Guild Wars 2

hi guys, well maybe anet ppls see this or not, i more think not…
but after long sad time now,
i rly beg u, make more ranger builds available on tournamets…
(i think its not only ranger need more builds available, but i ask for ranger, because im ranger player…)

its so sad to see only beastmaster ranger builds (0/0/30/10/30 or 0/0/30/20/20) works well on tournament atm…
guild wars 2 is nearly the only game where i have to play a ranger like a bunker… and thats rly sad guys…
i love the ranger skills and the ranger playstyle, but i think he need rly more builds available then beastmaster on tpvp.. (and most ppls dont like rangers because this build atm)

i tried so much time to create a new good ranger build, but its always the same… nothing works well, only tanky beastmaster is working good enough for the team…
and bm is more like a 1vs1 build and not so strong to join the teamfights with it, defend homepoint or attack farpoint is his job…

some ppls whould say now “oh there is also trapper ranger”.
yes, thats true…
but i think trapper ranger is not strong enough for high ranked tournament… the engin can do this job rly much better…
when u go with trapper ranger u need 2. conditioner for use trapper condis good enough, dont know, maybe im wrong on this point.

but i think trapper ranger is to weak, u can not beat the bomb engi and no dps eles on a 1vs1
and on midfight is the guard remove all conditions fast enough from himself and his team when u dont use 2. condition player in your team…
also its hard to assault the mesmer on farpoint for a 1vs1 with trapper, its a to high risk and yes its not so easy to 1vs1 a shatter mes as trapper on his point at tourny when u always have to be sure nobody come to help him…

at the patches are always only pet (or underwater-.-) changes… but the pets are not the only problem on the ranger… and they are strong enough now, maybe it whould be nice to controll them more, becaue ranger have not much skills (on f1 to f4) to use like ele or engi, but its ok…
there should be more think about the traits, skills and weapons. weapons like longbow are useless like hell at tpvp…

for safe my arguments a bit… (because its a forum…)
i think im not bad ranger player and know the ranger good…
i have 2,5k games as ranger atm and
i also joined 3k tournamets, 1,7k with ranger (in good old times as trapper and as beastmaster atm)
and also have 1,3k tournys with guardian bunker (i learned guardian because there was some rly sad moments as ranger, where i dont liked to play ranger anymore… and the teams dont whanted to have rangers)

at least, rly sry for the bad engl, its not my own language and
for posting it not on ranger forum.
but i feel like, when i post it on ranger forum, there will be not much interest
for this post,
its sounds there more like pve problems, maybe here nobody is interestet too, because much ppls dont like the rangers… well

cheers, sylwina darnus

Ranger is like the best profession next to Mesmer. They are beyond over powered.

it’s amazing what the power of fotm can do. before the patch no one ever noticed bm rangers and almost all rangers ran trap…

Describes current situation very well. Engy has made trap builds and I’d say even necros obsolete, but hey atleast you have one very strong 1v1 spec/homebunker build available which still makes you viable. Professions like warriors have no viable builds and in current meta necros don’t really have a role either.

The problem is this super bad game mode.

Eles are also forced to play uber boring water/evasivearcana builds.
Even if they give more builds to most classes, bunkers will still be needed..

Not to dump on your plea, but doesnt every single class want a second build they can play…or 1 build at all…

ANET doesn’t create builds, you do. Go play with traits and who knows what you might come up with. That’s how every single build prior has been created. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you how to play your class…

Neare.9703:

ANET doesn’t create builds, you do. Go play with traits and who knows what you might come up with. That’s how every single build prior has been created. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you how to play your class

Boldly go where no man has gone before.

