Guild Wars 2

Either remove it or give it 2 min CD. Stop gold spooning engis and revs. People who wanted to buy HoT already bought xpac, no need for moronic imbalance for the sake of sales anymore.

Why I am not suprised this topic comes from you? Learn to counter it, adapt… you say you are good with your class, but why I think we are about to see much more topics like this from you now, when you hit the brick wall with the losing streaks? Funny how it works, right? Not that I didn’t absolutely saw that coming, but its still amusing. Have fun!

MirrorOfNature.4279:

Why I am not suprised this topic comes from you? Learn to counter it, adapt… you say you are good with your class, but why I think we are about to see much more topics like this from you now, when you hit the brick wall with the losing streaks? Funny how it works, right? Not that I didn’t absolutely saw that coming, but its still amusing. Have fun!

No, it has been annoying me since HoT beta. I knew they added it to increase HoT sales but really at this point it is just stupid. Even DS was changed because it was crappy design and a binary hardcounter.

Counter? Only counter to it is dodges and i have only so many, especially vs scrapper and revs. Adapt? Sure, i just gonna faceroll reaper and rev like everyone and their mother. Or how about steal locks out other classes from half of their spells/traits for 6 sec. Sounds great to me!

2min cd? Sure if reveal itself will last 1min.. maybe tone down stealth spam?

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

I think that is called CC.

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

Faux Play.6104:

I think that is called CC.

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

CC scrapper and rev… AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA yeah gl with that. Please name me CC that thief has that can CC those classes for 6 sec straight.

Thieves have CC, and I hope you are more mobile than a hammer Eng. Thief is definitely not the super class of this meta, but there needs to be a counter for stealth in the game.

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

I think that is called CC.

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

CC scrapper and rev… AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA yeah gl with that. Please name me CC that thief has that can CC those classes for 6 sec straight.

Engi is not applying Reveal. It doesn’t prevent you re-entering stealth. It just removes stealth, which is only valuable when the Thief kittened up and is trying to save his hide by stealthing right in front of everyone. L2P

I play a lot of strong hold matchs rank/unranked and i use to get teamed vs premades. the scrapper and rev reveals were only a real issue for me if i played old vanilla d/p thats (DA/SA/TRIK) if i rolled daredevil instead or even played s/d then i was under no real pressure from reveal, just the rest of their kitten nal lol.

every class needs a weakness, hell, the thief class alone counters a mesmer regardless of what the mesmer plays (condi tank might take some time) and the fact that d/p is so good, it’s weakness is that it rely a lot on stealth too.

The way i see it is that yes, stealth needs some counterplay, but currently reveal is too devastating, one skill can disable your whole trait line and possibly your utility skills which are majority of the defensive tools thief has if that thief is running shadow arts. Assuming you don’t use dd and sa both at the same time.

When someone is petrified, stunned, knocked down it disables most of their skill bar not just one type of mechanic. Thief still has more dodges than anyone which is a global shutdown on any incoming skill. All reveal does is temporarily disable stealthing.

we have 1 extra dodge, and some vigor if trait for all 3 lines. scrapper and rev have more then enough evades.

Faux Play.6104:

When someone is petrified, stunned, knocked down it disables most of their skill bar not just one type of mechanic. Thief still has more dodges than anyone which is a global shutdown on any incoming skill. All reveal does is temporarily disable stealthing.

The problem with this is that reveal from engi and rev pretty much forces thieves into DD build and cripple the little remaining team support thieves have. 6 sec duration hardcounter on 20 sec CD on classes that already hardcounter thieves is just overkill imo.

Last time I checked, stealth is NOT a thief mechanic.

The “Revealed effect” gets applied to any profession when “stealth is broken”.

Cynz.9437:

People who wanted to buy HoT already bought xpac, no need for moronic imbalance for the sake of sales anymore.

SlimChance.6593:

Last time I checked, stealth is NOT a thief mechanic.

The “Revealed effect” gets applied to any profession when “stealth is broken”.

No class has entire trait line dedicated to stealth besides thief though. Also i didn’t say thief mechanic anywhere. I just think 20 sec CD on 6 sec revealed is too short and too strong.

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

Here you tried to justify your opinion by comparing it to engineer’s mechanic.

SlimChance.6593:

Cynz.9437:

Faux Play.6104:

Why should a class be able to spam invisibility and no class be able to counter it?

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Also, there is counter to stealth – namely aoe and there is crap load of it in HoT.

Here you tried to justify your opinion by comparing it to engineer’s mechanic.

elaborate?

You made a thread about changing “reveal”.

Another player asks a question on why you think a its justified or one that counters your suggestion, and you compare reveal to having the eng’s class mechanic locked out.

I merely pointed out that stealth is NOT a class mechanic and you cannot dismiss counters to your statement by comparing it to other class mechanics.

I play all the classes affected by this ( Thief as D/P, scrapper and rev ) and I hoenstly think its fine.
The reveals are all pretty slow, and it can be very hard to get a thief with it if the thief is smart about it.

The only thing I don’t like is that the Rev ones inflict reveals on target even before they stealth, for the sword 3 under reveal combo.

