Guild Wars 2

We have a new thread here please let this one die.

S:
+ Mesmer, Engineer
= Thief
A:
+ Ranger and Necro
= Elementarist and Guardian
B:
- Warrior

JETWING.2759:

S:
+ Mesmer, Engineer
= Thief
A:
+ Ranger and Necro
= Elementarist and Guardian
B:
- Warrior

LOL warrior in last place. It’s like I travelled back in time.

It’s about time this thread was bought back to see your opinions post patch.

From a Tpvp standpoint.

S :
+ Thief
= Warrior, Engineer.
A :
+Guardian,
= Ele,
= Necro.
B :
= Mesmer,
- Ranger.

Couple Posts up BurrTheKing mentioned a newer thread where he’ll update the original post to keep it up to date. Don’t know if he plans to still do that though.

Regarding the topic, I feel S should be reserved for cases where the class is clearly overpowered. A lot of the outliers have been toned down this patch, and my personal stand point would be adjusted like so:

S:
-Thief

A:
+Warrior
+Ele
=Guardian
-Engi
-Necro

B:
= Ranger
+/- Mesmer

Something kind of interesting has happened with this meta. Rather than primarily playing for two points, there has been a shift in strategy towards allowing a point to be lost and grabbing the other point. Therefore classes with higher mobility to rotate are performing better. In this regards thief, warrior and ele are doing really well. Team fights are still fairly important, and so guardians necros and engis still have a roll, as they can apply a lot of aoe pressure (necros /engis) or relief(guardian). Rangers and Mesmers are in a bit of a weird spot, as a lot of their pressure is usually directed at a single target. Rangers generally have more mobility though, while mesmers have a few niche uses on some maps.

• S:
  Warrior
  Elementalist
  Thief

• A:
  =Guardian
  =Mesmer
  -Necro
  -Engineer

• B
  -Ranger

Y’all should put the spec/specs that you feel are in the profession to the tier you have it listed under.

For example, I’d say S/D Thief is S tier, while D/P is A tier

Top Tier
Warrior
Thief
Necro
Guardian
Elementalist
Engineer
Peasant Tier
Mesmer
Ranger

-S Tier:
+Hambow, S/S Lbow, banner bunker warrior.
+Turret Engi- like hambow warrior too much damage while being too tanky
=S/D thief-Larcenous strike hits too hard while stealing boons… Damage needs toned down.
= D/D celestial ele. While super annoying it can be killed. Their OPness has more to do with rune of strength than anything.

-A Tier:
+Bunker Guardian-being held back mainly by warrior.
+=MM necro can be moved up its one of the best afk specs in the game.
=Engineer-any other build but turret is in this tier
-Power/condi necro both specs are hanging on by a thread

:( Tier:
Mesmer-everyone does everything better than mesmer anet needs to stop nerfing this class into garbage
Ranger-Its either really OP like the old spirit build or completely useless like power ranger.

This is my view of the matter at hand. In doing this, I’m taking into account:
_1v1 capabilities (how many spec can a single spec fight without losing a point?)
_teamfight capabilities (how is this spec valued in a teamfight?)
_team utility (mobility, stealths, rezzing)

S tiers are specs that are currently over-performing mostly because there are close to no counters (or the counters are not enough viable to be considered worth using).
A tiers are specs that are overall balanced considered the whole meta. A+ are a bit over the top but can have a solid counter in every game. A- are really good specs that could get a small hand getting completely balanced.
B+ are specs that are worthwhile using because they can be extremely good in something but their weaknesses are too big to really fit in “any” composition.
B- are niche specs that could work if properly played and against certain enemies, but which have too many counters in a lot of fights.

S tier:
+S/D Trickery/Acro Thief
-D/D Celestial Ele

A tier:
+Hambow
=Bunker Guardian
-D/P Trickery Thief
-Condi Engi

B Tier:
+Condi Necro
+Spirit Ranger
+Condi Warrior
+Shatter Mesmer
+Staff Ele
+DPS Guardian
-Turret Engi
-Trap Ranger
-Power Necro
-S/D Ele
-MM Necro

C Tier:
=Zerk Ranger
=Condi Mesmer
=SA thief

List is based off of organized teamQ games. SoloQ is a different story because some specs OWN when a team can’t coordinate to exploit weaknesses.

S Tier (pretty much required on EVERY team, no viable replacements)
= Non-SA thieves (S/X generally better than D/P, but still need one)
= Bunker Guardian

A Tier (on-par role-players, have alternatives)
+ Staff Cleric/Celes ele
+ Strength rune Warrior
= Condi-aids warrior
= Condi Engie
= Celestial strength-rune engie
= Condi necro
= D/D strength-rune ele
= Shatter Mesmer (caveat: need thief to protect)
- Spirit Ranger
- Power Necro

B Tier (good specs, but have some major hole so you can’t justify over A-spec)
+ Trap Ranger
+ Turret Engie
+ DPS Guard
+ S/D Ele
+ Glass staff ele
= MM Necro
= PU Power Mesmer
= Zerker Ranger
= Condi thief
- Burning Guardian
- Killshot/Bulls Charge Warrior
- Static Discharge Engie

C Tier: (just bad in conquest)
+ SA Thief
+ PU Mesmer

We really should have had a new thread for this. It’s been 8 months.

Also mesmers do not need a buff you sillies :!>:F

Vael Victus.2654:

We really should have had a new thread for this. It’s been 8 months.

Also mesmers do not need a buff you sillies :!>:F

Mesmers are in need of a huge buff.

mesmers are easily the worst class in pvp

Kinda only have portal going for us. If you try to play anything other than PU you just die 2 quickly and if you play PU you can win a fight after an hour but you’ve already been decapped and they can just leave at anypoint. WTB power mesmer buffies

Yh, mesmer is weak in the new meta because of the s/d thieves. If they wouldn’t have been there, mesmer was in a nice spot.

I can bring back my thread if you guys want so that I can actually update it. Perhaps we can set up some sort of poll or something. Is there any free program that would allow users to order the classes?