Neare.9703:

ANET doesn’t create builds, you do. Go play with traits and who knows what you might come up with. That’s how every single build prior has been created. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you how to play your class…

the only limit is your own imagination!!!
also: bugged traits

hi, thx for all replays

@Red Raven
come on… pls dont speak about shatter mesmer and beastmaster rangers are op at tournament, because thats rly not true…
u should know why, i dont whant to start such discussion…

@ahuba
thats not true, before the patch, there was also good beasmaster rangers playing.
kanscout, konrad quest are two of them.
i also used beastmaster at this time before much ppls now use it…
trapper time was rly short, best time of trapper use was when ppls was think “oh ranger, its free kill”. but this was the time 1 month after release. there was not such good player skill like now….
trapper was getting famouse because one of team paradigm was run a trapp ranger i think.. but it was short time of famous trapper and ppls was think its op, but it was not…

@Psychobunny
yes, agree with you :/
well its rly nice to be viable to play my favourite class at tournament.
but never thought i will be a bunker when i startet with ranger at release…
beastmaster is nice build, but its not fun to be only able to go with this pet build

@Reroll
yes :/

@Ganksinatra
well its true, but anet should finaly do IT
they sayed at state of the game, that they whant put more viable builds for all classes into the game… but not see much of this atm…
and i whant in the future more builds… better create such topics, then do nothing i think, dont know…
but its same when i dont create it, because it will be ignored and ppls like neare are happy with situation atm i think.

@neare
wow, again for u, thats exactly what i have write: “i tried so much time to create a new good ranger build, but its always the same… nothing works well”

well, just thx to u, that u think i just write to forum before i used my brain…

edit: thx milo and Brinson for post :P

Let’s just hope for something nice in future tweaks and those godawfully slow balance patches.

P.S. Psy = “Psychedelic” not “Psycho” ^^

oh sry Psybunny

y, lets see what they will say at the state of game..^^

You won’t see very many builds in TPvP besides Traps and Bunkers concerning rangers for a reason.

1. We don’t have the burst of classes like Mesmer’s/Thieves while keeping escapes like they have (Stealth), Because a portion of our damage is tied into our Pet. I mean we can hit hard with Maul against other Berserker Builds, but its no where near the level of Mesmer’s/Thieves.

B. If you’re not capable of doing Burst like other classes while maintaining survivability… You better be able to provide Group Support in some meaningful way. In our case, We had something like that in the Form of Spirits during Beta, but they nerfed that….We have no way to really provide massive number of boons like Engies/Ele’s/Guardians… So we’re left with Conditions and providing Combo Fields…and the two best specs for that are Trap Build and BM Bunker Builds.

GankSinatra.2653:

Not to dump on your plea, but doesnt every single class want a second build they can play…or 1 build at all…

Exactly most classes are in this boat or maybe a little better off. They need to do a comprehensive review of all traits and weapons for every class at some point to try to allow for more competitive builds for everyone.

milo.6942:

Neare.9703:

ANET doesn’t create builds, you do. Go play with traits and who knows what you might come up with. That’s how every single build prior has been created. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you how to play your class…

the only limit is your own imagination!!!
also: bugged traits

lmao

Oidmetala.8426:

hi, thx for all replays

@Red Raven
come on… pls dont speak about shatter mesmer and beastmaster rangers are op at tournament, because thats rly not true…
u should know why, i dont whant to start such discussion…

That’s not the point.

You at least have a viable spec.

Warriors have none.

Neare.9703:

ANET doesn’t create builds, you do. Go play with traits and who knows what you might come up with. That’s how every single build prior has been created. Stop waiting for someone else to tell you how to play your class…

Say this again please, but say it louder so everyone hears.

ahuba.6430:

it’s amazing what the power of fotm can do. before the patch no one ever noticed bm rangers and almost all rangers ran trap…

Traps do not put pressure on anyone besides the person on point. With engineers making up a prominent part of teams, warriors falling out of favor, thieves playing differently and mesmers being used proportionally less, on-point cleave has dropped down in terms of value. Being able to throw a bird on an engineer, however, always puts pressure on him, regardless of his positioning.

There are about 2-3 viable builds for most any class in tournies, especially yolo que ones.
That’s 12-18 completely and totally viable ways to play a toon where you aren’t at a notable disadvantage.
That’s perfectly fine.