SlimChance.6593:

You made a thread about changing “reveal”.

Another player asks a question on why you think a its justified or one that counters your suggestion, and you compare reveal to having the eng’s class mechanic locked out.

I merely pointed out that stealth is NOT a class mechanic and you cannot dismiss counters to your statement by comparing it to other class mechanics.

Just to point out how absurd it is. If i get Ccd i can use stun breaker. If i have condis, i can use condi cleanse. If i have 6 reveal on me…. well, i can try to kite engi, no way to kite rev though.

Nocta, my problem with it is that it is too low CD for something so powerful on top of already too many overloaded tools on borderline broken classes and it forces thief players into DD (which is also not a solution).

In your opinion it is “absurd”. My opinion is that “stealth” in is a HUGE advantage in combat. There is NO downside to “steatlh”. Because of that “reveal” is necessary and if anything it should be more readily available to more professions.

Thief is not the only profession that is currently forced into certain traits/weapons simply to survive. I’m sorry but that’s not enough justification.

SlimChance.6593:

In your opinion it is “absurd”. My opinion is that “stealth” in is a HUGE advantage in combat. There is NO downside to “steatlh”. Because of that “reveal” is necessary and if anything it should be more readily available to more professions.

Thief is not the only profession that is currently forced into certain traits/weapons simply to survive. I’m sorry but that’s not enough justification.

So let just leave it how it is? Great argument.

Stealth also has HUGE disadvantage – you lose point. Stealth is also not invul.

Thanks for keeping an open mind.

However, I’d like to make one more point if I may.

Cynz.9437:

So let just leave it how it is? Great argument.

Stealth also has HUGE disadvantage – you lose point. Stealth is also not invul.

This is a misnomer. If a player decides to stand in a red circle, he will take damage whether he is visible or invisible. Thus, taking damage when invisible is NOT a “downside” or disadvantage.

Does stealth prevent you from dodging?
Does stealth prevent you from blocking?
Does stealth prevent evades?
Does stealth immobilize or otherwise restrict motion, shadowsteps, blink, teleports?

An invisible player has exact same options to avoid damage as a visible player. There is NO downside.

The invisible player has the advantage(over a visible player) by “breaking target”. Making it even more difficult to be struck. (Not to mention being “invisible”)

The ONLY “downside”, as you mentioned, is the inability to “cap a point” and this only applies to conquest. With Stronghold being added to ranked, this disadvantage is diminished even more.

My point is stealth is not block or invul in that sense, it doesn’t prevent dmg, it just helps to avoid dmg in some cases.

I am obviously talk only from conquest perspective. SH is just….. ehhhhhhhhhhh. Let’s not open that can of worms.

Out of curiosity, how often are reveals screwing you over, and in what situations?

Cynz.9437:

Either remove it or give it 2 min CD. Stop gold spooning engis and revs. People who wanted to buy HoT already bought xpac, no need for moronic imbalance for the sake of sales anymore.

so you’re telling us you cant evade and runaway for 5-6 seconds without stealth? what kind of pathetic player are you ?

you’re gonna love trying to run away from a ranger with their 2000 range reveal that also gives their pets super speed and 40% damage

Salamander.2504:

Out of curiosity, how often are reveals screwing you over, and in what situations?

Revs mostly and while rezzing someone. Problem with rev is anything they hit you with takes like 30-50% of your HP if not more, some things are homing or aoe and ignore stealth anyway. You can dodge only so much vs them. While you can kite scrapper you can’t kite rev (decent one at least). I am obviously not talking about 1v1.

It is not so bad if it is just 1 scrapper or rev on team but due to how strong this classes are atm they are quite popular so i see a lot of revs and scrappers on same team together and it actually becomes quite a nightmare.

Cynz.9437:

Either remove it or give it 2 min CD. Stop gold spooning engis and revs. People who wanted to buy HoT already bought xpac, no need for moronic imbalance for the sake of sales anymore.

no sympathy for thief, just got buffs and wants more, freaking pathetic.

Rome.7124:

Cynz.9437:

Either remove it or give it 2 min CD. Stop gold spooning engis and revs. People who wanted to buy HoT already bought xpac, no need for moronic imbalance for the sake of sales anymore.

no sympathy for thief, just got buffs and wants more, freaking pathetic.

No thief asked for AA buffs….. and none of them really solved thief issues.

Mesmer player eh? Why am i not surprised.

Cynz.9437:

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD?

A thief can do that.

The thief’s Daze/stuns can lock out almost all of engi’s toolbelt skills in addition to all weapon skills and some utility skills.

runeblade.7514:

Cynz.9437:

If we go by that logic, why can’t thief lock engi from half of their mechanics for 6 sec on 20 sec CD?

A thief can do that.

The thief’s Daze/stuns can lock out almost all of engi’s toolbelt skills in addition to all weapon skills and some utility skills.

for 6 sec w/o ways to cleanse it? ssssureee

Sure, as long as steal gets a 1/4 sec cast time.

warherox.7943:

Sure, as long as steal gets a 1/4 sec cast time.

sure, if thief gets same base HP as engi~