Guild Wars 2

for the next season, since this season is already kittened.

since people are losing to lower their MMR in hopes of better chances to get pips, why don’t we remove MMR completely and replace it with pips?

might speed up queue time too.

how it should work:

1. when any solo, duo, tri, quad, full-5 queue, they enter the pool.
2. pool starts assigning teams when 10 people in pool.
3. attempt to assign players so that each team ’s total pip is equal.
4. match prediction is based on party size, total pips in team
5. repeat for next pool of 10 players

this will no doubt, eliminate queue time completely.

for example,

1-q – john (amber 5/15)
2-q – mary (amber 10/15) , susan (amber 13/15)
3-q – sharon (emerald 5/25) , jolie (emerald 1/25) , jane (emerald 23/25)
4-q – jess (amber 1/15), kate (amber 2/15) , patty (amber 6/15) , iris (amber 3/15)

whops? 10 people in the pool!
start assigning teams!

unfortunately, due to party size composition, the arranged team is as follow

blue – harem team (17 pips)
1-q – john (amber 5/15)
4-q – jess (amber 1/15), kate (amber 2/15) , patty (amber 6/15) , iris (amber 3/15)

versus

red – all girls team (97 pips)
2-q – mary (amber 10/15) , susan (amber 13/15)
3-q – sharon (emerald 5/25) , jolie (emerald 1/25) , jane (emerald 23/25)

as the emerald tri queue girls are in emerald, they have 15 pips each for graduating from amber division.

as 97 – 17 pips = 80 pips total difference, match predictions says red – all girls team ought to win by a landslide.

blue – harem team will earn 3 pips for winning, 2 pips for scoring at least 400 team score and 1 pip for earning at least 300 team score.

red – all girls team will only earn 1 pip for winning, -1 pips for scoring at least 400 team score, -2 pip for earning at least 300 team score, -3 pips for scoring less than 300 team score.

see? simple, easy, right?
people will no longer benefit by tanking their MMR.

discuss!

btw i said this before but no one bothered to discuss really.

no feedback?

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Why would you even use score to consider who deserve how many pips, if one random Amber guy in your team who doesn’t care can make your match 100-500 against much worse team…

MM never should put Amber guys with anything above Amer in one team, they ruin so many matches with “I can’t lose pip anyway” attitude and careless gameplay.

Morwath.9817:

Why would you even use score to consider who deserve how many pips, if one random Amber guy in your team who doesn’t care can make your match 100-500 against much worse team…

MM never should put Amber guys with anything above Amer in one team, they ruin so many matches with “I can’t lose pip anyway” attitude and careless gameplay.

well, thats why we are having this discussion.
to discuss, before things goes live.
anyway, this is just me.

they will never consider something like this.

well, ideally, the pool will only draw people from the same division.

i.e. when amber ppl queue, the enter the amber pool.

for example,

1q – peter (amber 1/15)
2q – lily (amber 13/15) , sasha (amber 6/15)
5q – may (amber 1/15) , janet (amber 1/15) , jessica (amber 1/15) , jenny (amber 1/15) , skye (amber 1/15)
2q – goku (amber 14/15) , gohan (amber 14/15)

the system would make teams like

red – experienced amber group (48 pips)
1q – peter (amber 1/15)
2q – lily (amber 13/15) , sasha (amber 6/15)
2q – goku (amber 14/15) , gohan (amber 14/15)

blue – newbie amber group (5 pips)
5q – may (amber 1/15) , janet (amber 1/15) , jessica (amber 1/15) , jenny (amber 1/15) , skye (amber 1/15)

match prediction would say red should win the match by a landslide. but since its amber they do not lose pips. but blue team may earn more pips if they won.

Okay, here’s how you fix it properly:

You have MMR and league rating (essentially number of total pips though all divisionis). League rating resets at the start of the season, MMR stays the same or gets a percentage chopped off at the end of a season. When you win, you get bonus pips if your MMR is much higher than your league rating. Matching is done solely with MMR. This pushes good players to higher leagues quickly at the start of a season.

So Dragon ranks and Rabbit ranks all start with 0 PIPS regardless of previous time spent in PvP? Then get matched against each other according to how much they have grinded? That Rabbit rank might have only bought the game 2 weeks ago just before PIP release too…. Hopefully you see that issue there….

I like your idea, but it needs some tweaking… At the risk of sounding like an elitist, maybe it would be good to have ranks factor into the system too..

0-19 in a group with a PIP system
20-39 in a group with a PIP system
40-59 in a group with a PIP system
60-80 in a group with a PIP system

yay.

they are replacing mmr with pips instead.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

yay.

they are replacing mmr with pips instead.

which is dumb. They should have replaced pips with mmr.

I think pip gain should be based on a metric like the old fame points were. If you team wins it stays together and plays other teams that have won.

If you won you got 1 point for the first win, but they kept increasing up to 40 pts per match for >13 wins in a row. That rewards the good players, but still allows the grinders to progress.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

well, thats why we are having this discussion.
to discuss, before things goes live.

If they would give a kitten about what is discussed on those forums, including all game issues (even if we exclude balance problems) game wouldn’t be as bad as it is.