I’d rather GW2 focused on getting good gameplay than more ways to not enjoy it.

no its not true…
most classes have only 1, max 2 viable builds working well at tournament…

and ppls who agree with neare have never tried to create there own build i think…
there are so MUCH limits to create good builds
each class have so much useless traits, i dont know who have create such traits…

one of this useless traits is at ranger wildness survivel the trait VIII (spiritual knowlede)
i mean, WTF why i need 35% better change on spirits when this spirits have a 10 sec effect recharge… i TRIED, its same when u dont use this trait because the change is enough to get the effect each 10 seconds…
AND there are more useless traits like this on ranger and other classes. THATS the limits to create builds… and the useless skills like spirit and most pet shouts…

edit: and last patch anet buffed this spirits traits, but its like they dont know what they do, because it was a buff dont works, i dont need 70% cast chance on spirits when they have 10sec effect recharge…

The good thing about Sun Spirit is, the effect can last longer than the cooldown but right now it’s bugged and you can’t extend the duration with condition duration runes but you can with trait points in marksmanship.

The only spirits I find really ineffective are Storm Spirit and Frost Spirit. Those two just leave me scratching my head.
I’ve already made the suggestion here on how I think Frost Spirit and Storm Spirit should change. Hopefully someone hears our pleas.

Hey, there’s one profession with the most build diversities that can’t even stand in PVP.

It looks like some of u here have never played competetive tournies…. Rangers have the main job doing pressure on farpoint or keeping an eye on homepoint and roam all over the map. S/d thieves can do this like instantly so bm are really useless atm. (Thieves can across a range over 4000 instantly if they want.)
And in teamfights bm are a joke.. we have so much problems when we play against a team with a thief.
ranger really need a buff, so they could play with new builds or they will die out in pvp..

sorry for my bad english :>
Bry Z

>They are may good in 1v1 situations, but they suck so much in playing in a team.. and cause of that all hotjoin naps are crying in forums that rangers are op. Nerf this kittenin bm build and give him something usefull for teamplay…

hi, jojoh

i agree with u, but dont whant a beastmaster nerf, i think this build is balanced for tournaments and its the only one we can use atm…
only at 1vs1 servers its sad to use him, but there are other sick builds like phantasm mes also.
and guild wars 2 i not a real 1vs1 game…

only what i whant is more tournament builds viable for rangers atm, because its not fun to play always beastmaster at tournament, i love to play ranger and i whant join teamfights also… maybe bring trapper back dont know, but its a bit to weak atm using trapper in tourny…
i rly hope anet will make more builds viable in future, for ranger and all other classes…

and atm the “meta” looks more like beastmaster will be leave tournamets, im pretty sure about this, that we will see at near future not much more beastmasters… my team also dont whant beastmaster in team…
i only know 3 good teams which use a beastmaster atm in high ranked tpvp

Oidmetala.8426:

no its not true…
most classes have only 1, max 2 viable builds working well at tournament…

Beastmaster bunker.
Trap ranger.
Greatsword offensive beastmaster.

All viable ways to spec I have seen do extremely well for themselves.

The game is swarming with useless traits.
No that doesn’t mean they are a large problem.
Yes it helps a game seem more polished.
No that doesn’t mean they need to not be useless for the game to be good.

Every game has ups, downs and niches in its ‘top tier’ balancing.
That is inevitable and means little.

What does mater is how enjoyable the gameplay is…
And GW2 doesn’t deliver atm.

@grenth
well i speak about tournamet, and not hot join or something like (sry, i hate it) WVW…

there is for sure no greatsword offensive beastmaster working rly well at tournament and the trapper is not strong enough, better take the engin at this point or maybe necromancer

only one working well build is beastmater bunker with the condi dmg and pet dmg, which is more interesting then dmg with a greatsword… and go melee with less survive..

yes there i agree with u.
the game mechanic is rly good, thats why i stay at guild wars pvp and not other game!
gj on this point to anet

….
I’m sorry.
Then your just complaining for agitations sake.

Yes, neither of those specs (trap/greatsword) probly made it into the top tier streams you watch.
No top tier streams don’t tend to have crazy amounts of build diversity.
But then again… you don’t play in top tier streams.

Again I’m sorry, L2P, a mild amount of skill will easily make either of them work.

