared to the rest of people, guy from team A starts insulting the low mmr player and blame him for the lost match.

I support this idea.
It would be nice to know this instead of having to look up every single player on third party sites (rank and stuff).
As a player depending on your teammates it is your right to know how good they are.
At least in ranked Queue this would make sense (in unranked it is not necessary).
The rage is already there, but then people would know for sure if they carried their team or they themself got carried by their team. Maybe this would even fix the situation we currently have where ppl rage at each other for being bad without proof of anything.

I agree with sminkiottone

It wouldn’t be a fair system on new players or people who have only just started playing PvP to single them out with a display of the rating system.

To know your own MMR is one thing, but to know another player’s is a different kettle of fish.

Toxicity in PvP chat can be bad enough without it.

penelopehannibal.8947:

I agree with sminkiottone

It wouldn’t be a fair system on new players or people who have only just started playing PvP to single them out with a display of the rating system.

To know your own MMR is one thing, but to know another player’s is a different kettle of fish.

Toxicity in PvP chat can be bad enough without it.

if you are a new player you are getting matched with new players, so you will have a mmr simmilar to theirs.
Also what about only showing it in ranked matches that actually matter?

sminkiottone.6972:

This would only bring more toxicity/rage at the end of the match.

If anet is worried about this, then just show the other teams mmr, however I think it won’t be that big of an issue if anets matchmaking system works well, since everyone should be in the same mmr range

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

penelopehannibal.8947:

I agree with sminkiottone

It wouldn’t be a fair system on new players or people who have only just started playing PvP to single them out with a display of the rating system.

To know your own MMR is one thing, but to know another player’s is a different kettle of fish.

Toxicity in PvP chat can be bad enough without it.

if you are a new player you are getting matched with new players, so you will have a mmr simmilar to theirs.
Also what about only showing it in ranked matches that actually matter?

I understand this, but I still think it’s a bad idea because there will most likely be some people with a lower MMR than others, and all it’ll do is cause one of two things:

The losing team will blame the one or two members with the lowest MMR.

The winning team will show off saying “Ha – we have lower MMR than you and we still PWNED you dawg”

This is not good for the community.

show mmr but don’t tell who does it belong to could be an option, like telling you total mmr for team A was <number> and for team B <number> but don’t tell which is A and which is B.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

penelopehannibal.8947:

I agree with sminkiottone

It wouldn’t be a fair system on new players or people who have only just started playing PvP to single them out with a display of the rating system.

To know your own MMR is one thing, but to know another player’s is a different kettle of fish.

Toxicity in PvP chat can be bad enough without it.

if you are a new player you are getting matched with new players, so you will have a mmr simmilar to theirs.
Also what about only showing it in ranked matches that actually matter?

I understand this, but I still think it’s a bad idea because there will most likely be some people with a lower MMR than others, and all it’ll do is cause one of two things:

The losing team will blame the one or two members with the lowest MMR.

The winning team will show off saying “Ha – we have lower MMR than you and we still PWNED you dawg”

This is not good for the community.

If you remove every single bit of the game where a player can show his/her prestige, there is no reason in playing this game competitive.
There will be always players who are better/worse than others, but this is no reason for not showing this.
I dont think showing the mmr will result in higher toxity than we have right now, other competitive games do this also and there ppl are ok with it. I have no clue why in this game ppl fear the truth.

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

I have no clue why in this game ppl fear the truth.

I do not fear the truth, I just want to play a good game without me or someone else being harassed by other players just because of MMR lol.
If you need to show how good you are to others you can always try out ESL and other tournaments.

sminkiottone.6972:

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

I have no clue why in this game ppl fear the truth.

I do not fear the truth, I just want to play a good game without me or someone else being harassed by other players just because of MMR lol.
If you need to show how good you are to others you can always try out ESL and other tournaments.

Isn’t ranked queue also about showing how good you are?

sminkiottone.6972:

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

I have no clue why in this game ppl fear the truth.

I do not fear the truth, I just want to play a good game without me or someone else being harassed by other players just because of MMR lol.
If you need to show how good you are to others you can always try out ESL and other tournaments.

If you want a nice, judgement free match, unranked is right there, ranked is called ranked for a reason.

This isn’t very well thought through. People used to flip out about ranks being next to the name. I have seen people flip out about having level 1’s on their team. Showing the MMR would just increase the ragey-ness needlessly. I can not wait for the dishonor system to work as the devs intend it to work. The 4v5’s are almost a thing of the past. With this new system, it’s all but gone when compared to how it used to be. Just wait until the matches start balancing themselves out and players are pitted against like-skilled players. The system isn’t even fully implemented yet.

Patience.

Iason Evan.3806:

This isn’t very well thought through. People used to flip out about ranks being next to the name. I have seen people flip out about having level 1’s on their team. Showing the MMR would just increase the ragey-ness needlessly. I can not wait for the dishonor system to work as the devs intend it to work. The 4v5’s are almost a thing of the past. With this new system, it’s all but gone when compared to how it used to be. Just wait until the matches start balancing themselves out and players are pitted against like-skilled players. The system isn’t even fully implemented yet.