(I’ve gotten my trap ranger invited into some of the best premades around before I quit)

for sure im qq garethh, because i whant more working ranger builds.
dont know why ppls like u go rage a bit here when ppls whant have more builds viable… i whant no buffs and no nerfs at allready working builds, just some new not working weapons, traits and skills go to be usefull!

and pls dont flame me, because u know nothing about my skills and gameplay.
i also dont flamed u after reading such interesting things like greatsword offensive ranger.
but after read this i was fast sure, u are not skilled player!

i play in a team and we are for sure not the strongest, but we are skilled players and also face rly strong teams and can win vs them or have a good game!
and i stay most time top 100 at ladder when i dont go some joins with friendlist because i dont care of this ladder!

so i think i dont have l2p much more the ranger, im not bad with this one and i only face strong ppls at tournament!

You’re QQ’ing because you feel a minor inconvenience to yourself is worth the devs main attention, in a game that is hemorrhaging players.

More builds would be nifty.
But deeper/improved gameplay in what we already have… that would do so much more for this game…

Oidmetala.8426:

hi, jojoh

i agree with u, but dont whant a beastmaster nerf, i think this build is balanced for tournaments and its the only one we can use atm…
only at 1vs1 servers its sad to use him, but there are other sick builds like phantasm mes also.
and guild wars 2 i not a real 1vs1 game…

only what i whant is more tournament builds viable for rangers atm, because its not fun to play always beastmaster at tournament, i love to play ranger and i whant join teamfights also… maybe bring trapper back dont know, but its a bit to weak atm using trapper in tourny…
i rly hope anet will make more builds viable in future, for ranger and all other classes…

and atm the “meta” looks more like beastmaster will be leave tournamets, im pretty sure about this, that we will see at near future not much more beastmasters… my team also dont whant beastmaster in team…
i only know 3 good teams which use a beastmaster atm in high ranked tpvp

We actually dropped BM spec from our composition, since it felt that ranger contribution although it’s good is too passive and absolutely limited in teamfights. It can duel pretty much everything 1v1 and win 90% of those fights, only engy and bunker ele are nasty opponents.

Biggest problem we had was when homepoint isn’t pressured at all, ranger is left in a passive state and your whole team is left in an constant 4v5 situation on other points. This is also what I disliked the most when I played BM for a while. BM doesn’t hold out so well against a 3v1 push also. We swapped our whole composition for more mobility/damage focus and rabid engy is playing our “ranger” role. A strong argument for engy choice was pointcontrol, teamfight ability, mobility and elixir “rezzing”. Though ranger’s spirit elite can do similar results the overall flexibility of engy seems better. I’m not suprised if BM ranger focus will start declining even more.

is the long bow still a completely useless weapon?

anyways ya… lot of that whole ‘my class only has x build’ where x is an integer value greater than or equal to 0

yes, longbow is still completely useless in my mind atm…

i have not find any build work well on tournament with longbow and i have try to create 3 builds which use a longbow at least…
and in my mind the longsword and axe on second hand is also useless atm… (but not so much like longbow)

yesterday i tried to create a dmg build for ranger with sword/axe and any other weapon set based on dps and immobilize
i tried to immobilize and jumpt with sword 2 to the enemy switch jaguar pet for more dmg and use then the axe 5 for dps him
well for sure its trash but it was nice gameplay combo, just dont work because not much dmg and less survive… and easy to knoch down or interrupt…

Push – This needs more attention after sotg.

And Arenanet please consider – Reduce Pet damage affects all ranger builds – Not just “OP” ones. You bound us to the pet – Its not our fault how the design is!

So here my proposal:

Instead of tweaking skills or pets, which is always stupid because it does not help build diversity because it affects many builds, just change traits!
Think about what rangers make strong – Low health pool, high regeneration uptime and high toughness.

So just make Natures Bounty+Protection master traits – This is a minor tweak with a high influence on the other hand! Because a ranger has to invest more points into Nature magic and he has to choose between those two traits.
In the end he has either less healing power or less regeneration uptime. And the best it just affects the BM and not other builds (which were already useless before)