Patience.

Other games have this, its normal for them, why not for this game?

Iason Evan.3806:

This isn’t very well thought through. People used to flip out about ranks being next to the name. I have seen people flip out about having level 1’s on their team. Showing the MMR would just increase the ragey-ness needlessly. I can not wait for the dishonor system to work as the devs intend it to work. The 4v5’s are almost a thing of the past. With this new system, it’s all but gone when compared to how it used to be. Just wait until the matches start balancing themselves out and players are pitted against like-skilled players. The system isn’t even fully implemented yet.

Patience.

I’d like to remind you where I said at the end of the match. This will prevent those ragers from flipping out during the game. On a side note, why does anet show the characters PvE level? It makes no sense to me or has any value whatsoever in a PvP context.

Cenzuo.6328:

If you want a nice, judgement free match, unranked is right there, ranked is called ranked for a reason.

Ranked is ment to be a place for people who wants to compete in a system where loosing and winning mean something, that doesn’t mean you are authorised to harass and bully people.

sminkiottone.6972:

Cenzuo.6328:

If you want a nice, judgement free match, unranked is right there, ranked is called ranked for a reason.

Ranked is ment to be a place for people who wants to compete in a system where loosing and winning mean something, that doesn’t mean you are authorised to harass and bully people.

If the mmr is shown at the end of each game, players will be given the opportunity to see each players mmr. After that they can leave, they can leave before the mmr is even shown. There is really no time for players to flame each other. If players go to the extent of flaming you via whispers, then you can block them. I’m not really seeing the problem here.

Cenzuo.6328:

If the mmr is shown at the end of each game, players will be given the opportunity to see each players mmr. After that they can leave, they can leave before the mmr is even shown. There is really no time for players to flame each other. If players go to the extent of flaming you via whispers, then you can block them. I’m not really seeing the problem here.

I still don’t understand why you need to see other people mmr, I can see a practical reason to see your own mmr, but not others. If it gives us some benefits that outweight the possibility of being harassed then I’m all in, but untill someone gives me at least 1 good reason I don’t see it being a good idea.

sminkiottone.6972:

I still don’t understand why you need to see other people mmr, I can see a practical reason to see your own mmr, but not others. If it gives us some benefits that outweight the possibility of being harassed then I’m all in, but untill someone gives me at least 1 good reason I don’t see it being a good idea.

The point of showing everyone’s mmr, is the reason other competitive games have some sort of visible mmr (WoW, Dota 2 etc), which is to compare yourself skill wise and to rank yourself against others. It’s a competitive statistic that tells other how good you are (or atleast how good the mm system thinks you are).

Another reason would be to justify your win/loss. If my team losses badly but i see their mmr was higher than ours, then that can help explain our loss, rather than just having to accept it.

Cenzuo.6328:

sminkiottone.6972:

I still don’t understand why you need to see other people mmr, I can see a practical reason to see your own mmr, but not others. If it gives us some benefits that outweight the possibility of being harassed then I’m all in, but untill someone gives me at least 1 good reason I don’t see it being a good idea.

The point of showing everyone’s mmr, is the reason other competitive games have some sort of visible mmr (WoW, Dota 2 etc), which is to compare yourself skill wise and to rank yourself against others. It’s a competitive statistic that tells other how good you are (or atleast how good the mm system thinks you are).

Another reason would be to justify your win/loss. If my team losses badly but i see their mmr was higher than ours, then that can help explain our loss, rather than just having to accept it.

And if your team lost, you can check the worst players MMR from your team and whisper them about how bad they are!

Little sarcasm there, but this already happens. I’ve had games where I do everything right as far as I can tell, fight on points, get kills, etc, and I’ve still been whispered saying I’m bad from dudes who die pushing a bunkered far, die off point, etc. That attitude exists now, this change would make it so much worse.

My mmr is probably on the lowest end of the board, but I still think I would like it to be shown with the other players, simply because I want to compare myself to others.
People can say “play for fun” all they like, my fun is to win, or lose grandiously at the very least. I am competitive, I like competition and I want to know where I am situated compared to others.
I know, instinctively, if I have been good or not in a game, if I helped my team or hindered it, showing mmr won’t change a thing. And if it happens that I am blasted because I have the lowest of the whole team and we lost? then so be it, what’s the worst they can do? Caps lock me to death?
At worst I report them… and block them.
But yes, show us people’s rank or mmr, I don’t care. Show something. Pve levels doesn,t mean anything…

i have to agree to something:

play for fun -> go unranked, especially now that they made it less of a mess than hotjoin was (i actually advocated for this more than once, great change)

play competitive and expect competition. that is to say play to WIN, not to “have fun”. people can get nasty when they compete, it’s human nature and will never go away.

and part of competition is to show off your results so i’m in favour of allowing others to see my rank/mmr/whatever during a ranked match